Can the Shape Water Cantrip be used to manipulate blood?
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As you can manipulate water within a 5 ft cube and most medium sized creatures can fit in that size space, can I manipulate their blood? I'd figured you could move the blood just the same as water and move the blood out of a creatures wounds, effectively making them die from blood loss. As well as being able to freeze the blood.
Shape water states,
You freeze the water, provided that there are no creatures in it.
As the blood is in the creature not the other way around, I figured it would work. But I wanted some other opinions to make sure my idea was plausible.
Can you could use Shape Water in such a way?
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As you can manipulate water within a 5 ft cube and most medium sized creatures can fit in that size space, can I manipulate their blood? I'd figured you could move the blood just the same as water and move the blood out of a creatures wounds, effectively making them die from blood loss. As well as being able to freeze the blood.
Shape water states,
You freeze the water, provided that there are no creatures in it.
As the blood is in the creature not the other way around, I figured it would work. But I wanted some other opinions to make sure my idea was plausible.
Can you could use Shape Water in such a way?
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As you can manipulate water within a 5 ft cube and most medium sized creatures can fit in that size space, can I manipulate their blood? I'd figured you could move the blood just the same as water and move the blood out of a creatures wounds, effectively making them die from blood loss. As well as being able to freeze the blood.
Shape water states,
You freeze the water, provided that there are no creatures in it.
As the blood is in the creature not the other way around, I figured it would work. But I wanted some other opinions to make sure my idea was plausible.
Can you could use Shape Water in such a way?
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As you can manipulate water within a 5 ft cube and most medium sized creatures can fit in that size space, can I manipulate their blood? I'd figured you could move the blood just the same as water and move the blood out of a creatures wounds, effectively making them die from blood loss. As well as being able to freeze the blood.
Shape water states,
You freeze the water, provided that there are no creatures in it.
As the blood is in the creature not the other way around, I figured it would work. But I wanted some other opinions to make sure my idea was plausible.
Can you could use Shape Water in such a way?
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No, this will not work RAW*
It's not water
Shape Water specifically states it only works with water (emphasis mine):
You choose an area of water that you can see within range and that fits within a 5-foot cube.
Had they wanted it to work with any other liquid, it wouldn't have used the term "water". Things that contain water are not the same thing, this is just about shaping water.
And you can't see it
In addition, there is the sight requirement. Blood in the body is not generally visible. Blood outside the body, but even if you allowed shaping that, it won't generally cause much harm (the harm's already been done). But that's also up to the DM as to what injuries are visible.
Either way, blood isn't water (isn't it thicker?) and you can't see it so shape water won't be able to be used with blood.
*There also aren't any rules regarding Creative Use of Spells, but it's very much going to be up to your DM if they do want to allow this. But I doubt a DM would be willing to give a cantrip the power level this might be.
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To add on, WotC have stated that spells involving water, such as create and destroy water, don't work on people
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@PeregrineLennert Do you have a source for that? I'm generally trying to avoid tweets to support my answers, but if they've done an errata or a printed sage advice, I'd be more amenable :)
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Wouldn't that mean that the spell works on the water in the blood, leaving behind the non-water bits of blood?
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@vicky_molokh: You're overthinking it. Or, rather, thinking too scientifically. A laudable talent in the real world, but not for a game with specific set of rules. As far as spells go (and all the rules, really), they need to be taken "as is", otherwise you risk rather a lot of rules-abuse! So here: water=water, blood=blood, water≠blood.
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@NautArch Nice revision, +1 already in the box. (chortle)
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The spell specifically refers to water and does not mention any other liquid. Blood is mostly water, yes, but blood is not water. With that sort of leeway (particularly on a cantrip) you could end up with some truly terrifying power. This would enable you to manipulate most living things in the environment. I do not think that this is what is intended with this spell.
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No, this will not work RAW*
It's not water
Shape Water specifically states it only works with water (emphasis mine):
You choose an area of water that you can see within range and that fits within a 5-foot cube.
Had they wanted it to work with any other liquid, it wouldn't have used the term "water". Things that contain water are not the same thing, this is just about shaping water.
And you can't see it
In addition, there is the sight requirement. Blood in the body is not generally visible. Blood outside the body, but even if you allowed shaping that, it won't generally cause much harm (the harm's already been done). But that's also up to the DM as to what injuries are visible.
Either way, blood isn't water (isn't it thicker?) and you can't see it so shape water won't be able to be used with blood.
*There also aren't any rules regarding Creative Use of Spells, but it's very much going to be up to your DM if they do want to allow this. But I doubt a DM would be willing to give a cantrip the power level this might be.
answered 11 hours ago
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To add on, WotC have stated that spells involving water, such as create and destroy water, don't work on people
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– Peregrine Lennert
11 hours ago
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@PeregrineLennert Do you have a source for that? I'm generally trying to avoid tweets to support my answers, but if they've done an errata or a printed sage advice, I'd be more amenable :)
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Wouldn't that mean that the spell works on the water in the blood, leaving behind the non-water bits of blood?
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@vicky_molokh: You're overthinking it. Or, rather, thinking too scientifically. A laudable talent in the real world, but not for a game with specific set of rules. As far as spells go (and all the rules, really), they need to be taken "as is", otherwise you risk rather a lot of rules-abuse! So here: water=water, blood=blood, water≠blood.
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@NautArch Nice revision, +1 already in the box. (chortle)
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No, this will not work RAW*
It's not water
Shape Water specifically states it only works with water (emphasis mine):
You choose an area of water that you can see within range and that fits within a 5-foot cube.
Had they wanted it to work with any other liquid, it wouldn't have used the term "water". Things that contain water are not the same thing, this is just about shaping water.
And you can't see it
In addition, there is the sight requirement. Blood in the body is not generally visible. Blood outside the body, but even if you allowed shaping that, it won't generally cause much harm (the harm's already been done). But that's also up to the DM as to what injuries are visible.
Either way, blood isn't water (isn't it thicker?) and you can't see it so shape water won't be able to be used with blood.
*There also aren't any rules regarding Creative Use of Spells, but it's very much going to be up to your DM if they do want to allow this. But I doubt a DM would be willing to give a cantrip the power level this might be.
answered 11 hours ago
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To add on, WotC have stated that spells involving water, such as create and destroy water, don't work on people
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– Peregrine Lennert
11 hours ago
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@PeregrineLennert Do you have a source for that? I'm generally trying to avoid tweets to support my answers, but if they've done an errata or a printed sage advice, I'd be more amenable :)
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– NautArch
11 hours ago
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Wouldn't that mean that the spell works on the water in the blood, leaving behind the non-water bits of blood?
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– vicky_molokh
10 hours ago
5
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@vicky_molokh: You're overthinking it. Or, rather, thinking too scientifically. A laudable talent in the real world, but not for a game with specific set of rules. As far as spells go (and all the rules, really), they need to be taken "as is", otherwise you risk rather a lot of rules-abuse! So here: water=water, blood=blood, water≠blood.
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– PJRZ
10 hours ago
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@NautArch Nice revision, +1 already in the box. (chortle)
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No, this will not work RAW*
It's not water
Shape Water specifically states it only works with water (emphasis mine):
You choose an area of water that you can see within range and that fits within a 5-foot cube.
Had they wanted it to work with any other liquid, it wouldn't have used the term "water". Things that contain water are not the same thing, this is just about shaping water.
And you can't see it
In addition, there is the sight requirement. Blood in the body is not generally visible. Blood outside the body, but even if you allowed shaping that, it won't generally cause much harm (the harm's already been done). But that's also up to the DM as to what injuries are visible.
Either way, blood isn't water (isn't it thicker?) and you can't see it so shape water won't be able to be used with blood.
*There also aren't any rules regarding Creative Use of Spells, but it's very much going to be up to your DM if they do want to allow this. But I doubt a DM would be willing to give a cantrip the power level this might be.
answered 11 hours ago
NautArchNautArch
58.6k8210391
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No, this will not work RAW*
It's not water
Shape Water specifically states it only works with water (emphasis mine):
You choose an area of water that you can see within range and that fits within a 5-foot cube.
Had they wanted it to work with any other liquid, it wouldn't have used the term "water". Things that contain water are not the same thing, this is just about shaping water.
And you can't see it
In addition, there is the sight requirement. Blood in the body is not generally visible. Blood outside the body, but even if you allowed shaping that, it won't generally cause much harm (the harm's already been done). But that's also up to the DM as to what injuries are visible.
Either way, blood isn't water (isn't it thicker?) and you can't see it so shape water won't be able to be used with blood.
*There also aren't any rules regarding Creative Use of Spells, but it's very much going to be up to your DM if they do want to allow this. But I doubt a DM would be willing to give a cantrip the power level this might be.
answered 11 hours ago
NautArchNautArch
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To add on, WotC have stated that spells involving water, such as create and destroy water, don't work on people
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– Peregrine Lennert
11 hours ago
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@PeregrineLennert Do you have a source for that? I'm generally trying to avoid tweets to support my answers, but if they've done an errata or a printed sage advice, I'd be more amenable :)
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– NautArch
11 hours ago
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Wouldn't that mean that the spell works on the water in the blood, leaving behind the non-water bits of blood?
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– vicky_molokh
10 hours ago
5
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@vicky_molokh: You're overthinking it. Or, rather, thinking too scientifically. A laudable talent in the real world, but not for a game with specific set of rules. As far as spells go (and all the rules, really), they need to be taken "as is", otherwise you risk rather a lot of rules-abuse! So here: water=water, blood=blood, water≠blood.
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– PJRZ
10 hours ago
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@NautArch Nice revision, +1 already in the box. (chortle)
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– KorvinStarmast
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show 2 more comments
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To add on, WotC have stated that spells involving water, such as create and destroy water, don't work on people
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– Peregrine Lennert
11 hours ago
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@PeregrineLennert Do you have a source for that? I'm generally trying to avoid tweets to support my answers, but if they've done an errata or a printed sage advice, I'd be more amenable :)
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– NautArch
11 hours ago
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Wouldn't that mean that the spell works on the water in the blood, leaving behind the non-water bits of blood?
$endgroup$
– vicky_molokh
10 hours ago
5
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@vicky_molokh: You're overthinking it. Or, rather, thinking too scientifically. A laudable talent in the real world, but not for a game with specific set of rules. As far as spells go (and all the rules, really), they need to be taken "as is", otherwise you risk rather a lot of rules-abuse! So here: water=water, blood=blood, water≠blood.
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– PJRZ
10 hours ago
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@NautArch Nice revision, +1 already in the box. (chortle)
$endgroup$
– KorvinStarmast
10 hours ago
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To add on, WotC have stated that spells involving water, such as create and destroy water, don't work on people
$endgroup$
– Peregrine Lennert
11 hours ago
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To add on, WotC have stated that spells involving water, such as create and destroy water, don't work on people
$endgroup$
– Peregrine Lennert
11 hours ago
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@PeregrineLennert Do you have a source for that? I'm generally trying to avoid tweets to support my answers, but if they've done an errata or a printed sage advice, I'd be more amenable :)
$endgroup$
– NautArch
11 hours ago
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@PeregrineLennert Do you have a source for that? I'm generally trying to avoid tweets to support my answers, but if they've done an errata or a printed sage advice, I'd be more amenable :)
$endgroup$
– NautArch
11 hours ago
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Wouldn't that mean that the spell works on the water in the blood, leaving behind the non-water bits of blood?
$endgroup$
– vicky_molokh
10 hours ago
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Wouldn't that mean that the spell works on the water in the blood, leaving behind the non-water bits of blood?
$endgroup$
– vicky_molokh
10 hours ago
5
5
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@vicky_molokh: You're overthinking it. Or, rather, thinking too scientifically. A laudable talent in the real world, but not for a game with specific set of rules. As far as spells go (and all the rules, really), they need to be taken "as is", otherwise you risk rather a lot of rules-abuse! So here: water=water, blood=blood, water≠blood.
$endgroup$
– PJRZ
10 hours ago
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@vicky_molokh: You're overthinking it. Or, rather, thinking too scientifically. A laudable talent in the real world, but not for a game with specific set of rules. As far as spells go (and all the rules, really), they need to be taken "as is", otherwise you risk rather a lot of rules-abuse! So here: water=water, blood=blood, water≠blood.
$endgroup$
– PJRZ
10 hours ago
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@NautArch Nice revision, +1 already in the box. (chortle)
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– KorvinStarmast
10 hours ago
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@NautArch Nice revision, +1 already in the box. (chortle)
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The spell specifically refers to water and does not mention any other liquid. Blood is mostly water, yes, but blood is not water. With that sort of leeway (particularly on a cantrip) you could end up with some truly terrifying power. This would enable you to manipulate most living things in the environment. I do not think that this is what is intended with this spell.
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The spell specifically refers to water and does not mention any other liquid. Blood is mostly water, yes, but blood is not water. With that sort of leeway (particularly on a cantrip) you could end up with some truly terrifying power. This would enable you to manipulate most living things in the environment. I do not think that this is what is intended with this spell.
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The spell specifically refers to water and does not mention any other liquid. Blood is mostly water, yes, but blood is not water. With that sort of leeway (particularly on a cantrip) you could end up with some truly terrifying power. This would enable you to manipulate most living things in the environment. I do not think that this is what is intended with this spell.
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The spell specifically refers to water and does not mention any other liquid. Blood is mostly water, yes, but blood is not water. With that sort of leeway (particularly on a cantrip) you could end up with some truly terrifying power. This would enable you to manipulate most living things in the environment. I do not think that this is what is intended with this spell.
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Related: How can one use the Shape Water cantrip offensively?
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– goodguy5
11 hours ago
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Welcome to rpg.se! Be sure to take the tour. Good first question!
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– Blake Steel
10 hours ago