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As far as I know, it isn't ethical to contaminate outer space with life from Earth, because then we will never be sure if life can actually grow there. However, I just read reports that the latest Chang'e-4 brings an entire ecosystem to the far side of the moon, with Arabidopsis plant seeds and even silkworms.



Is this okay? Even if it is contained within the machine and not spewed out? What danger is there of the plant material coming out of the machine and contaminating the moon?










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    What system of ethics?

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    It's effectively impossible to prove a negative; we will never be able to claim with 100% certainty that any celestial body is completely devoid of life. Does that make the prospect of stellar colonization an unethical venture from the get-go?

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    Space has dropped plenty of material on Earth; it's time we returned the favor.

    – Rob Crawford
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    "...because then we will never be sure if life can actually grow there." ... The moon, lacking atmosphere, shielding from cosmic radiation, and a number of other important factors for life, is almost certainly never going to be able to support it. If by some freak accident that changes, it almost certainly won't be for millions or billions of years. Why is disrupting a hypothetical future that probably won't happen and that we have very little chance of realistically disrupting an ethical concern? I can only respond to this with "wat."

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As far as I know, it isn't ethical to contaminate outer space with life from Earth, because then we will never be sure if life can actually grow there. However, I just read reports that the latest Chang'e-4 brings an entire ecosystem to the far side of the moon, with Arabidopsis plant seeds and even silkworms.



Is this okay? Even if it is contained within the machine and not spewed out? What danger is there of the plant material coming out of the machine and contaminating the moon?










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    What system of ethics?

    – Organic Marble
    14 hours ago






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    It's effectively impossible to prove a negative; we will never be able to claim with 100% certainty that any celestial body is completely devoid of life. Does that make the prospect of stellar colonization an unethical venture from the get-go?

    – Nuclear Wang
    11 hours ago






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    Space has dropped plenty of material on Earth; it's time we returned the favor.

    – Rob Crawford
    8 hours ago






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    "...because then we will never be sure if life can actually grow there." ... The moon, lacking atmosphere, shielding from cosmic radiation, and a number of other important factors for life, is almost certainly never going to be able to support it. If by some freak accident that changes, it almost certainly won't be for millions or billions of years. Why is disrupting a hypothetical future that probably won't happen and that we have very little chance of realistically disrupting an ethical concern? I can only respond to this with "wat."

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As far as I know, it isn't ethical to contaminate outer space with life from Earth, because then we will never be sure if life can actually grow there. However, I just read reports that the latest Chang'e-4 brings an entire ecosystem to the far side of the moon, with Arabidopsis plant seeds and even silkworms.



Is this okay? Even if it is contained within the machine and not spewed out? What danger is there of the plant material coming out of the machine and contaminating the moon?










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As far as I know, it isn't ethical to contaminate outer space with life from Earth, because then we will never be sure if life can actually grow there. However, I just read reports that the latest Chang'e-4 brings an entire ecosystem to the far side of the moon, with Arabidopsis plant seeds and even silkworms.



Is this okay? Even if it is contained within the machine and not spewed out? What danger is there of the plant material coming out of the machine and contaminating the moon?







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    What system of ethics?

    – Organic Marble
    14 hours ago






  • 6





    It's effectively impossible to prove a negative; we will never be able to claim with 100% certainty that any celestial body is completely devoid of life. Does that make the prospect of stellar colonization an unethical venture from the get-go?

    – Nuclear Wang
    11 hours ago






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    Space has dropped plenty of material on Earth; it's time we returned the favor.

    – Rob Crawford
    8 hours ago






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    "...because then we will never be sure if life can actually grow there." ... The moon, lacking atmosphere, shielding from cosmic radiation, and a number of other important factors for life, is almost certainly never going to be able to support it. If by some freak accident that changes, it almost certainly won't be for millions or billions of years. Why is disrupting a hypothetical future that probably won't happen and that we have very little chance of realistically disrupting an ethical concern? I can only respond to this with "wat."

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    7 hours ago
















  • 11





    What system of ethics?

    – Organic Marble
    14 hours ago






  • 6





    It's effectively impossible to prove a negative; we will never be able to claim with 100% certainty that any celestial body is completely devoid of life. Does that make the prospect of stellar colonization an unethical venture from the get-go?

    – Nuclear Wang
    11 hours ago






  • 5





    Space has dropped plenty of material on Earth; it's time we returned the favor.

    – Rob Crawford
    8 hours ago






  • 2





    "...because then we will never be sure if life can actually grow there." ... The moon, lacking atmosphere, shielding from cosmic radiation, and a number of other important factors for life, is almost certainly never going to be able to support it. If by some freak accident that changes, it almost certainly won't be for millions or billions of years. Why is disrupting a hypothetical future that probably won't happen and that we have very little chance of realistically disrupting an ethical concern? I can only respond to this with "wat."

    – jpmc26
    7 hours ago










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What system of ethics?

– Organic Marble
14 hours ago





What system of ethics?

– Organic Marble
14 hours ago




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It's effectively impossible to prove a negative; we will never be able to claim with 100% certainty that any celestial body is completely devoid of life. Does that make the prospect of stellar colonization an unethical venture from the get-go?

– Nuclear Wang
11 hours ago





It's effectively impossible to prove a negative; we will never be able to claim with 100% certainty that any celestial body is completely devoid of life. Does that make the prospect of stellar colonization an unethical venture from the get-go?

– Nuclear Wang
11 hours ago




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Space has dropped plenty of material on Earth; it's time we returned the favor.

– Rob Crawford
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Space has dropped plenty of material on Earth; it's time we returned the favor.

– Rob Crawford
8 hours ago




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"...because then we will never be sure if life can actually grow there." ... The moon, lacking atmosphere, shielding from cosmic radiation, and a number of other important factors for life, is almost certainly never going to be able to support it. If by some freak accident that changes, it almost certainly won't be for millions or billions of years. Why is disrupting a hypothetical future that probably won't happen and that we have very little chance of realistically disrupting an ethical concern? I can only respond to this with "wat."

– jpmc26
7 hours ago







"...because then we will never be sure if life can actually grow there." ... The moon, lacking atmosphere, shielding from cosmic radiation, and a number of other important factors for life, is almost certainly never going to be able to support it. If by some freak accident that changes, it almost certainly won't be for millions or billions of years. Why is disrupting a hypothetical future that probably won't happen and that we have very little chance of realistically disrupting an ethical concern? I can only respond to this with "wat."

– jpmc26
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tl;dr: There are "96 bags of poop, pee, and puke" on the Moon already!



The bags of waste are ecosystems for sure, but like the ones you mentioned, they are not going to remain alive for very long.



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From Gizmodo's There's Poop on the Moon:




There is, however, scientific value to the things left behind. Astrobiologists, for instance, hope to one day inspect that half-century-old feces to see if the crap has undergone any genetic mutations while in space. Even more mundane gear on the moon's surface offer a unique perspective on how different materials hold up in extreme environments like the moon, where temperatures oscillate between minus 370-degrees to 250-degrees Fahrenheit.



What kinds of mundane gear, you wonder? Well, there's actually an entire website devoted to trash on the moon. However, here's a list of the more interesting and unusual items—aside from the 96 bags of poop, pee, and puke:




  • More than 70 spacecraft

  • 5 American flags, all of which are now white

  • 12 pairs of boots

  • An olive branch sculpture made of gold:

  • "Several improvised javelins"

  • Used wet wipes

  • Space food wrappers

  • 2 golf balls

  • This gold-plated telescope that was the first tool used to make astronomical observations from the surface of another planetary body:

  • A feather from Baggin, the official mascot of Air Force Academy

  • A patch from the doomed Apollo 1 mission that never launched

  • This silicon disc with goodwill messages from 73 world leaders:

  • 12 Hasselbad cameras

  • This photograph of Astronaut Charlie Duke's family from Apollo 16:

  • Not to be repetitive or anything: 96 bags of poop, pee, and puke














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    5 flags and 12 Hasselblad cameras on the Moon, are these numbers correct? See How many Lunar Surface Hasselblad cameras were left on the Moon?.

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Humans have already been to the Moon, and pretty much verified it is completely sterile. It isn't really an issue bringing plants to the Moon, it couldn't contaminate anything, as there is nothing there it could really affect. Besides, anything complex couldn't survive in a vacuum, and there's been plenty of bacteria that have been on the Moon from the Apollo missions to previous landers.






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    I am not sure "pretty much verified it is completely sterile" is an accurate statement. Related Can the vacuum of space be used to sterilize equipment?. I believe there is also a post about how much moon dirt you need to to protect from radiation but not finding it. Realistically there could be an entire ecosystem thriving under the surface of the moon. Maybe not a high potential, but it can't be ruled out.

    – James Jenkins
    12 hours ago






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    @JamesJenkins according to this about half a meter of regolith is required. That aside, we’ve found precious little to indicate any possibility of life on the Moon. I suspect Titan would be a better candidate for extraterrestrial life.

    – Snoopy
    9 hours ago






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    With 9 sample return missions, if there is life on the Moon, it is hiding really well.

    – PearsonArtPhoto
    9 hours ago






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    Even the toughest Earth-derived bacteria can't do more than just sit there hoping that some water will eventually show up. The Moon is an incredibly hostile environment.

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    8 hours ago



















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According to Jainism and some forms of Buddhism, the concept of Ahisma tell us that it not ethical to bring an ecosystem of living creatures to an environment that will almost assuredly kill them as a result of you bringing them there.




Ahinsā (Ahinsā) in Jainism is a fundamental principle forming the cornerstone of its ethics and doctrine. The term ahinsa means nonviolence, non-injury and absence of desire to harm any life forms.... Furthermore, the Jains extend the concept of ahinsa not only to humans but to all animals, plants, micro-organisms and all beings having life or life potential. All life is sacred and everything has a right to live fearlessly to its maximum potential. Living beings need not fear those who have taken the vow of ahinsa.




Emphasis mine. Whoever decided to put those organisms on the vessel did so either knowing it would harm them, or if not, at least were not able to be sure that it wouldn't hamper the creatures' maximum potential.



From the article linked:




so it’s unclear whether plants and worms will grow normally with the moon’s meager 17 percent gravity.




To the Jainist belief system, that was an unethical action.






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    +1 for looking at the question in exactly the opposite direction to everyone else!

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  • So what? There are thousands of gods and religions on earth. Whatever you do is going to be considered unethical by at least one religion.

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tl;dr: There are "96 bags of poop, pee, and puke" on the Moon already!



The bags of waste are ecosystems for sure, but like the ones you mentioned, they are not going to remain alive for very long.



enter image description here



From Gizmodo's There's Poop on the Moon:




There is, however, scientific value to the things left behind. Astrobiologists, for instance, hope to one day inspect that half-century-old feces to see if the crap has undergone any genetic mutations while in space. Even more mundane gear on the moon's surface offer a unique perspective on how different materials hold up in extreme environments like the moon, where temperatures oscillate between minus 370-degrees to 250-degrees Fahrenheit.



What kinds of mundane gear, you wonder? Well, there's actually an entire website devoted to trash on the moon. However, here's a list of the more interesting and unusual items—aside from the 96 bags of poop, pee, and puke:




  • More than 70 spacecraft

  • 5 American flags, all of which are now white

  • 12 pairs of boots

  • An olive branch sculpture made of gold:

  • "Several improvised javelins"

  • Used wet wipes

  • Space food wrappers

  • 2 golf balls

  • This gold-plated telescope that was the first tool used to make astronomical observations from the surface of another planetary body:

  • A feather from Baggin, the official mascot of Air Force Academy

  • A patch from the doomed Apollo 1 mission that never launched

  • This silicon disc with goodwill messages from 73 world leaders:

  • 12 Hasselbad cameras

  • This photograph of Astronaut Charlie Duke's family from Apollo 16:

  • Not to be repetitive or anything: 96 bags of poop, pee, and puke














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    5 flags and 12 Hasselblad cameras on the Moon, are these numbers correct? See How many Lunar Surface Hasselblad cameras were left on the Moon?.

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    11 hours ago
















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tl;dr: There are "96 bags of poop, pee, and puke" on the Moon already!



The bags of waste are ecosystems for sure, but like the ones you mentioned, they are not going to remain alive for very long.



enter image description here



From Gizmodo's There's Poop on the Moon:




There is, however, scientific value to the things left behind. Astrobiologists, for instance, hope to one day inspect that half-century-old feces to see if the crap has undergone any genetic mutations while in space. Even more mundane gear on the moon's surface offer a unique perspective on how different materials hold up in extreme environments like the moon, where temperatures oscillate between minus 370-degrees to 250-degrees Fahrenheit.



What kinds of mundane gear, you wonder? Well, there's actually an entire website devoted to trash on the moon. However, here's a list of the more interesting and unusual items—aside from the 96 bags of poop, pee, and puke:




  • More than 70 spacecraft

  • 5 American flags, all of which are now white

  • 12 pairs of boots

  • An olive branch sculpture made of gold:

  • "Several improvised javelins"

  • Used wet wipes

  • Space food wrappers

  • 2 golf balls

  • This gold-plated telescope that was the first tool used to make astronomical observations from the surface of another planetary body:

  • A feather from Baggin, the official mascot of Air Force Academy

  • A patch from the doomed Apollo 1 mission that never launched

  • This silicon disc with goodwill messages from 73 world leaders:

  • 12 Hasselbad cameras

  • This photograph of Astronaut Charlie Duke's family from Apollo 16:

  • Not to be repetitive or anything: 96 bags of poop, pee, and puke














share|improve this answer





















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    5 flags and 12 Hasselblad cameras on the Moon, are these numbers correct? See How many Lunar Surface Hasselblad cameras were left on the Moon?.

    – Uwe
    11 hours ago














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tl;dr: There are "96 bags of poop, pee, and puke" on the Moon already!



The bags of waste are ecosystems for sure, but like the ones you mentioned, they are not going to remain alive for very long.



enter image description here



From Gizmodo's There's Poop on the Moon:




There is, however, scientific value to the things left behind. Astrobiologists, for instance, hope to one day inspect that half-century-old feces to see if the crap has undergone any genetic mutations while in space. Even more mundane gear on the moon's surface offer a unique perspective on how different materials hold up in extreme environments like the moon, where temperatures oscillate between minus 370-degrees to 250-degrees Fahrenheit.



What kinds of mundane gear, you wonder? Well, there's actually an entire website devoted to trash on the moon. However, here's a list of the more interesting and unusual items—aside from the 96 bags of poop, pee, and puke:




  • More than 70 spacecraft

  • 5 American flags, all of which are now white

  • 12 pairs of boots

  • An olive branch sculpture made of gold:

  • "Several improvised javelins"

  • Used wet wipes

  • Space food wrappers

  • 2 golf balls

  • This gold-plated telescope that was the first tool used to make astronomical observations from the surface of another planetary body:

  • A feather from Baggin, the official mascot of Air Force Academy

  • A patch from the doomed Apollo 1 mission that never launched

  • This silicon disc with goodwill messages from 73 world leaders:

  • 12 Hasselbad cameras

  • This photograph of Astronaut Charlie Duke's family from Apollo 16:

  • Not to be repetitive or anything: 96 bags of poop, pee, and puke














share|improve this answer















tl;dr: There are "96 bags of poop, pee, and puke" on the Moon already!



The bags of waste are ecosystems for sure, but like the ones you mentioned, they are not going to remain alive for very long.



enter image description here



From Gizmodo's There's Poop on the Moon:




There is, however, scientific value to the things left behind. Astrobiologists, for instance, hope to one day inspect that half-century-old feces to see if the crap has undergone any genetic mutations while in space. Even more mundane gear on the moon's surface offer a unique perspective on how different materials hold up in extreme environments like the moon, where temperatures oscillate between minus 370-degrees to 250-degrees Fahrenheit.



What kinds of mundane gear, you wonder? Well, there's actually an entire website devoted to trash on the moon. However, here's a list of the more interesting and unusual items—aside from the 96 bags of poop, pee, and puke:




  • More than 70 spacecraft

  • 5 American flags, all of which are now white

  • 12 pairs of boots

  • An olive branch sculpture made of gold:

  • "Several improvised javelins"

  • Used wet wipes

  • Space food wrappers

  • 2 golf balls

  • This gold-plated telescope that was the first tool used to make astronomical observations from the surface of another planetary body:

  • A feather from Baggin, the official mascot of Air Force Academy

  • A patch from the doomed Apollo 1 mission that never launched

  • This silicon disc with goodwill messages from 73 world leaders:

  • 12 Hasselbad cameras

  • This photograph of Astronaut Charlie Duke's family from Apollo 16:

  • Not to be repetitive or anything: 96 bags of poop, pee, and puke























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    5 flags and 12 Hasselblad cameras on the Moon, are these numbers correct? See How many Lunar Surface Hasselblad cameras were left on the Moon?.

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5 flags and 12 Hasselblad cameras on the Moon, are these numbers correct? See How many Lunar Surface Hasselblad cameras were left on the Moon?.

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5 flags and 12 Hasselblad cameras on the Moon, are these numbers correct? See How many Lunar Surface Hasselblad cameras were left on the Moon?.

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Humans have already been to the Moon, and pretty much verified it is completely sterile. It isn't really an issue bringing plants to the Moon, it couldn't contaminate anything, as there is nothing there it could really affect. Besides, anything complex couldn't survive in a vacuum, and there's been plenty of bacteria that have been on the Moon from the Apollo missions to previous landers.






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    I am not sure "pretty much verified it is completely sterile" is an accurate statement. Related Can the vacuum of space be used to sterilize equipment?. I believe there is also a post about how much moon dirt you need to to protect from radiation but not finding it. Realistically there could be an entire ecosystem thriving under the surface of the moon. Maybe not a high potential, but it can't be ruled out.

    – James Jenkins
    12 hours ago






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    @JamesJenkins according to this about half a meter of regolith is required. That aside, we’ve found precious little to indicate any possibility of life on the Moon. I suspect Titan would be a better candidate for extraterrestrial life.

    – Snoopy
    9 hours ago






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    With 9 sample return missions, if there is life on the Moon, it is hiding really well.

    – PearsonArtPhoto
    9 hours ago






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    Even the toughest Earth-derived bacteria can't do more than just sit there hoping that some water will eventually show up. The Moon is an incredibly hostile environment.

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Humans have already been to the Moon, and pretty much verified it is completely sterile. It isn't really an issue bringing plants to the Moon, it couldn't contaminate anything, as there is nothing there it could really affect. Besides, anything complex couldn't survive in a vacuum, and there's been plenty of bacteria that have been on the Moon from the Apollo missions to previous landers.






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    I am not sure "pretty much verified it is completely sterile" is an accurate statement. Related Can the vacuum of space be used to sterilize equipment?. I believe there is also a post about how much moon dirt you need to to protect from radiation but not finding it. Realistically there could be an entire ecosystem thriving under the surface of the moon. Maybe not a high potential, but it can't be ruled out.

    – James Jenkins
    12 hours ago






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    @JamesJenkins according to this about half a meter of regolith is required. That aside, we’ve found precious little to indicate any possibility of life on the Moon. I suspect Titan would be a better candidate for extraterrestrial life.

    – Snoopy
    9 hours ago






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    With 9 sample return missions, if there is life on the Moon, it is hiding really well.

    – PearsonArtPhoto
    9 hours ago






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    Even the toughest Earth-derived bacteria can't do more than just sit there hoping that some water will eventually show up. The Moon is an incredibly hostile environment.

    – Mark
    8 hours ago














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Humans have already been to the Moon, and pretty much verified it is completely sterile. It isn't really an issue bringing plants to the Moon, it couldn't contaminate anything, as there is nothing there it could really affect. Besides, anything complex couldn't survive in a vacuum, and there's been plenty of bacteria that have been on the Moon from the Apollo missions to previous landers.






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Humans have already been to the Moon, and pretty much verified it is completely sterile. It isn't really an issue bringing plants to the Moon, it couldn't contaminate anything, as there is nothing there it could really affect. Besides, anything complex couldn't survive in a vacuum, and there's been plenty of bacteria that have been on the Moon from the Apollo missions to previous landers.







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  • 3





    I am not sure "pretty much verified it is completely sterile" is an accurate statement. Related Can the vacuum of space be used to sterilize equipment?. I believe there is also a post about how much moon dirt you need to to protect from radiation but not finding it. Realistically there could be an entire ecosystem thriving under the surface of the moon. Maybe not a high potential, but it can't be ruled out.

    – James Jenkins
    12 hours ago






  • 2





    @JamesJenkins according to this about half a meter of regolith is required. That aside, we’ve found precious little to indicate any possibility of life on the Moon. I suspect Titan would be a better candidate for extraterrestrial life.

    – Snoopy
    9 hours ago






  • 3





    With 9 sample return missions, if there is life on the Moon, it is hiding really well.

    – PearsonArtPhoto
    9 hours ago






  • 1





    Even the toughest Earth-derived bacteria can't do more than just sit there hoping that some water will eventually show up. The Moon is an incredibly hostile environment.

    – Mark
    8 hours ago














  • 3





    I am not sure "pretty much verified it is completely sterile" is an accurate statement. Related Can the vacuum of space be used to sterilize equipment?. I believe there is also a post about how much moon dirt you need to to protect from radiation but not finding it. Realistically there could be an entire ecosystem thriving under the surface of the moon. Maybe not a high potential, but it can't be ruled out.

    – James Jenkins
    12 hours ago






  • 2





    @JamesJenkins according to this about half a meter of regolith is required. That aside, we’ve found precious little to indicate any possibility of life on the Moon. I suspect Titan would be a better candidate for extraterrestrial life.

    – Snoopy
    9 hours ago






  • 3





    With 9 sample return missions, if there is life on the Moon, it is hiding really well.

    – PearsonArtPhoto
    9 hours ago






  • 1





    Even the toughest Earth-derived bacteria can't do more than just sit there hoping that some water will eventually show up. The Moon is an incredibly hostile environment.

    – Mark
    8 hours ago








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I am not sure "pretty much verified it is completely sterile" is an accurate statement. Related Can the vacuum of space be used to sterilize equipment?. I believe there is also a post about how much moon dirt you need to to protect from radiation but not finding it. Realistically there could be an entire ecosystem thriving under the surface of the moon. Maybe not a high potential, but it can't be ruled out.

– James Jenkins
12 hours ago





I am not sure "pretty much verified it is completely sterile" is an accurate statement. Related Can the vacuum of space be used to sterilize equipment?. I believe there is also a post about how much moon dirt you need to to protect from radiation but not finding it. Realistically there could be an entire ecosystem thriving under the surface of the moon. Maybe not a high potential, but it can't be ruled out.

– James Jenkins
12 hours ago




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@JamesJenkins according to this about half a meter of regolith is required. That aside, we’ve found precious little to indicate any possibility of life on the Moon. I suspect Titan would be a better candidate for extraterrestrial life.

– Snoopy
9 hours ago





@JamesJenkins according to this about half a meter of regolith is required. That aside, we’ve found precious little to indicate any possibility of life on the Moon. I suspect Titan would be a better candidate for extraterrestrial life.

– Snoopy
9 hours ago




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With 9 sample return missions, if there is life on the Moon, it is hiding really well.

– PearsonArtPhoto
9 hours ago





With 9 sample return missions, if there is life on the Moon, it is hiding really well.

– PearsonArtPhoto
9 hours ago




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Even the toughest Earth-derived bacteria can't do more than just sit there hoping that some water will eventually show up. The Moon is an incredibly hostile environment.

– Mark
8 hours ago





Even the toughest Earth-derived bacteria can't do more than just sit there hoping that some water will eventually show up. The Moon is an incredibly hostile environment.

– Mark
8 hours ago











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According to Jainism and some forms of Buddhism, the concept of Ahisma tell us that it not ethical to bring an ecosystem of living creatures to an environment that will almost assuredly kill them as a result of you bringing them there.




Ahinsā (Ahinsā) in Jainism is a fundamental principle forming the cornerstone of its ethics and doctrine. The term ahinsa means nonviolence, non-injury and absence of desire to harm any life forms.... Furthermore, the Jains extend the concept of ahinsa not only to humans but to all animals, plants, micro-organisms and all beings having life or life potential. All life is sacred and everything has a right to live fearlessly to its maximum potential. Living beings need not fear those who have taken the vow of ahinsa.




Emphasis mine. Whoever decided to put those organisms on the vessel did so either knowing it would harm them, or if not, at least were not able to be sure that it wouldn't hamper the creatures' maximum potential.



From the article linked:




so it’s unclear whether plants and worms will grow normally with the moon’s meager 17 percent gravity.




To the Jainist belief system, that was an unethical action.






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According to Jainism and some forms of Buddhism, the concept of Ahisma tell us that it not ethical to bring an ecosystem of living creatures to an environment that will almost assuredly kill them as a result of you bringing them there.




Ahinsā (Ahinsā) in Jainism is a fundamental principle forming the cornerstone of its ethics and doctrine. The term ahinsa means nonviolence, non-injury and absence of desire to harm any life forms.... Furthermore, the Jains extend the concept of ahinsa not only to humans but to all animals, plants, micro-organisms and all beings having life or life potential. All life is sacred and everything has a right to live fearlessly to its maximum potential. Living beings need not fear those who have taken the vow of ahinsa.




Emphasis mine. Whoever decided to put those organisms on the vessel did so either knowing it would harm them, or if not, at least were not able to be sure that it wouldn't hamper the creatures' maximum potential.



From the article linked:




so it’s unclear whether plants and worms will grow normally with the moon’s meager 17 percent gravity.




To the Jainist belief system, that was an unethical action.






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    +1 for looking at the question in exactly the opposite direction to everyone else!

    – David Richerby
    7 hours ago











  • So what? There are thousands of gods and religions on earth. Whatever you do is going to be considered unethical by at least one religion.

    – Eric Duminil
    5 hours ago














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According to Jainism and some forms of Buddhism, the concept of Ahisma tell us that it not ethical to bring an ecosystem of living creatures to an environment that will almost assuredly kill them as a result of you bringing them there.




Ahinsā (Ahinsā) in Jainism is a fundamental principle forming the cornerstone of its ethics and doctrine. The term ahinsa means nonviolence, non-injury and absence of desire to harm any life forms.... Furthermore, the Jains extend the concept of ahinsa not only to humans but to all animals, plants, micro-organisms and all beings having life or life potential. All life is sacred and everything has a right to live fearlessly to its maximum potential. Living beings need not fear those who have taken the vow of ahinsa.




Emphasis mine. Whoever decided to put those organisms on the vessel did so either knowing it would harm them, or if not, at least were not able to be sure that it wouldn't hamper the creatures' maximum potential.



From the article linked:




so it’s unclear whether plants and worms will grow normally with the moon’s meager 17 percent gravity.




To the Jainist belief system, that was an unethical action.






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According to Jainism and some forms of Buddhism, the concept of Ahisma tell us that it not ethical to bring an ecosystem of living creatures to an environment that will almost assuredly kill them as a result of you bringing them there.




Ahinsā (Ahinsā) in Jainism is a fundamental principle forming the cornerstone of its ethics and doctrine. The term ahinsa means nonviolence, non-injury and absence of desire to harm any life forms.... Furthermore, the Jains extend the concept of ahinsa not only to humans but to all animals, plants, micro-organisms and all beings having life or life potential. All life is sacred and everything has a right to live fearlessly to its maximum potential. Living beings need not fear those who have taken the vow of ahinsa.




Emphasis mine. Whoever decided to put those organisms on the vessel did so either knowing it would harm them, or if not, at least were not able to be sure that it wouldn't hamper the creatures' maximum potential.



From the article linked:




so it’s unclear whether plants and worms will grow normally with the moon’s meager 17 percent gravity.




To the Jainist belief system, that was an unethical action.







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  • 1





    +1 for looking at the question in exactly the opposite direction to everyone else!

    – David Richerby
    7 hours ago











  • So what? There are thousands of gods and religions on earth. Whatever you do is going to be considered unethical by at least one religion.

    – Eric Duminil
    5 hours ago














  • 1





    +1 for looking at the question in exactly the opposite direction to everyone else!

    – David Richerby
    7 hours ago











  • So what? There are thousands of gods and religions on earth. Whatever you do is going to be considered unethical by at least one religion.

    – Eric Duminil
    5 hours ago








1




1





+1 for looking at the question in exactly the opposite direction to everyone else!

– David Richerby
7 hours ago





+1 for looking at the question in exactly the opposite direction to everyone else!

– David Richerby
7 hours ago













So what? There are thousands of gods and religions on earth. Whatever you do is going to be considered unethical by at least one religion.

– Eric Duminil
5 hours ago





So what? There are thousands of gods and religions on earth. Whatever you do is going to be considered unethical by at least one religion.

– Eric Duminil
5 hours ago



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