why is netbase removing some services?
I shared another query a while ago. @StephenKitt shared and I quote
there's no reason for it to recommend networking tools (considering
recommendations as defined in Debian Policy), and removing the
recommendation is safe because default installations still end up with
ifupdown installed. Cleaning such dependencies up will simplify
possible future switches to other default tools. -Stephen Kitt
Now while I can understand that, what is needed to know are possible replacements. For instance it has removed three services which are essential to me. I do understand that they will be installed as default but still -
services: removed ssh (22/udp).
services: removed http (80/udp), https (443/udp).
from /usr/share/doc/netbase
While we do hope that web server providers will make https a default offering either with tying up with multiple certificate providers at low-cost or something, as of now it's upto the site creator to do the way s/he wants to set up. Don't see that changing soon.
Similarly I don't know anything better than ssh ?
[$] ssh -v localhost
OpenSSH_7.3p1 Debian-5, OpenSSL 1.0.2j 26 Sep 2016
I am ok with the changes being proposed, just need to know what changes (if any) are going to become defaults so I can work that out.
debian
edited May 11 '17 at 5:38
Stephen Kitt
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asked Jan 9 '17 at 11:35
shirishshirish
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I shared another query a while ago. @StephenKitt shared and I quote
there's no reason for it to recommend networking tools (considering
recommendations as defined in Debian Policy), and removing the
recommendation is safe because default installations still end up with
ifupdown installed. Cleaning such dependencies up will simplify
possible future switches to other default tools. -Stephen Kitt
Now while I can understand that, what is needed to know are possible replacements. For instance it has removed three services which are essential to me. I do understand that they will be installed as default but still -
services: removed ssh (22/udp).
services: removed http (80/udp), https (443/udp).
from /usr/share/doc/netbase
While we do hope that web server providers will make https a default offering either with tying up with multiple certificate providers at low-cost or something, as of now it's upto the site creator to do the way s/he wants to set up. Don't see that changing soon.
Similarly I don't know anything better than ssh ?
[$] ssh -v localhost
OpenSSH_7.3p1 Debian-5, OpenSSL 1.0.2j 26 Sep 2016
I am ok with the changes being proposed, just need to know what changes (if any) are going to become defaults so I can work that out.
debian
edited May 11 '17 at 5:38
Stephen Kitt
171k24386462
asked Jan 9 '17 at 11:35
shirishshirish
3,81263185
This reads more like a rant. Would you be able to clarify the post?
– Rui F Ribeiro
Jan 9 '17 at 11:40
It is not a rant. It is trying to understand what changes could be coming which make the above services obsolete. Usually removal of services signal what the devs. are thinking about, so trying to get more insight on whatever proposed changes might be.
– shirish
Jan 9 '17 at 11:43
1
@AlexP the services weren't removed as dependencies (if only comments could be downvoted...), they were removed from/etc/services.
– Stephen Kitt
Jan 9 '17 at 12:28
add a comment |
I shared another query a while ago. @StephenKitt shared and I quote
there's no reason for it to recommend networking tools (considering
recommendations as defined in Debian Policy), and removing the
recommendation is safe because default installations still end up with
ifupdown installed. Cleaning such dependencies up will simplify
possible future switches to other default tools. -Stephen Kitt
Now while I can understand that, what is needed to know are possible replacements. For instance it has removed three services which are essential to me. I do understand that they will be installed as default but still -
services: removed ssh (22/udp).
services: removed http (80/udp), https (443/udp).
from /usr/share/doc/netbase
While we do hope that web server providers will make https a default offering either with tying up with multiple certificate providers at low-cost or something, as of now it's upto the site creator to do the way s/he wants to set up. Don't see that changing soon.
Similarly I don't know anything better than ssh ?
[$] ssh -v localhost
OpenSSH_7.3p1 Debian-5, OpenSSL 1.0.2j 26 Sep 2016
I am ok with the changes being proposed, just need to know what changes (if any) are going to become defaults so I can work that out.
debian
edited May 11 '17 at 5:38
Stephen Kitt
171k24386462
asked Jan 9 '17 at 11:35
shirishshirish
3,81263185
I shared another query a while ago. @StephenKitt shared and I quote
there's no reason for it to recommend networking tools (considering
recommendations as defined in Debian Policy), and removing the
recommendation is safe because default installations still end up with
ifupdown installed. Cleaning such dependencies up will simplify
possible future switches to other default tools. -Stephen Kitt
Now while I can understand that, what is needed to know are possible replacements. For instance it has removed three services which are essential to me. I do understand that they will be installed as default but still -
services: removed ssh (22/udp).
services: removed http (80/udp), https (443/udp).
from /usr/share/doc/netbase
While we do hope that web server providers will make https a default offering either with tying up with multiple certificate providers at low-cost or something, as of now it's upto the site creator to do the way s/he wants to set up. Don't see that changing soon.
Similarly I don't know anything better than ssh ?
[$] ssh -v localhost
OpenSSH_7.3p1 Debian-5, OpenSSL 1.0.2j 26 Sep 2016
I am ok with the changes being proposed, just need to know what changes (if any) are going to become defaults so I can work that out.
debian
debian
edited May 11 '17 at 5:38
Stephen Kitt
171k24386462
asked Jan 9 '17 at 11:35
shirishshirish
3,81263185
edited May 11 '17 at 5:38
Stephen Kitt
171k24386462
asked Jan 9 '17 at 11:35
shirishshirish
3,81263185
edited May 11 '17 at 5:38
Stephen Kitt
171k24386462
edited May 11 '17 at 5:38
Stephen Kitt
171k24386462
edited May 11 '17 at 5:38
Stephen Kitt
171k24386462
171k24386462
asked Jan 9 '17 at 11:35
shirishshirish
3,81263185
asked Jan 9 '17 at 11:35
shirishshirish
3,81263185
asked Jan 9 '17 at 11:35
shirishshirish
3,81263185
3,81263185
This reads more like a rant. Would you be able to clarify the post?
– Rui F Ribeiro
Jan 9 '17 at 11:40
It is not a rant. It is trying to understand what changes could be coming which make the above services obsolete. Usually removal of services signal what the devs. are thinking about, so trying to get more insight on whatever proposed changes might be.
– shirish
Jan 9 '17 at 11:43
1
@AlexP the services weren't removed as dependencies (if only comments could be downvoted...), they were removed from/etc/services.
– Stephen Kitt
Jan 9 '17 at 12:28
add a comment |
This reads more like a rant. Would you be able to clarify the post?
– Rui F Ribeiro
Jan 9 '17 at 11:40
It is not a rant. It is trying to understand what changes could be coming which make the above services obsolete. Usually removal of services signal what the devs. are thinking about, so trying to get more insight on whatever proposed changes might be.
– shirish
Jan 9 '17 at 11:43
1
@AlexP the services weren't removed as dependencies (if only comments could be downvoted...), they were removed from/etc/services.
– Stephen Kitt
Jan 9 '17 at 12:28
This reads more like a rant. Would you be able to clarify the post?
– Rui F Ribeiro
Jan 9 '17 at 11:40
This reads more like a rant. Would you be able to clarify the post?
– Rui F Ribeiro
Jan 9 '17 at 11:40
It is not a rant. It is trying to understand what changes could be coming which make the above services obsolete. Usually removal of services signal what the devs. are thinking about, so trying to get more insight on whatever proposed changes might be.
– shirish
Jan 9 '17 at 11:43
It is not a rant. It is trying to understand what changes could be coming which make the above services obsolete. Usually removal of services signal what the devs. are thinking about, so trying to get more insight on whatever proposed changes might be.
– shirish
Jan 9 '17 at 11:43
1
1
@AlexP the services weren't removed as dependencies (if only comments could be downvoted...), they were removed from
/etc/services.– Stephen Kitt
Jan 9 '17 at 12:28
@AlexP the services weren't removed as dependencies (if only comments could be downvoted...), they were removed from
/etc/services.– Stephen Kitt
Jan 9 '17 at 12:28
add a comment |
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The removals are only removals of service definitions from /etc/services. The definitions were removed because they were obsolete or unused:
SSH over UDP isn't used (this still leaves a service definition for SSH over TCP)
HTTP and HTTPS over UDP aren't used (leaving HTTP and HTTPS over TCP)
etc. (read the git log for details of all the changes).
This only affects short-hand service definitions, and even then only unused service definitions, nothing else. It doesn't affect dependencies, the availability of services (which are provided by other packages anyway), your ability to provide services, etc.
answered Jan 9 '17 at 12:27
Stephen KittStephen Kitt
171k24386462
thanx, that cleared lot of confusion in my mind.
– shirish
Jan 9 '17 at 12:41
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The removals are only removals of service definitions from /etc/services. The definitions were removed because they were obsolete or unused:
SSH over UDP isn't used (this still leaves a service definition for SSH over TCP)
HTTP and HTTPS over UDP aren't used (leaving HTTP and HTTPS over TCP)
etc. (read the git log for details of all the changes).
This only affects short-hand service definitions, and even then only unused service definitions, nothing else. It doesn't affect dependencies, the availability of services (which are provided by other packages anyway), your ability to provide services, etc.
answered Jan 9 '17 at 12:27
Stephen KittStephen Kitt
171k24386462
thanx, that cleared lot of confusion in my mind.
– shirish
Jan 9 '17 at 12:41
add a comment |
The removals are only removals of service definitions from /etc/services. The definitions were removed because they were obsolete or unused:
SSH over UDP isn't used (this still leaves a service definition for SSH over TCP)
HTTP and HTTPS over UDP aren't used (leaving HTTP and HTTPS over TCP)
etc. (read the git log for details of all the changes).
This only affects short-hand service definitions, and even then only unused service definitions, nothing else. It doesn't affect dependencies, the availability of services (which are provided by other packages anyway), your ability to provide services, etc.
answered Jan 9 '17 at 12:27
Stephen KittStephen Kitt
171k24386462
thanx, that cleared lot of confusion in my mind.
– shirish
Jan 9 '17 at 12:41
add a comment |
The removals are only removals of service definitions from /etc/services. The definitions were removed because they were obsolete or unused:
SSH over UDP isn't used (this still leaves a service definition for SSH over TCP)
HTTP and HTTPS over UDP aren't used (leaving HTTP and HTTPS over TCP)
etc. (read the git log for details of all the changes).
This only affects short-hand service definitions, and even then only unused service definitions, nothing else. It doesn't affect dependencies, the availability of services (which are provided by other packages anyway), your ability to provide services, etc.
answered Jan 9 '17 at 12:27
Stephen KittStephen Kitt
171k24386462
The removals are only removals of service definitions from /etc/services. The definitions were removed because they were obsolete or unused:
SSH over UDP isn't used (this still leaves a service definition for SSH over TCP)
HTTP and HTTPS over UDP aren't used (leaving HTTP and HTTPS over TCP)
etc. (read the git log for details of all the changes).
This only affects short-hand service definitions, and even then only unused service definitions, nothing else. It doesn't affect dependencies, the availability of services (which are provided by other packages anyway), your ability to provide services, etc.
answered Jan 9 '17 at 12:27
Stephen KittStephen Kitt
171k24386462
edited Jan 31 at 16:26
answered Jan 9 '17 at 12:27
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answered Jan 9 '17 at 12:27
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thanx, that cleared lot of confusion in my mind.
– shirish
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thanx, that cleared lot of confusion in my mind.
– shirish
Jan 9 '17 at 12:41
thanx, that cleared lot of confusion in my mind.
– shirish
Jan 9 '17 at 12:41
thanx, that cleared lot of confusion in my mind.
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This reads more like a rant. Would you be able to clarify the post?
– Rui F Ribeiro
Jan 9 '17 at 11:40
It is not a rant. It is trying to understand what changes could be coming which make the above services obsolete. Usually removal of services signal what the devs. are thinking about, so trying to get more insight on whatever proposed changes might be.
– shirish
Jan 9 '17 at 11:43
1
@AlexP the services weren't removed as dependencies (if only comments could be downvoted...), they were removed from
/etc/services.– Stephen Kitt
Jan 9 '17 at 12:28