How to interpret the phrase “t’en a fait voir à toi”?
Hé ! On dirait qu'Alina t’en a fait voir à toi aussi. Tiens, prends-ça s’il te plaît, c’est de ma part.
I just heard this in conversation. Given what we were talking about, I wonder if "de toutes les couleurs" is dropped here or I'm dealing with a completely different expression:
Hé ! On dirait qu'Alina t’en a fait voir (de toutes les couleurs) à toi aussi. Tiens, prends-ça s’il te plaît, c’est de ma part.
If I'm on the right track, is it common to leave the part "de toutes les couleurs" out like this?
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Hé ! On dirait qu'Alina t’en a fait voir à toi aussi. Tiens, prends-ça s’il te plaît, c’est de ma part.
I just heard this in conversation. Given what we were talking about, I wonder if "de toutes les couleurs" is dropped here or I'm dealing with a completely different expression:
Hé ! On dirait qu'Alina t’en a fait voir (de toutes les couleurs) à toi aussi. Tiens, prends-ça s’il te plaît, c’est de ma part.
If I'm on the right track, is it common to leave the part "de toutes les couleurs" out like this?
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Hé ! On dirait qu'Alina t’en a fait voir à toi aussi. Tiens, prends-ça s’il te plaît, c’est de ma part.
I just heard this in conversation. Given what we were talking about, I wonder if "de toutes les couleurs" is dropped here or I'm dealing with a completely different expression:
Hé ! On dirait qu'Alina t’en a fait voir (de toutes les couleurs) à toi aussi. Tiens, prends-ça s’il te plaît, c’est de ma part.
If I'm on the right track, is it common to leave the part "de toutes les couleurs" out like this?
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Hé ! On dirait qu'Alina t’en a fait voir à toi aussi. Tiens, prends-ça s’il te plaît, c’est de ma part.
I just heard this in conversation. Given what we were talking about, I wonder if "de toutes les couleurs" is dropped here or I'm dealing with a completely different expression:
Hé ! On dirait qu'Alina t’en a fait voir (de toutes les couleurs) à toi aussi. Tiens, prends-ça s’il te plaît, c’est de ma part.
If I'm on the right track, is it common to leave the part "de toutes les couleurs" out like this?
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Yes you are right, both looks correct and are perfectly understandable.
Hé ! On dirait qu'Alina t’en a fait voir à toi aussi. Tiens,
prends-ça s’il te plaît, c’est de ma part.
Is more a shortcut of:
Hé ! On dirait qu'Alina t’en a fait voir (de toutes les couleurs) à toi aussi. Tiens, prends-ça s’il te plaît, c’est de ma part.
As a definition of en voir de toutes les couleurs you have:
Subir, endurer diverses épreuves. Traduction anglais : She gave us a hard time !.
As an alternative, you also can use "Donner du fil à retordre"
Causer du souci à quelqu'un.
answered 12 hours ago
CedCed
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And the very similar en voir des vertes et des pas mûres too.
– jlliagre
12 hours ago
jlliagre was a bit faster than me :-)
– Laurent S.
12 hours ago
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En fait, c'est bien le même sens que "en faire voir de toutes les couleurs", mais ce n'est pas forcément parce que les "couleurs" ou les "vertes et les pas mûres" auraient été omises...
Il y a toute une famille d'expressions plus ou moins consacrées par l'usage, la plus simple étant "en faire voir", mais admettant aussi (cf. dictionnaire) :
En faire voir de belles
En faire voir de pires
En faire voir de joyeuses
En faire voir de drôles
Etc.
On peut imaginer plutôt (je ne sais pas si c'est étymologiquement correct mais aujourd'hui c'est à peu près la réalité) que l'expression "en faire voir" admette de se faire embellir par à peu près n'importe quel adjectif au goût de l'auteur.
La question reste ouverte de savoir ce à quoi "en" se réfère dans toutes ces expressions... tout au moins il doit s'agir d'un nom de genre féminin, mais à mon sens l'incertitude sur ce point fait partie du piquant de l'expression.
edited 9 hours ago
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You wrote "Given what we were talking about" so I guess you know about it but without clear context, we shouldn't rule out the fact the expression might have been genuine.
On dirait qu'Alina t’en a fait voir à toi aussi.
which might translate to something like:
It looks like Alina showed some of them to you too.
or
It looks like Alina also showed you some of them.
answered 10 hours ago
jlliagrejlliagre
65.6k244102
Well I disagree here "It looks like Alina showed some of them to you too." Isn't even correct english no matter the context.
– Ced
9 hours ago
(off-topic question about "à toi aussi") Whether meant literally or part of a figure of speech, I imagine that "à toi" is referring to the same "t'" in "t'en" in order to make it clear that Alina gave a hard time (or showed something) to more than one person (including the speaker). Would the "aussi" alone (without the "à toi") also mean this (albeit, less emphatically) or could "aussi" alone be ambiguous (especially if meant literally) (i.e., perhaps Alina showed more than one thing but not necessarily to more than one person)?
– Papa Poule
9 hours ago
@PapaPoule. Actually, if you omit the emphatic “à toi” (which you can), the sentence would more likely be understood literally. But you're right that it is useful to form a contrast with other people in that case too.
– Stéphane Gimenez♦
9 hours ago
@Ced I do not pretend being able to write correct English, but what is wrong with my translation attempt ? I have found I have seen some of those. Somebody showed some of them to me recently, and I don't know where they came from. The Legion Companion, Glen Cadigan
– jlliagre
9 hours ago
The part "showed some of them to you too" is super far from the original french sentence and meaning that the OP gave us. "Alina t’en a fait voir à toi aussi" could only be translated to "Alina gave you a hard time too"
– Ced
9 hours ago
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Yes you are right, both looks correct and are perfectly understandable.
Hé ! On dirait qu'Alina t’en a fait voir à toi aussi. Tiens,
prends-ça s’il te plaît, c’est de ma part.
Is more a shortcut of:
Hé ! On dirait qu'Alina t’en a fait voir (de toutes les couleurs) à toi aussi. Tiens, prends-ça s’il te plaît, c’est de ma part.
As a definition of en voir de toutes les couleurs you have:
Subir, endurer diverses épreuves. Traduction anglais : She gave us a hard time !.
As an alternative, you also can use "Donner du fil à retordre"
Causer du souci à quelqu'un.
answered 12 hours ago
CedCed
1,179119
2
And the very similar en voir des vertes et des pas mûres too.
– jlliagre
12 hours ago
jlliagre was a bit faster than me :-)
– Laurent S.
12 hours ago
add a comment |
Yes you are right, both looks correct and are perfectly understandable.
Hé ! On dirait qu'Alina t’en a fait voir à toi aussi. Tiens,
prends-ça s’il te plaît, c’est de ma part.
Is more a shortcut of:
Hé ! On dirait qu'Alina t’en a fait voir (de toutes les couleurs) à toi aussi. Tiens, prends-ça s’il te plaît, c’est de ma part.
As a definition of en voir de toutes les couleurs you have:
Subir, endurer diverses épreuves. Traduction anglais : She gave us a hard time !.
As an alternative, you also can use "Donner du fil à retordre"
Causer du souci à quelqu'un.
answered 12 hours ago
CedCed
1,179119
2
And the very similar en voir des vertes et des pas mûres too.
– jlliagre
12 hours ago
jlliagre was a bit faster than me :-)
– Laurent S.
12 hours ago
add a comment |
Yes you are right, both looks correct and are perfectly understandable.
Hé ! On dirait qu'Alina t’en a fait voir à toi aussi. Tiens,
prends-ça s’il te plaît, c’est de ma part.
Is more a shortcut of:
Hé ! On dirait qu'Alina t’en a fait voir (de toutes les couleurs) à toi aussi. Tiens, prends-ça s’il te plaît, c’est de ma part.
As a definition of en voir de toutes les couleurs you have:
Subir, endurer diverses épreuves. Traduction anglais : She gave us a hard time !.
As an alternative, you also can use "Donner du fil à retordre"
Causer du souci à quelqu'un.
answered 12 hours ago
CedCed
1,179119
Yes you are right, both looks correct and are perfectly understandable.
Hé ! On dirait qu'Alina t’en a fait voir à toi aussi. Tiens,
prends-ça s’il te plaît, c’est de ma part.
Is more a shortcut of:
Hé ! On dirait qu'Alina t’en a fait voir (de toutes les couleurs) à toi aussi. Tiens, prends-ça s’il te plaît, c’est de ma part.
As a definition of en voir de toutes les couleurs you have:
Subir, endurer diverses épreuves. Traduction anglais : She gave us a hard time !.
As an alternative, you also can use "Donner du fil à retordre"
Causer du souci à quelqu'un.
answered 12 hours ago
CedCed
1,179119
edited 9 hours ago
answered 12 hours ago
CedCed
1,179119
answered 12 hours ago
CedCed
1,179119
answered 12 hours ago
CedCed
1,179119
1,179119
2
And the very similar en voir des vertes et des pas mûres too.
– jlliagre
12 hours ago
jlliagre was a bit faster than me :-)
– Laurent S.
12 hours ago
add a comment |
2
And the very similar en voir des vertes et des pas mûres too.
– jlliagre
12 hours ago
jlliagre was a bit faster than me :-)
– Laurent S.
12 hours ago
2
2
And the very similar en voir des vertes et des pas mûres too.
– jlliagre
12 hours ago
And the very similar en voir des vertes et des pas mûres too.
– jlliagre
12 hours ago
jlliagre was a bit faster than me :-)
– Laurent S.
12 hours ago
jlliagre was a bit faster than me :-)
– Laurent S.
12 hours ago
add a comment |
En fait, c'est bien le même sens que "en faire voir de toutes les couleurs", mais ce n'est pas forcément parce que les "couleurs" ou les "vertes et les pas mûres" auraient été omises...
Il y a toute une famille d'expressions plus ou moins consacrées par l'usage, la plus simple étant "en faire voir", mais admettant aussi (cf. dictionnaire) :
En faire voir de belles
En faire voir de pires
En faire voir de joyeuses
En faire voir de drôles
Etc.
On peut imaginer plutôt (je ne sais pas si c'est étymologiquement correct mais aujourd'hui c'est à peu près la réalité) que l'expression "en faire voir" admette de se faire embellir par à peu près n'importe quel adjectif au goût de l'auteur.
La question reste ouverte de savoir ce à quoi "en" se réfère dans toutes ces expressions... tout au moins il doit s'agir d'un nom de genre féminin, mais à mon sens l'incertitude sur ce point fait partie du piquant de l'expression.
edited 9 hours ago
Stéphane Gimenez♦
25.5k1255129
answered 11 hours ago
qobaqoba
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add a comment |
En fait, c'est bien le même sens que "en faire voir de toutes les couleurs", mais ce n'est pas forcément parce que les "couleurs" ou les "vertes et les pas mûres" auraient été omises...
Il y a toute une famille d'expressions plus ou moins consacrées par l'usage, la plus simple étant "en faire voir", mais admettant aussi (cf. dictionnaire) :
En faire voir de belles
En faire voir de pires
En faire voir de joyeuses
En faire voir de drôles
Etc.
On peut imaginer plutôt (je ne sais pas si c'est étymologiquement correct mais aujourd'hui c'est à peu près la réalité) que l'expression "en faire voir" admette de se faire embellir par à peu près n'importe quel adjectif au goût de l'auteur.
La question reste ouverte de savoir ce à quoi "en" se réfère dans toutes ces expressions... tout au moins il doit s'agir d'un nom de genre féminin, mais à mon sens l'incertitude sur ce point fait partie du piquant de l'expression.
edited 9 hours ago
Stéphane Gimenez♦
25.5k1255129
answered 11 hours ago
qobaqoba
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add a comment |
En fait, c'est bien le même sens que "en faire voir de toutes les couleurs", mais ce n'est pas forcément parce que les "couleurs" ou les "vertes et les pas mûres" auraient été omises...
Il y a toute une famille d'expressions plus ou moins consacrées par l'usage, la plus simple étant "en faire voir", mais admettant aussi (cf. dictionnaire) :
En faire voir de belles
En faire voir de pires
En faire voir de joyeuses
En faire voir de drôles
Etc.
On peut imaginer plutôt (je ne sais pas si c'est étymologiquement correct mais aujourd'hui c'est à peu près la réalité) que l'expression "en faire voir" admette de se faire embellir par à peu près n'importe quel adjectif au goût de l'auteur.
La question reste ouverte de savoir ce à quoi "en" se réfère dans toutes ces expressions... tout au moins il doit s'agir d'un nom de genre féminin, mais à mon sens l'incertitude sur ce point fait partie du piquant de l'expression.
edited 9 hours ago
Stéphane Gimenez♦
25.5k1255129
answered 11 hours ago
qobaqoba
5,088516
En fait, c'est bien le même sens que "en faire voir de toutes les couleurs", mais ce n'est pas forcément parce que les "couleurs" ou les "vertes et les pas mûres" auraient été omises...
Il y a toute une famille d'expressions plus ou moins consacrées par l'usage, la plus simple étant "en faire voir", mais admettant aussi (cf. dictionnaire) :
En faire voir de belles
En faire voir de pires
En faire voir de joyeuses
En faire voir de drôles
Etc.
On peut imaginer plutôt (je ne sais pas si c'est étymologiquement correct mais aujourd'hui c'est à peu près la réalité) que l'expression "en faire voir" admette de se faire embellir par à peu près n'importe quel adjectif au goût de l'auteur.
La question reste ouverte de savoir ce à quoi "en" se réfère dans toutes ces expressions... tout au moins il doit s'agir d'un nom de genre féminin, mais à mon sens l'incertitude sur ce point fait partie du piquant de l'expression.
edited 9 hours ago
Stéphane Gimenez♦
25.5k1255129
answered 11 hours ago
qobaqoba
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edited 9 hours ago
Stéphane Gimenez♦
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edited 9 hours ago
Stéphane Gimenez♦
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answered 11 hours ago
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answered 11 hours ago
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answered 11 hours ago
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You wrote "Given what we were talking about" so I guess you know about it but without clear context, we shouldn't rule out the fact the expression might have been genuine.
On dirait qu'Alina t’en a fait voir à toi aussi.
which might translate to something like:
It looks like Alina showed some of them to you too.
or
It looks like Alina also showed you some of them.
answered 10 hours ago
jlliagrejlliagre
65.6k244102
Well I disagree here "It looks like Alina showed some of them to you too." Isn't even correct english no matter the context.
– Ced
9 hours ago
(off-topic question about "à toi aussi") Whether meant literally or part of a figure of speech, I imagine that "à toi" is referring to the same "t'" in "t'en" in order to make it clear that Alina gave a hard time (or showed something) to more than one person (including the speaker). Would the "aussi" alone (without the "à toi") also mean this (albeit, less emphatically) or could "aussi" alone be ambiguous (especially if meant literally) (i.e., perhaps Alina showed more than one thing but not necessarily to more than one person)?
– Papa Poule
9 hours ago
@PapaPoule. Actually, if you omit the emphatic “à toi” (which you can), the sentence would more likely be understood literally. But you're right that it is useful to form a contrast with other people in that case too.
– Stéphane Gimenez♦
9 hours ago
@Ced I do not pretend being able to write correct English, but what is wrong with my translation attempt ? I have found I have seen some of those. Somebody showed some of them to me recently, and I don't know where they came from. The Legion Companion, Glen Cadigan
– jlliagre
9 hours ago
The part "showed some of them to you too" is super far from the original french sentence and meaning that the OP gave us. "Alina t’en a fait voir à toi aussi" could only be translated to "Alina gave you a hard time too"
– Ced
9 hours ago
|
show 4 more comments
You wrote "Given what we were talking about" so I guess you know about it but without clear context, we shouldn't rule out the fact the expression might have been genuine.
On dirait qu'Alina t’en a fait voir à toi aussi.
which might translate to something like:
It looks like Alina showed some of them to you too.
or
It looks like Alina also showed you some of them.
answered 10 hours ago
jlliagrejlliagre
65.6k244102
Well I disagree here "It looks like Alina showed some of them to you too." Isn't even correct english no matter the context.
– Ced
9 hours ago
(off-topic question about "à toi aussi") Whether meant literally or part of a figure of speech, I imagine that "à toi" is referring to the same "t'" in "t'en" in order to make it clear that Alina gave a hard time (or showed something) to more than one person (including the speaker). Would the "aussi" alone (without the "à toi") also mean this (albeit, less emphatically) or could "aussi" alone be ambiguous (especially if meant literally) (i.e., perhaps Alina showed more than one thing but not necessarily to more than one person)?
– Papa Poule
9 hours ago
@PapaPoule. Actually, if you omit the emphatic “à toi” (which you can), the sentence would more likely be understood literally. But you're right that it is useful to form a contrast with other people in that case too.
– Stéphane Gimenez♦
9 hours ago
@Ced I do not pretend being able to write correct English, but what is wrong with my translation attempt ? I have found I have seen some of those. Somebody showed some of them to me recently, and I don't know where they came from. The Legion Companion, Glen Cadigan
– jlliagre
9 hours ago
The part "showed some of them to you too" is super far from the original french sentence and meaning that the OP gave us. "Alina t’en a fait voir à toi aussi" could only be translated to "Alina gave you a hard time too"
– Ced
9 hours ago
|
show 4 more comments
You wrote "Given what we were talking about" so I guess you know about it but without clear context, we shouldn't rule out the fact the expression might have been genuine.
On dirait qu'Alina t’en a fait voir à toi aussi.
which might translate to something like:
It looks like Alina showed some of them to you too.
or
It looks like Alina also showed you some of them.
answered 10 hours ago
jlliagrejlliagre
65.6k244102
You wrote "Given what we were talking about" so I guess you know about it but without clear context, we shouldn't rule out the fact the expression might have been genuine.
On dirait qu'Alina t’en a fait voir à toi aussi.
which might translate to something like:
It looks like Alina showed some of them to you too.
or
It looks like Alina also showed you some of them.
answered 10 hours ago
jlliagrejlliagre
65.6k244102
edited 8 hours ago
answered 10 hours ago
jlliagrejlliagre
65.6k244102
answered 10 hours ago
jlliagrejlliagre
65.6k244102
answered 10 hours ago
jlliagrejlliagre
65.6k244102
65.6k244102
Well I disagree here "It looks like Alina showed some of them to you too." Isn't even correct english no matter the context.
– Ced
9 hours ago
(off-topic question about "à toi aussi") Whether meant literally or part of a figure of speech, I imagine that "à toi" is referring to the same "t'" in "t'en" in order to make it clear that Alina gave a hard time (or showed something) to more than one person (including the speaker). Would the "aussi" alone (without the "à toi") also mean this (albeit, less emphatically) or could "aussi" alone be ambiguous (especially if meant literally) (i.e., perhaps Alina showed more than one thing but not necessarily to more than one person)?
– Papa Poule
9 hours ago
@PapaPoule. Actually, if you omit the emphatic “à toi” (which you can), the sentence would more likely be understood literally. But you're right that it is useful to form a contrast with other people in that case too.
– Stéphane Gimenez♦
9 hours ago
@Ced I do not pretend being able to write correct English, but what is wrong with my translation attempt ? I have found I have seen some of those. Somebody showed some of them to me recently, and I don't know where they came from. The Legion Companion, Glen Cadigan
– jlliagre
9 hours ago
The part "showed some of them to you too" is super far from the original french sentence and meaning that the OP gave us. "Alina t’en a fait voir à toi aussi" could only be translated to "Alina gave you a hard time too"
– Ced
9 hours ago
|
show 4 more comments
Well I disagree here "It looks like Alina showed some of them to you too." Isn't even correct english no matter the context.
– Ced
9 hours ago
(off-topic question about "à toi aussi") Whether meant literally or part of a figure of speech, I imagine that "à toi" is referring to the same "t'" in "t'en" in order to make it clear that Alina gave a hard time (or showed something) to more than one person (including the speaker). Would the "aussi" alone (without the "à toi") also mean this (albeit, less emphatically) or could "aussi" alone be ambiguous (especially if meant literally) (i.e., perhaps Alina showed more than one thing but not necessarily to more than one person)?
– Papa Poule
9 hours ago
@PapaPoule. Actually, if you omit the emphatic “à toi” (which you can), the sentence would more likely be understood literally. But you're right that it is useful to form a contrast with other people in that case too.
– Stéphane Gimenez♦
9 hours ago
@Ced I do not pretend being able to write correct English, but what is wrong with my translation attempt ? I have found I have seen some of those. Somebody showed some of them to me recently, and I don't know where they came from. The Legion Companion, Glen Cadigan
– jlliagre
9 hours ago
The part "showed some of them to you too" is super far from the original french sentence and meaning that the OP gave us. "Alina t’en a fait voir à toi aussi" could only be translated to "Alina gave you a hard time too"
– Ced
9 hours ago
Well I disagree here "It looks like Alina showed some of them to you too." Isn't even correct english no matter the context.
– Ced
9 hours ago
Well I disagree here "It looks like Alina showed some of them to you too." Isn't even correct english no matter the context.
– Ced
9 hours ago
(off-topic question about "à toi aussi") Whether meant literally or part of a figure of speech, I imagine that "à toi" is referring to the same "t'" in "t'en" in order to make it clear that Alina gave a hard time (or showed something) to more than one person (including the speaker). Would the "aussi" alone (without the "à toi") also mean this (albeit, less emphatically) or could "aussi" alone be ambiguous (especially if meant literally) (i.e., perhaps Alina showed more than one thing but not necessarily to more than one person)?
– Papa Poule
9 hours ago
(off-topic question about "à toi aussi") Whether meant literally or part of a figure of speech, I imagine that "à toi" is referring to the same "t'" in "t'en" in order to make it clear that Alina gave a hard time (or showed something) to more than one person (including the speaker). Would the "aussi" alone (without the "à toi") also mean this (albeit, less emphatically) or could "aussi" alone be ambiguous (especially if meant literally) (i.e., perhaps Alina showed more than one thing but not necessarily to more than one person)?
– Papa Poule
9 hours ago
@PapaPoule. Actually, if you omit the emphatic “à toi” (which you can), the sentence would more likely be understood literally. But you're right that it is useful to form a contrast with other people in that case too.
– Stéphane Gimenez♦
9 hours ago
@PapaPoule. Actually, if you omit the emphatic “à toi” (which you can), the sentence would more likely be understood literally. But you're right that it is useful to form a contrast with other people in that case too.
– Stéphane Gimenez♦
9 hours ago
@Ced I do not pretend being able to write correct English, but what is wrong with my translation attempt ? I have found I have seen some of those. Somebody showed some of them to me recently, and I don't know where they came from. The Legion Companion, Glen Cadigan
– jlliagre
9 hours ago
@Ced I do not pretend being able to write correct English, but what is wrong with my translation attempt ? I have found I have seen some of those. Somebody showed some of them to me recently, and I don't know where they came from. The Legion Companion, Glen Cadigan
– jlliagre
9 hours ago
The part "showed some of them to you too" is super far from the original french sentence and meaning that the OP gave us. "Alina t’en a fait voir à toi aussi" could only be translated to "Alina gave you a hard time too"
– Ced
9 hours ago
The part "showed some of them to you too" is super far from the original french sentence and meaning that the OP gave us. "Alina t’en a fait voir à toi aussi" could only be translated to "Alina gave you a hard time too"
– Ced
9 hours ago
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