My boss asked me to take a one-day class, then signs it up as a day off
A while back, I had asked for 3 day off from work, 2 days before my vacation, my boss asked me whether I was interested in a one-day class during my vacation (3 days off). I agreed because the class was only given once every few months or I'd have to wait for the next one. I attended this class and it was a great informative class. this was around mid February.
Today, I saw that the day of the class was still listed as a day off, and when I asked my boss about it, he said that I was not at work so it counts as a day off.
Is this a common thing?
I work/live in the Netherlands and my field of work is IT.
By 'class' I mean a course/training session related to my work that my boss paid for. My boss offered it to me without me mentioning it beforehand.
I'm currently in my last week of work for this company, that's the reason I checked how many days off I have left and found out about this. We do not have a HR department since the company I work for is small (5-6 people).
About the trust being broken read this question about how that was shattered a while back.
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A while back, I had asked for 3 day off from work, 2 days before my vacation, my boss asked me whether I was interested in a one-day class during my vacation (3 days off). I agreed because the class was only given once every few months or I'd have to wait for the next one. I attended this class and it was a great informative class. this was around mid February.
Today, I saw that the day of the class was still listed as a day off, and when I asked my boss about it, he said that I was not at work so it counts as a day off.
Is this a common thing?
I work/live in the Netherlands and my field of work is IT.
By 'class' I mean a course/training session related to my work that my boss paid for. My boss offered it to me without me mentioning it beforehand.
I'm currently in my last week of work for this company, that's the reason I checked how many days off I have left and found out about this. We do not have a HR department since the company I work for is small (5-6 people).
About the trust being broken read this question about how that was shattered a while back.
time-off netherlands
asked 12 hours ago
darnokdarnok
1,106249
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So what happens if you decide not to go? If it's your day off, you should be able to do with it what you want.
– Keith
12 hours ago
2
Was your boss merely suggesting you might be interested in the course for yourself (completely voluntary) or is it a work related 'class' ? Who paid for the cost of the class ? If your employer paid for the training the you could argue it was for work, and therefore on work time. Unfortunately in a case like this it may be too late to do anything about it. If it ever happens again, check that it counts as work time beforehand - cancel the leave for that day in advance
– Smock
12 hours ago
1
@darnok Please clarify in the question that you attended this training before you gave notice. It reads like you are considering whether you should attend the training or not.
– thelem
10 hours ago
2
Why did not immediately notice this error back in February? You might have a hard time getting this corrected due to the amount of time that has passed, and the fact you are now leaving the company. You might want to take it upon yourself to verify your time card is correct in the future.
– Ramhound
9 hours ago
3
I don't know what is the system in Netherlands specifically but don't you have a form or any official documentation that you have to submit to your employer for taking time off, precisely for the documentation? This piece of information is missing. You said you asked for 3 days, but you don't say how many you were granted and took. There should be official paper trail for this. It's not common to go to work-related courses on free time, but it's also uncommon to forbid it. What's common is to follow official timesheets.
– luk32
9 hours ago
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A while back, I had asked for 3 day off from work, 2 days before my vacation, my boss asked me whether I was interested in a one-day class during my vacation (3 days off). I agreed because the class was only given once every few months or I'd have to wait for the next one. I attended this class and it was a great informative class. this was around mid February.
Today, I saw that the day of the class was still listed as a day off, and when I asked my boss about it, he said that I was not at work so it counts as a day off.
Is this a common thing?
I work/live in the Netherlands and my field of work is IT.
By 'class' I mean a course/training session related to my work that my boss paid for. My boss offered it to me without me mentioning it beforehand.
I'm currently in my last week of work for this company, that's the reason I checked how many days off I have left and found out about this. We do not have a HR department since the company I work for is small (5-6 people).
About the trust being broken read this question about how that was shattered a while back.
time-off netherlands
asked 12 hours ago
darnokdarnok
1,106249
A while back, I had asked for 3 day off from work, 2 days before my vacation, my boss asked me whether I was interested in a one-day class during my vacation (3 days off). I agreed because the class was only given once every few months or I'd have to wait for the next one. I attended this class and it was a great informative class. this was around mid February.
Today, I saw that the day of the class was still listed as a day off, and when I asked my boss about it, he said that I was not at work so it counts as a day off.
Is this a common thing?
I work/live in the Netherlands and my field of work is IT.
By 'class' I mean a course/training session related to my work that my boss paid for. My boss offered it to me without me mentioning it beforehand.
I'm currently in my last week of work for this company, that's the reason I checked how many days off I have left and found out about this. We do not have a HR department since the company I work for is small (5-6 people).
About the trust being broken read this question about how that was shattered a while back.
time-off netherlands
time-off netherlands
asked 12 hours ago
darnokdarnok
1,106249
asked 12 hours ago
darnokdarnok
1,106249
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darnok
asked 12 hours ago
darnokdarnok
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asked 12 hours ago
darnokdarnok
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asked 12 hours ago
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So what happens if you decide not to go? If it's your day off, you should be able to do with it what you want.
– Keith
12 hours ago
2
Was your boss merely suggesting you might be interested in the course for yourself (completely voluntary) or is it a work related 'class' ? Who paid for the cost of the class ? If your employer paid for the training the you could argue it was for work, and therefore on work time. Unfortunately in a case like this it may be too late to do anything about it. If it ever happens again, check that it counts as work time beforehand - cancel the leave for that day in advance
– Smock
12 hours ago
1
@darnok Please clarify in the question that you attended this training before you gave notice. It reads like you are considering whether you should attend the training or not.
– thelem
10 hours ago
2
Why did not immediately notice this error back in February? You might have a hard time getting this corrected due to the amount of time that has passed, and the fact you are now leaving the company. You might want to take it upon yourself to verify your time card is correct in the future.
– Ramhound
9 hours ago
3
I don't know what is the system in Netherlands specifically but don't you have a form or any official documentation that you have to submit to your employer for taking time off, precisely for the documentation? This piece of information is missing. You said you asked for 3 days, but you don't say how many you were granted and took. There should be official paper trail for this. It's not common to go to work-related courses on free time, but it's also uncommon to forbid it. What's common is to follow official timesheets.
– luk32
9 hours ago
|
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10
So what happens if you decide not to go? If it's your day off, you should be able to do with it what you want.
– Keith
12 hours ago
2
Was your boss merely suggesting you might be interested in the course for yourself (completely voluntary) or is it a work related 'class' ? Who paid for the cost of the class ? If your employer paid for the training the you could argue it was for work, and therefore on work time. Unfortunately in a case like this it may be too late to do anything about it. If it ever happens again, check that it counts as work time beforehand - cancel the leave for that day in advance
– Smock
12 hours ago
1
@darnok Please clarify in the question that you attended this training before you gave notice. It reads like you are considering whether you should attend the training or not.
– thelem
10 hours ago
2
Why did not immediately notice this error back in February? You might have a hard time getting this corrected due to the amount of time that has passed, and the fact you are now leaving the company. You might want to take it upon yourself to verify your time card is correct in the future.
– Ramhound
9 hours ago
3
I don't know what is the system in Netherlands specifically but don't you have a form or any official documentation that you have to submit to your employer for taking time off, precisely for the documentation? This piece of information is missing. You said you asked for 3 days, but you don't say how many you were granted and took. There should be official paper trail for this. It's not common to go to work-related courses on free time, but it's also uncommon to forbid it. What's common is to follow official timesheets.
– luk32
9 hours ago
10
10
So what happens if you decide not to go? If it's your day off, you should be able to do with it what you want.
– Keith
12 hours ago
So what happens if you decide not to go? If it's your day off, you should be able to do with it what you want.
– Keith
12 hours ago
2
2
Was your boss merely suggesting you might be interested in the course for yourself (completely voluntary) or is it a work related 'class' ? Who paid for the cost of the class ? If your employer paid for the training the you could argue it was for work, and therefore on work time. Unfortunately in a case like this it may be too late to do anything about it. If it ever happens again, check that it counts as work time beforehand - cancel the leave for that day in advance
– Smock
12 hours ago
Was your boss merely suggesting you might be interested in the course for yourself (completely voluntary) or is it a work related 'class' ? Who paid for the cost of the class ? If your employer paid for the training the you could argue it was for work, and therefore on work time. Unfortunately in a case like this it may be too late to do anything about it. If it ever happens again, check that it counts as work time beforehand - cancel the leave for that day in advance
– Smock
12 hours ago
1
1
@darnok Please clarify in the question that you attended this training before you gave notice. It reads like you are considering whether you should attend the training or not.
– thelem
10 hours ago
@darnok Please clarify in the question that you attended this training before you gave notice. It reads like you are considering whether you should attend the training or not.
– thelem
10 hours ago
2
2
Why did not immediately notice this error back in February? You might have a hard time getting this corrected due to the amount of time that has passed, and the fact you are now leaving the company. You might want to take it upon yourself to verify your time card is correct in the future.
– Ramhound
9 hours ago
Why did not immediately notice this error back in February? You might have a hard time getting this corrected due to the amount of time that has passed, and the fact you are now leaving the company. You might want to take it upon yourself to verify your time card is correct in the future.
– Ramhound
9 hours ago
3
3
I don't know what is the system in Netherlands specifically but don't you have a form or any official documentation that you have to submit to your employer for taking time off, precisely for the documentation? This piece of information is missing. You said you asked for 3 days, but you don't say how many you were granted and took. There should be official paper trail for this. It's not common to go to work-related courses on free time, but it's also uncommon to forbid it. What's common is to follow official timesheets.
– luk32
9 hours ago
I don't know what is the system in Netherlands specifically but don't you have a form or any official documentation that you have to submit to your employer for taking time off, precisely for the documentation? This piece of information is missing. You said you asked for 3 days, but you don't say how many you were granted and took. There should be official paper trail for this. It's not common to go to work-related courses on free time, but it's also uncommon to forbid it. What's common is to follow official timesheets.
– luk32
9 hours ago
|
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No this is not common. Your manager is trying to take advantage of you. If the class is work related then it doesn't matter that you are not at work, it needs to be treated as a work day. You need to ask your manager to remove the day off as you will be attending a work related class. If he refuses, then inform him that you will not be attending a class on your day off. Regardless, you might want to search for a new company to work for.
answered 12 hours ago
sf02sf02
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Note: the post identifies this incident as having happened and part of your answer seems to suggest it is ongoing. You make a good point as well about the gravity of this event; OP should determine if this is somehow a mistake or if the boss really isn't trustworthy and act accordingly.
– dbeer
12 hours ago
10
Also to mention that the OP has already sent his notice, so he's leaving the company anyway.
– Xander
12 hours ago
2
If it was not at your workplace make sure to check if you are legally obliged to get compensation for travel/food. Also the travel from/to your place of work might count as work time (even if you didn't go to your workplace first)
– Josef
9 hours ago
5
It's vacation, not sick leave. In Germany, if your employer asked you to work while you're sick, he's committing a crime. If he's asking you to work and then marking it as vacation, he's also committing a crime. He's basically stealing a day of work's pay. I don't know about the laws in the Netherlands, but I'd be surprised if they're different. Talk to HR, inform them of what happened, make sure they don't take the vacation day.
– xyious
8 hours ago
1
@SouravGhosh And that 1 employee is you. That makes it a good reason to find a new boss, inside or outside the company. Even if with pushback he changes his mind, do you want to work for someone like that?
– Gabe Sechan
7 hours ago
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In hindsight, you should have negotiated the effect this had on your holiday days before accepting the course.
Sure, if you cancel that day's holiday, I'll attend.
Since (I assume) the course is related to your work, you should now head to HR and tell them what happened and ask for them to strike off that day's holiday time so that you can use it for your own PTO.
If that doesn't work out for you, you might have to suck this one up and put it down to experience. Be really careful about your manager redirecting your PTO in future.
answered 12 hours ago
Snow♦Snow
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Company has no HR dep. as stated on op's question.
– Pedro Lobito
2 hours ago
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Is this a common thing?
No, it's not.
As long as the training is related to your profession and helps you make a better employee (and even also a human being), it's a part of the "job".
You need to reach out to your HR. Maybe your boss is misreading or misinterpreting (deliberately or unintentionally) the company policies.
edit:
I'm currently in my last week of work for this company,
Well, then he played a little trick. There's really nothing much you can do. Just move on and take this as an experience.
answered 12 hours ago
Sourav GhoshSourav Ghosh
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In my experience, you can receive the paid time at the end of your period of employment, or get paid directly for accrued time. You certainly can do something. The trick the OP's boss played is called wage theft.
– De Novo
6 hours ago
No HR here, you have to read the question..
– George M
31 mins ago
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No, this is not common among reputable management. Your boss knows darn well that they stiffed you and if they are this petty then trying to get that day back from them will uncover further levels of pettiness.
Based on your previous question combined with this one I would suggest to just learn from this experience and move on.
Besides, you have taken more sick days than allowed, right? Were you paid for all of those days? If so, then I would call it "even".
Far too many people are willing to die on a molehill and if one is not readily available then they seek out the nearest one.
^ Don't be one of these people.
answered 8 hours ago
MonkeyZeusMonkeyZeus
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Or use the same thing to your advantage. It's your last week at work, and suddenly you come down with a stomach bug which takes you out until Friday, when you finally make it in to fill in your leaving paperwork and claim those days off sick. Are they prepared to call you out and die on that molehill? Probably not.
– Graham
2 hours ago
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As you work in a sector where getting a new decent job is quite easy, you still have "negotiation power". I would have a serious face-to-face conversation with my boss, explaining him the "misunderstanding" and the reasons why you are not happy about these events.
Ask politely for the fair thing to be done. If he refuses, start looking for a new job, after all, if they can cheat you on one silly "day off", there may be plenty of other things where they will take advantage of you (if they aren't already)
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OP is already on their last week of work, as indicated in the question, and have already a sour relationship with their boss (as indicated in linked question)
– rath
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Today, I saw that the day of the class was still listed as a day off, and when I asked my boss about it, he said that I was not at work so it counts as a day off.
Is this a common thing?
No, absolutely not.
I'm currently in my last week of work for this company.
Well, that changes things. Did you really think your company would send to a class on company time in the last week you are working for them? What benefit to the company does you going to that class have?
Your boss could have made it more clear to you that going to class would be in your own time -- but you should also have been more proactive and have asked for details (who pays for it, on whose time, etc) when he offered.
answered 5 hours ago
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In the Netherlands I noticed that nowadays this is quite common. Ever since the bank managers moved away from banks to other parts of the world (which started happening after the bank crisis of 2008) we can notice such behaviour more and more.
The sad thing is that in the Netherlands at least you find politics always side with the managers, so if you even bring this up the laws will be changed to favour your manager before you get any money.
Sure it is not right, but it happens and you have to learn to live with it and make the best out of the given situation we are in.
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No this is not common. Your manager is trying to take advantage of you. If the class is work related then it doesn't matter that you are not at work, it needs to be treated as a work day. You need to ask your manager to remove the day off as you will be attending a work related class. If he refuses, then inform him that you will not be attending a class on your day off. Regardless, you might want to search for a new company to work for.
answered 12 hours ago
sf02sf02
9,69851740
Note: the post identifies this incident as having happened and part of your answer seems to suggest it is ongoing. You make a good point as well about the gravity of this event; OP should determine if this is somehow a mistake or if the boss really isn't trustworthy and act accordingly.
– dbeer
12 hours ago
10
Also to mention that the OP has already sent his notice, so he's leaving the company anyway.
– Xander
12 hours ago
2
If it was not at your workplace make sure to check if you are legally obliged to get compensation for travel/food. Also the travel from/to your place of work might count as work time (even if you didn't go to your workplace first)
– Josef
9 hours ago
5
It's vacation, not sick leave. In Germany, if your employer asked you to work while you're sick, he's committing a crime. If he's asking you to work and then marking it as vacation, he's also committing a crime. He's basically stealing a day of work's pay. I don't know about the laws in the Netherlands, but I'd be surprised if they're different. Talk to HR, inform them of what happened, make sure they don't take the vacation day.
– xyious
8 hours ago
1
@SouravGhosh And that 1 employee is you. That makes it a good reason to find a new boss, inside or outside the company. Even if with pushback he changes his mind, do you want to work for someone like that?
– Gabe Sechan
7 hours ago
|
show 2 more comments
No this is not common. Your manager is trying to take advantage of you. If the class is work related then it doesn't matter that you are not at work, it needs to be treated as a work day. You need to ask your manager to remove the day off as you will be attending a work related class. If he refuses, then inform him that you will not be attending a class on your day off. Regardless, you might want to search for a new company to work for.
answered 12 hours ago
sf02sf02
9,69851740
Note: the post identifies this incident as having happened and part of your answer seems to suggest it is ongoing. You make a good point as well about the gravity of this event; OP should determine if this is somehow a mistake or if the boss really isn't trustworthy and act accordingly.
– dbeer
12 hours ago
10
Also to mention that the OP has already sent his notice, so he's leaving the company anyway.
– Xander
12 hours ago
2
If it was not at your workplace make sure to check if you are legally obliged to get compensation for travel/food. Also the travel from/to your place of work might count as work time (even if you didn't go to your workplace first)
– Josef
9 hours ago
5
It's vacation, not sick leave. In Germany, if your employer asked you to work while you're sick, he's committing a crime. If he's asking you to work and then marking it as vacation, he's also committing a crime. He's basically stealing a day of work's pay. I don't know about the laws in the Netherlands, but I'd be surprised if they're different. Talk to HR, inform them of what happened, make sure they don't take the vacation day.
– xyious
8 hours ago
1
@SouravGhosh And that 1 employee is you. That makes it a good reason to find a new boss, inside or outside the company. Even if with pushback he changes his mind, do you want to work for someone like that?
– Gabe Sechan
7 hours ago
|
show 2 more comments
No this is not common. Your manager is trying to take advantage of you. If the class is work related then it doesn't matter that you are not at work, it needs to be treated as a work day. You need to ask your manager to remove the day off as you will be attending a work related class. If he refuses, then inform him that you will not be attending a class on your day off. Regardless, you might want to search for a new company to work for.
answered 12 hours ago
sf02sf02
9,69851740
No this is not common. Your manager is trying to take advantage of you. If the class is work related then it doesn't matter that you are not at work, it needs to be treated as a work day. You need to ask your manager to remove the day off as you will be attending a work related class. If he refuses, then inform him that you will not be attending a class on your day off. Regardless, you might want to search for a new company to work for.
answered 12 hours ago
sf02sf02
9,69851740
answered 12 hours ago
sf02sf02
9,69851740
answered 12 hours ago
sf02sf02
9,69851740
answered 12 hours ago
sf02sf02
9,69851740
9,69851740
Note: the post identifies this incident as having happened and part of your answer seems to suggest it is ongoing. You make a good point as well about the gravity of this event; OP should determine if this is somehow a mistake or if the boss really isn't trustworthy and act accordingly.
– dbeer
12 hours ago
10
Also to mention that the OP has already sent his notice, so he's leaving the company anyway.
– Xander
12 hours ago
2
If it was not at your workplace make sure to check if you are legally obliged to get compensation for travel/food. Also the travel from/to your place of work might count as work time (even if you didn't go to your workplace first)
– Josef
9 hours ago
5
It's vacation, not sick leave. In Germany, if your employer asked you to work while you're sick, he's committing a crime. If he's asking you to work and then marking it as vacation, he's also committing a crime. He's basically stealing a day of work's pay. I don't know about the laws in the Netherlands, but I'd be surprised if they're different. Talk to HR, inform them of what happened, make sure they don't take the vacation day.
– xyious
8 hours ago
1
@SouravGhosh And that 1 employee is you. That makes it a good reason to find a new boss, inside or outside the company. Even if with pushback he changes his mind, do you want to work for someone like that?
– Gabe Sechan
7 hours ago
|
show 2 more comments
Note: the post identifies this incident as having happened and part of your answer seems to suggest it is ongoing. You make a good point as well about the gravity of this event; OP should determine if this is somehow a mistake or if the boss really isn't trustworthy and act accordingly.
– dbeer
12 hours ago
10
Also to mention that the OP has already sent his notice, so he's leaving the company anyway.
– Xander
12 hours ago
2
If it was not at your workplace make sure to check if you are legally obliged to get compensation for travel/food. Also the travel from/to your place of work might count as work time (even if you didn't go to your workplace first)
– Josef
9 hours ago
5
It's vacation, not sick leave. In Germany, if your employer asked you to work while you're sick, he's committing a crime. If he's asking you to work and then marking it as vacation, he's also committing a crime. He's basically stealing a day of work's pay. I don't know about the laws in the Netherlands, but I'd be surprised if they're different. Talk to HR, inform them of what happened, make sure they don't take the vacation day.
– xyious
8 hours ago
1
@SouravGhosh And that 1 employee is you. That makes it a good reason to find a new boss, inside or outside the company. Even if with pushback he changes his mind, do you want to work for someone like that?
– Gabe Sechan
7 hours ago
Note: the post identifies this incident as having happened and part of your answer seems to suggest it is ongoing. You make a good point as well about the gravity of this event; OP should determine if this is somehow a mistake or if the boss really isn't trustworthy and act accordingly.
– dbeer
12 hours ago
Note: the post identifies this incident as having happened and part of your answer seems to suggest it is ongoing. You make a good point as well about the gravity of this event; OP should determine if this is somehow a mistake or if the boss really isn't trustworthy and act accordingly.
– dbeer
12 hours ago
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Also to mention that the OP has already sent his notice, so he's leaving the company anyway.
– Xander
12 hours ago
Also to mention that the OP has already sent his notice, so he's leaving the company anyway.
– Xander
12 hours ago
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If it was not at your workplace make sure to check if you are legally obliged to get compensation for travel/food. Also the travel from/to your place of work might count as work time (even if you didn't go to your workplace first)
– Josef
9 hours ago
If it was not at your workplace make sure to check if you are legally obliged to get compensation for travel/food. Also the travel from/to your place of work might count as work time (even if you didn't go to your workplace first)
– Josef
9 hours ago
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It's vacation, not sick leave. In Germany, if your employer asked you to work while you're sick, he's committing a crime. If he's asking you to work and then marking it as vacation, he's also committing a crime. He's basically stealing a day of work's pay. I don't know about the laws in the Netherlands, but I'd be surprised if they're different. Talk to HR, inform them of what happened, make sure they don't take the vacation day.
– xyious
8 hours ago
It's vacation, not sick leave. In Germany, if your employer asked you to work while you're sick, he's committing a crime. If he's asking you to work and then marking it as vacation, he's also committing a crime. He's basically stealing a day of work's pay. I don't know about the laws in the Netherlands, but I'd be surprised if they're different. Talk to HR, inform them of what happened, make sure they don't take the vacation day.
– xyious
8 hours ago
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@SouravGhosh And that 1 employee is you. That makes it a good reason to find a new boss, inside or outside the company. Even if with pushback he changes his mind, do you want to work for someone like that?
– Gabe Sechan
7 hours ago
@SouravGhosh And that 1 employee is you. That makes it a good reason to find a new boss, inside or outside the company. Even if with pushback he changes his mind, do you want to work for someone like that?
– Gabe Sechan
7 hours ago
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In hindsight, you should have negotiated the effect this had on your holiday days before accepting the course.
Sure, if you cancel that day's holiday, I'll attend.
Since (I assume) the course is related to your work, you should now head to HR and tell them what happened and ask for them to strike off that day's holiday time so that you can use it for your own PTO.
If that doesn't work out for you, you might have to suck this one up and put it down to experience. Be really careful about your manager redirecting your PTO in future.
answered 12 hours ago
Snow♦Snow
63.6k52208254
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Company has no HR dep. as stated on op's question.
– Pedro Lobito
2 hours ago
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In hindsight, you should have negotiated the effect this had on your holiday days before accepting the course.
Sure, if you cancel that day's holiday, I'll attend.
Since (I assume) the course is related to your work, you should now head to HR and tell them what happened and ask for them to strike off that day's holiday time so that you can use it for your own PTO.
If that doesn't work out for you, you might have to suck this one up and put it down to experience. Be really careful about your manager redirecting your PTO in future.
answered 12 hours ago
Snow♦Snow
63.6k52208254
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Company has no HR dep. as stated on op's question.
– Pedro Lobito
2 hours ago
add a comment |
In hindsight, you should have negotiated the effect this had on your holiday days before accepting the course.
Sure, if you cancel that day's holiday, I'll attend.
Since (I assume) the course is related to your work, you should now head to HR and tell them what happened and ask for them to strike off that day's holiday time so that you can use it for your own PTO.
If that doesn't work out for you, you might have to suck this one up and put it down to experience. Be really careful about your manager redirecting your PTO in future.
answered 12 hours ago
Snow♦Snow
63.6k52208254
In hindsight, you should have negotiated the effect this had on your holiday days before accepting the course.
Sure, if you cancel that day's holiday, I'll attend.
Since (I assume) the course is related to your work, you should now head to HR and tell them what happened and ask for them to strike off that day's holiday time so that you can use it for your own PTO.
If that doesn't work out for you, you might have to suck this one up and put it down to experience. Be really careful about your manager redirecting your PTO in future.
answered 12 hours ago
Snow♦Snow
63.6k52208254
answered 12 hours ago
Snow♦Snow
63.6k52208254
answered 12 hours ago
Snow♦Snow
63.6k52208254
answered 12 hours ago
Snow♦Snow
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Company has no HR dep. as stated on op's question.
– Pedro Lobito
2 hours ago
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Company has no HR dep. as stated on op's question.
– Pedro Lobito
2 hours ago
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Company has no HR dep. as stated on op's question.
– Pedro Lobito
2 hours ago
Company has no HR dep. as stated on op's question.
– Pedro Lobito
2 hours ago
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Is this a common thing?
No, it's not.
As long as the training is related to your profession and helps you make a better employee (and even also a human being), it's a part of the "job".
You need to reach out to your HR. Maybe your boss is misreading or misinterpreting (deliberately or unintentionally) the company policies.
edit:
I'm currently in my last week of work for this company,
Well, then he played a little trick. There's really nothing much you can do. Just move on and take this as an experience.
answered 12 hours ago
Sourav GhoshSourav Ghosh
7,41943656
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In my experience, you can receive the paid time at the end of your period of employment, or get paid directly for accrued time. You certainly can do something. The trick the OP's boss played is called wage theft.
– De Novo
6 hours ago
No HR here, you have to read the question..
– George M
31 mins ago
add a comment |
Is this a common thing?
No, it's not.
As long as the training is related to your profession and helps you make a better employee (and even also a human being), it's a part of the "job".
You need to reach out to your HR. Maybe your boss is misreading or misinterpreting (deliberately or unintentionally) the company policies.
edit:
I'm currently in my last week of work for this company,
Well, then he played a little trick. There's really nothing much you can do. Just move on and take this as an experience.
answered 12 hours ago
Sourav GhoshSourav Ghosh
7,41943656
3
In my experience, you can receive the paid time at the end of your period of employment, or get paid directly for accrued time. You certainly can do something. The trick the OP's boss played is called wage theft.
– De Novo
6 hours ago
No HR here, you have to read the question..
– George M
31 mins ago
add a comment |
Is this a common thing?
No, it's not.
As long as the training is related to your profession and helps you make a better employee (and even also a human being), it's a part of the "job".
You need to reach out to your HR. Maybe your boss is misreading or misinterpreting (deliberately or unintentionally) the company policies.
edit:
I'm currently in my last week of work for this company,
Well, then he played a little trick. There's really nothing much you can do. Just move on and take this as an experience.
answered 12 hours ago
Sourav GhoshSourav Ghosh
7,41943656
Is this a common thing?
No, it's not.
As long as the training is related to your profession and helps you make a better employee (and even also a human being), it's a part of the "job".
You need to reach out to your HR. Maybe your boss is misreading or misinterpreting (deliberately or unintentionally) the company policies.
edit:
I'm currently in my last week of work for this company,
Well, then he played a little trick. There's really nothing much you can do. Just move on and take this as an experience.
answered 12 hours ago
Sourav GhoshSourav Ghosh
7,41943656
edited 12 hours ago
answered 12 hours ago
Sourav GhoshSourav Ghosh
7,41943656
answered 12 hours ago
Sourav GhoshSourav Ghosh
7,41943656
answered 12 hours ago
Sourav GhoshSourav Ghosh
7,41943656
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In my experience, you can receive the paid time at the end of your period of employment, or get paid directly for accrued time. You certainly can do something. The trick the OP's boss played is called wage theft.
– De Novo
6 hours ago
No HR here, you have to read the question..
– George M
31 mins ago
add a comment |
3
In my experience, you can receive the paid time at the end of your period of employment, or get paid directly for accrued time. You certainly can do something. The trick the OP's boss played is called wage theft.
– De Novo
6 hours ago
No HR here, you have to read the question..
– George M
31 mins ago
3
3
In my experience, you can receive the paid time at the end of your period of employment, or get paid directly for accrued time. You certainly can do something. The trick the OP's boss played is called wage theft.
– De Novo
6 hours ago
In my experience, you can receive the paid time at the end of your period of employment, or get paid directly for accrued time. You certainly can do something. The trick the OP's boss played is called wage theft.
– De Novo
6 hours ago
No HR here, you have to read the question..
– George M
31 mins ago
No HR here, you have to read the question..
– George M
31 mins ago
add a comment |
No, this is not common among reputable management. Your boss knows darn well that they stiffed you and if they are this petty then trying to get that day back from them will uncover further levels of pettiness.
Based on your previous question combined with this one I would suggest to just learn from this experience and move on.
Besides, you have taken more sick days than allowed, right? Were you paid for all of those days? If so, then I would call it "even".
Far too many people are willing to die on a molehill and if one is not readily available then they seek out the nearest one.
^ Don't be one of these people.
answered 8 hours ago
MonkeyZeusMonkeyZeus
4,11411129
Or use the same thing to your advantage. It's your last week at work, and suddenly you come down with a stomach bug which takes you out until Friday, when you finally make it in to fill in your leaving paperwork and claim those days off sick. Are they prepared to call you out and die on that molehill? Probably not.
– Graham
2 hours ago
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No, this is not common among reputable management. Your boss knows darn well that they stiffed you and if they are this petty then trying to get that day back from them will uncover further levels of pettiness.
Based on your previous question combined with this one I would suggest to just learn from this experience and move on.
Besides, you have taken more sick days than allowed, right? Were you paid for all of those days? If so, then I would call it "even".
Far too many people are willing to die on a molehill and if one is not readily available then they seek out the nearest one.
^ Don't be one of these people.
answered 8 hours ago
MonkeyZeusMonkeyZeus
4,11411129
Or use the same thing to your advantage. It's your last week at work, and suddenly you come down with a stomach bug which takes you out until Friday, when you finally make it in to fill in your leaving paperwork and claim those days off sick. Are they prepared to call you out and die on that molehill? Probably not.
– Graham
2 hours ago
add a comment |
No, this is not common among reputable management. Your boss knows darn well that they stiffed you and if they are this petty then trying to get that day back from them will uncover further levels of pettiness.
Based on your previous question combined with this one I would suggest to just learn from this experience and move on.
Besides, you have taken more sick days than allowed, right? Were you paid for all of those days? If so, then I would call it "even".
Far too many people are willing to die on a molehill and if one is not readily available then they seek out the nearest one.
^ Don't be one of these people.
answered 8 hours ago
MonkeyZeusMonkeyZeus
4,11411129
No, this is not common among reputable management. Your boss knows darn well that they stiffed you and if they are this petty then trying to get that day back from them will uncover further levels of pettiness.
Based on your previous question combined with this one I would suggest to just learn from this experience and move on.
Besides, you have taken more sick days than allowed, right? Were you paid for all of those days? If so, then I would call it "even".
Far too many people are willing to die on a molehill and if one is not readily available then they seek out the nearest one.
^ Don't be one of these people.
answered 8 hours ago
MonkeyZeusMonkeyZeus
4,11411129
answered 8 hours ago
MonkeyZeusMonkeyZeus
4,11411129
answered 8 hours ago
MonkeyZeusMonkeyZeus
4,11411129
answered 8 hours ago
MonkeyZeusMonkeyZeus
4,11411129
4,11411129
Or use the same thing to your advantage. It's your last week at work, and suddenly you come down with a stomach bug which takes you out until Friday, when you finally make it in to fill in your leaving paperwork and claim those days off sick. Are they prepared to call you out and die on that molehill? Probably not.
– Graham
2 hours ago
add a comment |
Or use the same thing to your advantage. It's your last week at work, and suddenly you come down with a stomach bug which takes you out until Friday, when you finally make it in to fill in your leaving paperwork and claim those days off sick. Are they prepared to call you out and die on that molehill? Probably not.
– Graham
2 hours ago
Or use the same thing to your advantage. It's your last week at work, and suddenly you come down with a stomach bug which takes you out until Friday, when you finally make it in to fill in your leaving paperwork and claim those days off sick. Are they prepared to call you out and die on that molehill? Probably not.
– Graham
2 hours ago
Or use the same thing to your advantage. It's your last week at work, and suddenly you come down with a stomach bug which takes you out until Friday, when you finally make it in to fill in your leaving paperwork and claim those days off sick. Are they prepared to call you out and die on that molehill? Probably not.
– Graham
2 hours ago
add a comment |
As you work in a sector where getting a new decent job is quite easy, you still have "negotiation power". I would have a serious face-to-face conversation with my boss, explaining him the "misunderstanding" and the reasons why you are not happy about these events.
Ask politely for the fair thing to be done. If he refuses, start looking for a new job, after all, if they can cheat you on one silly "day off", there may be plenty of other things where they will take advantage of you (if they aren't already)
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OP is already on their last week of work, as indicated in the question, and have already a sour relationship with their boss (as indicated in linked question)
– rath
10 hours ago
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As you work in a sector where getting a new decent job is quite easy, you still have "negotiation power". I would have a serious face-to-face conversation with my boss, explaining him the "misunderstanding" and the reasons why you are not happy about these events.
Ask politely for the fair thing to be done. If he refuses, start looking for a new job, after all, if they can cheat you on one silly "day off", there may be plenty of other things where they will take advantage of you (if they aren't already)
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OP is already on their last week of work, as indicated in the question, and have already a sour relationship with their boss (as indicated in linked question)
– rath
10 hours ago
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As you work in a sector where getting a new decent job is quite easy, you still have "negotiation power". I would have a serious face-to-face conversation with my boss, explaining him the "misunderstanding" and the reasons why you are not happy about these events.
Ask politely for the fair thing to be done. If he refuses, start looking for a new job, after all, if they can cheat you on one silly "day off", there may be plenty of other things where they will take advantage of you (if they aren't already)
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As you work in a sector where getting a new decent job is quite easy, you still have "negotiation power". I would have a serious face-to-face conversation with my boss, explaining him the "misunderstanding" and the reasons why you are not happy about these events.
Ask politely for the fair thing to be done. If he refuses, start looking for a new job, after all, if they can cheat you on one silly "day off", there may be plenty of other things where they will take advantage of you (if they aren't already)
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OP is already on their last week of work, as indicated in the question, and have already a sour relationship with their boss (as indicated in linked question)
– rath
10 hours ago
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OP is already on their last week of work, as indicated in the question, and have already a sour relationship with their boss (as indicated in linked question)
– rath
10 hours ago
1
1
OP is already on their last week of work, as indicated in the question, and have already a sour relationship with their boss (as indicated in linked question)
– rath
10 hours ago
OP is already on their last week of work, as indicated in the question, and have already a sour relationship with their boss (as indicated in linked question)
– rath
10 hours ago
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Today, I saw that the day of the class was still listed as a day off, and when I asked my boss about it, he said that I was not at work so it counts as a day off.
Is this a common thing?
No, absolutely not.
I'm currently in my last week of work for this company.
Well, that changes things. Did you really think your company would send to a class on company time in the last week you are working for them? What benefit to the company does you going to that class have?
Your boss could have made it more clear to you that going to class would be in your own time -- but you should also have been more proactive and have asked for details (who pays for it, on whose time, etc) when he offered.
answered 5 hours ago
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Today, I saw that the day of the class was still listed as a day off, and when I asked my boss about it, he said that I was not at work so it counts as a day off.
Is this a common thing?
No, absolutely not.
I'm currently in my last week of work for this company.
Well, that changes things. Did you really think your company would send to a class on company time in the last week you are working for them? What benefit to the company does you going to that class have?
Your boss could have made it more clear to you that going to class would be in your own time -- but you should also have been more proactive and have asked for details (who pays for it, on whose time, etc) when he offered.
answered 5 hours ago
AbigailAbigail
4,22821122
add a comment |
Today, I saw that the day of the class was still listed as a day off, and when I asked my boss about it, he said that I was not at work so it counts as a day off.
Is this a common thing?
No, absolutely not.
I'm currently in my last week of work for this company.
Well, that changes things. Did you really think your company would send to a class on company time in the last week you are working for them? What benefit to the company does you going to that class have?
Your boss could have made it more clear to you that going to class would be in your own time -- but you should also have been more proactive and have asked for details (who pays for it, on whose time, etc) when he offered.
answered 5 hours ago
AbigailAbigail
4,22821122
Today, I saw that the day of the class was still listed as a day off, and when I asked my boss about it, he said that I was not at work so it counts as a day off.
Is this a common thing?
No, absolutely not.
I'm currently in my last week of work for this company.
Well, that changes things. Did you really think your company would send to a class on company time in the last week you are working for them? What benefit to the company does you going to that class have?
Your boss could have made it more clear to you that going to class would be in your own time -- but you should also have been more proactive and have asked for details (who pays for it, on whose time, etc) when he offered.
answered 5 hours ago
AbigailAbigail
4,22821122
answered 5 hours ago
AbigailAbigail
4,22821122
answered 5 hours ago
AbigailAbigail
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In the Netherlands I noticed that nowadays this is quite common. Ever since the bank managers moved away from banks to other parts of the world (which started happening after the bank crisis of 2008) we can notice such behaviour more and more.
The sad thing is that in the Netherlands at least you find politics always side with the managers, so if you even bring this up the laws will be changed to favour your manager before you get any money.
Sure it is not right, but it happens and you have to learn to live with it and make the best out of the given situation we are in.
answered 35 mins ago
paul23paul23
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In the Netherlands I noticed that nowadays this is quite common. Ever since the bank managers moved away from banks to other parts of the world (which started happening after the bank crisis of 2008) we can notice such behaviour more and more.
The sad thing is that in the Netherlands at least you find politics always side with the managers, so if you even bring this up the laws will be changed to favour your manager before you get any money.
Sure it is not right, but it happens and you have to learn to live with it and make the best out of the given situation we are in.
answered 35 mins ago
paul23paul23
1243
add a comment |
In the Netherlands I noticed that nowadays this is quite common. Ever since the bank managers moved away from banks to other parts of the world (which started happening after the bank crisis of 2008) we can notice such behaviour more and more.
The sad thing is that in the Netherlands at least you find politics always side with the managers, so if you even bring this up the laws will be changed to favour your manager before you get any money.
Sure it is not right, but it happens and you have to learn to live with it and make the best out of the given situation we are in.
answered 35 mins ago
paul23paul23
1243
In the Netherlands I noticed that nowadays this is quite common. Ever since the bank managers moved away from banks to other parts of the world (which started happening after the bank crisis of 2008) we can notice such behaviour more and more.
The sad thing is that in the Netherlands at least you find politics always side with the managers, so if you even bring this up the laws will be changed to favour your manager before you get any money.
Sure it is not right, but it happens and you have to learn to live with it and make the best out of the given situation we are in.
answered 35 mins ago
paul23paul23
1243
answered 35 mins ago
paul23paul23
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So what happens if you decide not to go? If it's your day off, you should be able to do with it what you want.
– Keith
12 hours ago
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Was your boss merely suggesting you might be interested in the course for yourself (completely voluntary) or is it a work related 'class' ? Who paid for the cost of the class ? If your employer paid for the training the you could argue it was for work, and therefore on work time. Unfortunately in a case like this it may be too late to do anything about it. If it ever happens again, check that it counts as work time beforehand - cancel the leave for that day in advance
– Smock
12 hours ago
1
@darnok Please clarify in the question that you attended this training before you gave notice. It reads like you are considering whether you should attend the training or not.
– thelem
10 hours ago
2
Why did not immediately notice this error back in February? You might have a hard time getting this corrected due to the amount of time that has passed, and the fact you are now leaving the company. You might want to take it upon yourself to verify your time card is correct in the future.
– Ramhound
9 hours ago
3
I don't know what is the system in Netherlands specifically but don't you have a form or any official documentation that you have to submit to your employer for taking time off, precisely for the documentation? This piece of information is missing. You said you asked for 3 days, but you don't say how many you were granted and took. There should be official paper trail for this. It's not common to go to work-related courses on free time, but it's also uncommon to forbid it. What's common is to follow official timesheets.
– luk32
9 hours ago