Sentient Cephalopods in Exoskeletons












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On a distant planet covered mostly by water a species of highly intelligence cephalopods have evolved and even developed space travel. The problem?



Most other species are land dwellers and the cephalopods need a means to traverse their space stations and cities. Without a skeleton of their own their land travel is limited to an undignified and uncomfortable crawl that is entirely unbecoming of the most ingenious species in the galaxy.



The solution? Build their own skeleton. An exoskeleton specifically. Ideally one that can be powered by the cephalopod's own muscle strength.



So my question is; Would it be feasible for a cephalopod to move on land by inhabiting a non-powered exoskeleton and moving the limbs with their tentacles. In my mind it works by the cephalopod entering the tightly fit exoskeleton, which provides the creature support enough to not collapse under gravity, and use their own flesh in place of the muscle tissue normally used to move the skeleton around.



If this combination wouldn't be functional what would be a way to make it functional? Preferably keeping with the non-powered artificial exoskeleton concept.










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  • What size and weight do your cephalopods have? Also what size are the tentacles in comparison to the body?
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  • It varies. For now we can assume comparable to a human in size but significantly lighter in weight without the exoskeleton. The Giant Pacific Octopus can get up to 14 feet long and only weighs 33 pounds and max out around 20 feet long and 110 pounds. We can use that as a baseline.
    – MetalJimmor
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  • So, instead of a bipedal loader, like in Aliens, it's a more stable quadruped loader with four articulated grasping arms. Sounds great, what's the problem? Just borrow a little hand waving from The Abyss and you've got yourself an aqua cockpit.
    – Mazura
    yesterday






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    Have you considered them domesticating some animal to ride on land instead? Perhaps something amphibious?
    – Tim B
    19 hours ago






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    @TimB An animal wouldn't be a bad idea around cities. Good idea. Though it would be a bit cumbersome on a space station or any ally starship. The story needs the cephalopod to be able to efficiently navigate a human starship. So human-sized doors, narrow halls, etc.
    – MetalJimmor
    18 hours ago
















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On a distant planet covered mostly by water a species of highly intelligence cephalopods have evolved and even developed space travel. The problem?



Most other species are land dwellers and the cephalopods need a means to traverse their space stations and cities. Without a skeleton of their own their land travel is limited to an undignified and uncomfortable crawl that is entirely unbecoming of the most ingenious species in the galaxy.



The solution? Build their own skeleton. An exoskeleton specifically. Ideally one that can be powered by the cephalopod's own muscle strength.



So my question is; Would it be feasible for a cephalopod to move on land by inhabiting a non-powered exoskeleton and moving the limbs with their tentacles. In my mind it works by the cephalopod entering the tightly fit exoskeleton, which provides the creature support enough to not collapse under gravity, and use their own flesh in place of the muscle tissue normally used to move the skeleton around.



If this combination wouldn't be functional what would be a way to make it functional? Preferably keeping with the non-powered artificial exoskeleton concept.










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  • What size and weight do your cephalopods have? Also what size are the tentacles in comparison to the body?
    – Soan
    yesterday












  • It varies. For now we can assume comparable to a human in size but significantly lighter in weight without the exoskeleton. The Giant Pacific Octopus can get up to 14 feet long and only weighs 33 pounds and max out around 20 feet long and 110 pounds. We can use that as a baseline.
    – MetalJimmor
    yesterday










  • So, instead of a bipedal loader, like in Aliens, it's a more stable quadruped loader with four articulated grasping arms. Sounds great, what's the problem? Just borrow a little hand waving from The Abyss and you've got yourself an aqua cockpit.
    – Mazura
    yesterday






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    Have you considered them domesticating some animal to ride on land instead? Perhaps something amphibious?
    – Tim B
    19 hours ago






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    @TimB An animal wouldn't be a bad idea around cities. Good idea. Though it would be a bit cumbersome on a space station or any ally starship. The story needs the cephalopod to be able to efficiently navigate a human starship. So human-sized doors, narrow halls, etc.
    – MetalJimmor
    18 hours ago














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On a distant planet covered mostly by water a species of highly intelligence cephalopods have evolved and even developed space travel. The problem?



Most other species are land dwellers and the cephalopods need a means to traverse their space stations and cities. Without a skeleton of their own their land travel is limited to an undignified and uncomfortable crawl that is entirely unbecoming of the most ingenious species in the galaxy.



The solution? Build their own skeleton. An exoskeleton specifically. Ideally one that can be powered by the cephalopod's own muscle strength.



So my question is; Would it be feasible for a cephalopod to move on land by inhabiting a non-powered exoskeleton and moving the limbs with their tentacles. In my mind it works by the cephalopod entering the tightly fit exoskeleton, which provides the creature support enough to not collapse under gravity, and use their own flesh in place of the muscle tissue normally used to move the skeleton around.



If this combination wouldn't be functional what would be a way to make it functional? Preferably keeping with the non-powered artificial exoskeleton concept.










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On a distant planet covered mostly by water a species of highly intelligence cephalopods have evolved and even developed space travel. The problem?



Most other species are land dwellers and the cephalopods need a means to traverse their space stations and cities. Without a skeleton of their own their land travel is limited to an undignified and uncomfortable crawl that is entirely unbecoming of the most ingenious species in the galaxy.



The solution? Build their own skeleton. An exoskeleton specifically. Ideally one that can be powered by the cephalopod's own muscle strength.



So my question is; Would it be feasible for a cephalopod to move on land by inhabiting a non-powered exoskeleton and moving the limbs with their tentacles. In my mind it works by the cephalopod entering the tightly fit exoskeleton, which provides the creature support enough to not collapse under gravity, and use their own flesh in place of the muscle tissue normally used to move the skeleton around.



If this combination wouldn't be functional what would be a way to make it functional? Preferably keeping with the non-powered artificial exoskeleton concept.







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  • What size and weight do your cephalopods have? Also what size are the tentacles in comparison to the body?
    – Soan
    yesterday












  • It varies. For now we can assume comparable to a human in size but significantly lighter in weight without the exoskeleton. The Giant Pacific Octopus can get up to 14 feet long and only weighs 33 pounds and max out around 20 feet long and 110 pounds. We can use that as a baseline.
    – MetalJimmor
    yesterday










  • So, instead of a bipedal loader, like in Aliens, it's a more stable quadruped loader with four articulated grasping arms. Sounds great, what's the problem? Just borrow a little hand waving from The Abyss and you've got yourself an aqua cockpit.
    – Mazura
    yesterday






  • 2




    Have you considered them domesticating some animal to ride on land instead? Perhaps something amphibious?
    – Tim B
    19 hours ago






  • 1




    @TimB An animal wouldn't be a bad idea around cities. Good idea. Though it would be a bit cumbersome on a space station or any ally starship. The story needs the cephalopod to be able to efficiently navigate a human starship. So human-sized doors, narrow halls, etc.
    – MetalJimmor
    18 hours ago


















  • What size and weight do your cephalopods have? Also what size are the tentacles in comparison to the body?
    – Soan
    yesterday












  • It varies. For now we can assume comparable to a human in size but significantly lighter in weight without the exoskeleton. The Giant Pacific Octopus can get up to 14 feet long and only weighs 33 pounds and max out around 20 feet long and 110 pounds. We can use that as a baseline.
    – MetalJimmor
    yesterday










  • So, instead of a bipedal loader, like in Aliens, it's a more stable quadruped loader with four articulated grasping arms. Sounds great, what's the problem? Just borrow a little hand waving from The Abyss and you've got yourself an aqua cockpit.
    – Mazura
    yesterday






  • 2




    Have you considered them domesticating some animal to ride on land instead? Perhaps something amphibious?
    – Tim B
    19 hours ago






  • 1




    @TimB An animal wouldn't be a bad idea around cities. Good idea. Though it would be a bit cumbersome on a space station or any ally starship. The story needs the cephalopod to be able to efficiently navigate a human starship. So human-sized doors, narrow halls, etc.
    – MetalJimmor
    18 hours ago
















What size and weight do your cephalopods have? Also what size are the tentacles in comparison to the body?
– Soan
yesterday






What size and weight do your cephalopods have? Also what size are the tentacles in comparison to the body?
– Soan
yesterday














It varies. For now we can assume comparable to a human in size but significantly lighter in weight without the exoskeleton. The Giant Pacific Octopus can get up to 14 feet long and only weighs 33 pounds and max out around 20 feet long and 110 pounds. We can use that as a baseline.
– MetalJimmor
yesterday




It varies. For now we can assume comparable to a human in size but significantly lighter in weight without the exoskeleton. The Giant Pacific Octopus can get up to 14 feet long and only weighs 33 pounds and max out around 20 feet long and 110 pounds. We can use that as a baseline.
– MetalJimmor
yesterday












So, instead of a bipedal loader, like in Aliens, it's a more stable quadruped loader with four articulated grasping arms. Sounds great, what's the problem? Just borrow a little hand waving from The Abyss and you've got yourself an aqua cockpit.
– Mazura
yesterday




So, instead of a bipedal loader, like in Aliens, it's a more stable quadruped loader with four articulated grasping arms. Sounds great, what's the problem? Just borrow a little hand waving from The Abyss and you've got yourself an aqua cockpit.
– Mazura
yesterday




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Have you considered them domesticating some animal to ride on land instead? Perhaps something amphibious?
– Tim B
19 hours ago




Have you considered them domesticating some animal to ride on land instead? Perhaps something amphibious?
– Tim B
19 hours ago




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@TimB An animal wouldn't be a bad idea around cities. Good idea. Though it would be a bit cumbersome on a space station or any ally starship. The story needs the cephalopod to be able to efficiently navigate a human starship. So human-sized doors, narrow halls, etc.
– MetalJimmor
18 hours ago




@TimB An animal wouldn't be a bad idea around cities. Good idea. Though it would be a bit cumbersome on a space station or any ally starship. The story needs the cephalopod to be able to efficiently navigate a human starship. So human-sized doors, narrow halls, etc.
– MetalJimmor
18 hours ago










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The problem lies in how and what to build the exoskeleton out of.



Cephalopods are not really as dexterous as humans are; they might use something like chopsticks, made of crab's claws or something similar, for the fine manipulation.



Underwater, no metallurgy is possible, and very little chemistry, since water is so good a solvent.



Once they realise they need the exoskeleton trick, or the necessity of some kind of artificial implements, I think the best route left to our cephalopods might be to breed clams to produce mother-of-pearl and aragonite shapes, and others to dissolve them or weld them together. Then, they can start making exoskeletons out of interlocking, welded mother-of-pearl parts.



I fear it will be a long and frustrating road.



Then, they meet the land-dwelling species and basically breed and enhance them, until they discover fire. And, after long experimentations (cephalopods are fascinated by fire), they discover metals. Tin, copper, bronze, iron.



At this point the exoskeletons will be made of metal struts and mother-of-pearl, and by the time they discover space travel, chances are that they're mostly using battery-powered exoskeletons.



Unless there is some non-technological way of achieving space travel, I'd expect exoskeletons to pre-date space travels by a very large margin.






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  • Why cant the ask any of the other space faring civilizations for the exoskeleton?
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    I love the idea of custom built mother-of-pearl suits.
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    Interesting the symbiosis between the water and earth civilizations, the first possess a much more developed brain and tecnology and the seccond are free from water and have good hands
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  • I’ve just got an image of an octopus using razor clams as stilts...
    – Joe Bloggs
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  • @JoeBloggs well, they wouldn't lean on the cutting bits :-) . They'd build hollow tubes with joints and levers, and pour inside.
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I don't see why this wouldn't be feasible. The simplest incarnation of some sort of exoskeleton would probably just be a few strong sticks that the cephalopod grasps with its tentacles. It wouldn't be that different from how we use crutches or stilts to lift ourselves. If the cephalopods are anything like what we have on Earth they should have no trouble wrapping their tentacles around a piece of wood or metal and lifting their own body weight without any additional mechanical help. Using four tentacles to grab four walking sticks would still leave an eight-tentacled cephalopod with plenty of appendages for holding and grabbing and manipulating its surroundings.






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    The image of octopuses on stilts is delightful. It also isn't too different from my own idea of a stone age suit equivalent that uses thick marine mammal bones and seal or shark skin straps to tie it all together and support the alien.
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I am surprised that no one has suggested this yet. If your cephalopods can build interplanetary travelling ships, they can build mechas.



Let's see the sharks try and 1-up this!



Advantages:




  • More powerful than a mere exoskeleton;

  • Can attach big guns;

  • Water reservoir makes you buoyant and therefore more comfortable in higher gravities than just being exposed to dry air;

  • Water reservoir cushions against high accelerations and falls;

  • And, most specially, Rule of Cool™.






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  • You're pretty much describing a Dalek. It fails at the non-powered test though.
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  • you're suggesting to use sword instead of needle, but ok.
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Yes it would work with three things to consider:





  • Stability The cephalopods will probably have to learn for months how to use the exoskeleton without falling over. For varying steepness and such they will probably need a year or even more.


  • Oxygen They somehow need access to oxygen while on land which probably requires something like water tanks attached around them or something similar.


  • Water The inside of the exoskeleton needs water to keep them nice and wet and prvent drying out.






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    This species, early in their history, would have to develop an understanding that their advancement is limited by their environment.
    By saying the world is mostly covered in oceans, I would assume that there is some dry land somewhere. Around that dry land, a branch of this species would develop a form of amphibious abilities or tactics to crawl on land to develop the technologies to gain an advantage over other species or their own kind. This would be metallurgy and chemistry as others have pointed out that would be difficult (not necessarily impossible) to develop. They may have got an understanding of metallurgy around geothermal vents. needing a safer place to advance this ideas, the land and air would be the solution. The race that either develops the strength to crawl on land or develop a crude tool to assist them, such as an exoskeleton or crutches.
    The race that manage to get on shore would become the dominate society and what ever method they used to accomplish this would be further developed and improved on over t






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      This is not natural for cephalopodes. Wikipedia said they have no conception of form. They like to hide in spots, liquidly filling them. The idea of becaming connected rigidly to some carcass should probably sound horryfying to them. Cephalopode in exoskeleton is a crucified cephalopode.



      They also have taste organs in their tentacles. I don't think they'll like to always taste their exoskeletons.



      Also I believe the muscles in their tentacles should work in some other way. They are not adopted to the kind of work needed to move the skeleton.



      In principle, they could evolve to live with an exoskeleton, but it should require a lot of effort and time.






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      • I'd argue humans do a great many things that aren't natural for them in the name of convenience. Climbing into metal death machines. Wearing suits of metal that are heavy, hot, and uncomfortable. Even wearing clothes when it's hot out because we're embarrassed. So long as the suits are a convenient way to adapt to their ally's living spaces I don't see why one wouldn't put in the time and effort to learn how to pilot one. So long as it is bio-mechanically feasible.
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      • Wearing clothes is not that unnatural for humans. It is more like "Why wouldn't humans live in the deep ocean always wearing hi-pressure water suits?" But even more, I think of "Human Centipede" type of unnaturality. Cephalopods should feel very uncomfortable when fixed to anythong rigid. Their muscles should change completely so they are not cephalopods anymore. And for what purpose? Does is worth it?
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      • You seem to be thinking they never leave the exoskeleton after getting in. Think of it more like a human putting on their hi-pressure water suits when they need to go underwater. The cephalopods would climb into their exoskeletons when it is time to interact with their surface allies.
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      • Like a bycicle for humans?
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      Give your exoskeleton hydraulics



      Cephalopodes are squishy. Like, really squishy. That's how they're able to squeeze through just about any hole. Because of this, a cephalopod isn't really well suited for a rigid exoskeleton.



      However, they are well suited for a hydraulic suit. Besides, what better way to direct energy for a sea-dwelling creature than water? Since hydraulics are pretty robust, there isn't necessarily a shape the suit has to be, but for familiarity's sake lets make it humanoid. For this, the best design is what we know best: humans. The suit would need some sort of internal skeleton for support, and each muscle could be replicated with a hydraulic cylinder.



      Wrap the whole thing up in a flexible outer layer aaaaand, that's pretty much it!



      Octopodes are unexpectedly strong (see #4). That means your octopode could control the entire suit from just one small area; it doesn't matter where. It could be the torso, the head, it could even be an arm! The most ingenious species in the galaxy certainly could work out the hydraulics from any point in the suit. For example's sake, lets use the head. Your octopode's entire body will be there. Then, attach a hydraulic hose from each cylinder to a connection at the head, and your octopode should be able to control their entire suit from their dark, damp, enclosed area. Any octopode's dream home!



      If your octopode wanted to straighten their arm, all they'd have to do is extend their "bicep" cylinder and retract their "tricep" cylinder. That's how we do it, after all; we just have fibers transferring the energy instead of water. Retracting cylinders shouldn't be any more difficult than extending for them, because their suckers are pretty darn strong too.



      In addition to being strong, octopodes can control their individual suckers with remarkable precision. That lets them make large movements with their tentacles, while fine movements (such as fingers) could be powered with their suckers.



      Lastly, since the octopode isn't actually in most of the suit, it's got a great escape mechanism: if a limb is threatened, just lose it! In our example, if the threat was big enough, our octopode could even just pop the head off the suit and scamper away.






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      • I like this suggestion. It is a good way to get more out of the alien's energy input without outright needing to burn a fuel source, which keeps it a fairly cheap way to move around in the land dweller's crude, barbaric work spaces and use their poorly conceived tools.
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      The problem lies in how and what to build the exoskeleton out of.



      Cephalopods are not really as dexterous as humans are; they might use something like chopsticks, made of crab's claws or something similar, for the fine manipulation.



      Underwater, no metallurgy is possible, and very little chemistry, since water is so good a solvent.



      Once they realise they need the exoskeleton trick, or the necessity of some kind of artificial implements, I think the best route left to our cephalopods might be to breed clams to produce mother-of-pearl and aragonite shapes, and others to dissolve them or weld them together. Then, they can start making exoskeletons out of interlocking, welded mother-of-pearl parts.



      I fear it will be a long and frustrating road.



      Then, they meet the land-dwelling species and basically breed and enhance them, until they discover fire. And, after long experimentations (cephalopods are fascinated by fire), they discover metals. Tin, copper, bronze, iron.



      At this point the exoskeletons will be made of metal struts and mother-of-pearl, and by the time they discover space travel, chances are that they're mostly using battery-powered exoskeletons.



      Unless there is some non-technological way of achieving space travel, I'd expect exoskeletons to pre-date space travels by a very large margin.






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      • Why cant the ask any of the other space faring civilizations for the exoskeleton?
        – Soan
        yesterday






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        I love the idea of custom built mother-of-pearl suits.
        – Cyn
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        Interesting the symbiosis between the water and earth civilizations, the first possess a much more developed brain and tecnology and the seccond are free from water and have good hands
        – Igor Novelli
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      • I’ve just got an image of an octopus using razor clams as stilts...
        – Joe Bloggs
        21 hours ago










      • @JoeBloggs well, they wouldn't lean on the cutting bits :-) . They'd build hollow tubes with joints and levers, and pour inside.
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      The problem lies in how and what to build the exoskeleton out of.



      Cephalopods are not really as dexterous as humans are; they might use something like chopsticks, made of crab's claws or something similar, for the fine manipulation.



      Underwater, no metallurgy is possible, and very little chemistry, since water is so good a solvent.



      Once they realise they need the exoskeleton trick, or the necessity of some kind of artificial implements, I think the best route left to our cephalopods might be to breed clams to produce mother-of-pearl and aragonite shapes, and others to dissolve them or weld them together. Then, they can start making exoskeletons out of interlocking, welded mother-of-pearl parts.



      I fear it will be a long and frustrating road.



      Then, they meet the land-dwelling species and basically breed and enhance them, until they discover fire. And, after long experimentations (cephalopods are fascinated by fire), they discover metals. Tin, copper, bronze, iron.



      At this point the exoskeletons will be made of metal struts and mother-of-pearl, and by the time they discover space travel, chances are that they're mostly using battery-powered exoskeletons.



      Unless there is some non-technological way of achieving space travel, I'd expect exoskeletons to pre-date space travels by a very large margin.






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      • Why cant the ask any of the other space faring civilizations for the exoskeleton?
        – Soan
        yesterday






      • 3




        I love the idea of custom built mother-of-pearl suits.
        – Cyn
        yesterday






      • 1




        Interesting the symbiosis between the water and earth civilizations, the first possess a much more developed brain and tecnology and the seccond are free from water and have good hands
        – Igor Novelli
        22 hours ago










      • I’ve just got an image of an octopus using razor clams as stilts...
        – Joe Bloggs
        21 hours ago










      • @JoeBloggs well, they wouldn't lean on the cutting bits :-) . They'd build hollow tubes with joints and levers, and pour inside.
        – LSerni
        21 hours ago














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      The problem lies in how and what to build the exoskeleton out of.



      Cephalopods are not really as dexterous as humans are; they might use something like chopsticks, made of crab's claws or something similar, for the fine manipulation.



      Underwater, no metallurgy is possible, and very little chemistry, since water is so good a solvent.



      Once they realise they need the exoskeleton trick, or the necessity of some kind of artificial implements, I think the best route left to our cephalopods might be to breed clams to produce mother-of-pearl and aragonite shapes, and others to dissolve them or weld them together. Then, they can start making exoskeletons out of interlocking, welded mother-of-pearl parts.



      I fear it will be a long and frustrating road.



      Then, they meet the land-dwelling species and basically breed and enhance them, until they discover fire. And, after long experimentations (cephalopods are fascinated by fire), they discover metals. Tin, copper, bronze, iron.



      At this point the exoskeletons will be made of metal struts and mother-of-pearl, and by the time they discover space travel, chances are that they're mostly using battery-powered exoskeletons.



      Unless there is some non-technological way of achieving space travel, I'd expect exoskeletons to pre-date space travels by a very large margin.






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      The problem lies in how and what to build the exoskeleton out of.



      Cephalopods are not really as dexterous as humans are; they might use something like chopsticks, made of crab's claws or something similar, for the fine manipulation.



      Underwater, no metallurgy is possible, and very little chemistry, since water is so good a solvent.



      Once they realise they need the exoskeleton trick, or the necessity of some kind of artificial implements, I think the best route left to our cephalopods might be to breed clams to produce mother-of-pearl and aragonite shapes, and others to dissolve them or weld them together. Then, they can start making exoskeletons out of interlocking, welded mother-of-pearl parts.



      I fear it will be a long and frustrating road.



      Then, they meet the land-dwelling species and basically breed and enhance them, until they discover fire. And, after long experimentations (cephalopods are fascinated by fire), they discover metals. Tin, copper, bronze, iron.



      At this point the exoskeletons will be made of metal struts and mother-of-pearl, and by the time they discover space travel, chances are that they're mostly using battery-powered exoskeletons.



      Unless there is some non-technological way of achieving space travel, I'd expect exoskeletons to pre-date space travels by a very large margin.







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      • Why cant the ask any of the other space faring civilizations for the exoskeleton?
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        I love the idea of custom built mother-of-pearl suits.
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        Interesting the symbiosis between the water and earth civilizations, the first possess a much more developed brain and tecnology and the seccond are free from water and have good hands
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        22 hours ago










      • I’ve just got an image of an octopus using razor clams as stilts...
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      • @JoeBloggs well, they wouldn't lean on the cutting bits :-) . They'd build hollow tubes with joints and levers, and pour inside.
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      • Why cant the ask any of the other space faring civilizations for the exoskeleton?
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        Interesting the symbiosis between the water and earth civilizations, the first possess a much more developed brain and tecnology and the seccond are free from water and have good hands
        – Igor Novelli
        22 hours ago










      • I’ve just got an image of an octopus using razor clams as stilts...
        – Joe Bloggs
        21 hours ago










      • @JoeBloggs well, they wouldn't lean on the cutting bits :-) . They'd build hollow tubes with joints and levers, and pour inside.
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        21 hours ago
















      Why cant the ask any of the other space faring civilizations for the exoskeleton?
      – Soan
      yesterday




      Why cant the ask any of the other space faring civilizations for the exoskeleton?
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      yesterday




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      I love the idea of custom built mother-of-pearl suits.
      – Cyn
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      I love the idea of custom built mother-of-pearl suits.
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      Interesting the symbiosis between the water and earth civilizations, the first possess a much more developed brain and tecnology and the seccond are free from water and have good hands
      – Igor Novelli
      22 hours ago




      Interesting the symbiosis between the water and earth civilizations, the first possess a much more developed brain and tecnology and the seccond are free from water and have good hands
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      22 hours ago












      I’ve just got an image of an octopus using razor clams as stilts...
      – Joe Bloggs
      21 hours ago




      I’ve just got an image of an octopus using razor clams as stilts...
      – Joe Bloggs
      21 hours ago












      @JoeBloggs well, they wouldn't lean on the cutting bits :-) . They'd build hollow tubes with joints and levers, and pour inside.
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      21 hours ago




      @JoeBloggs well, they wouldn't lean on the cutting bits :-) . They'd build hollow tubes with joints and levers, and pour inside.
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      I don't see why this wouldn't be feasible. The simplest incarnation of some sort of exoskeleton would probably just be a few strong sticks that the cephalopod grasps with its tentacles. It wouldn't be that different from how we use crutches or stilts to lift ourselves. If the cephalopods are anything like what we have on Earth they should have no trouble wrapping their tentacles around a piece of wood or metal and lifting their own body weight without any additional mechanical help. Using four tentacles to grab four walking sticks would still leave an eight-tentacled cephalopod with plenty of appendages for holding and grabbing and manipulating its surroundings.






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        The image of octopuses on stilts is delightful. It also isn't too different from my own idea of a stone age suit equivalent that uses thick marine mammal bones and seal or shark skin straps to tie it all together and support the alien.
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      I don't see why this wouldn't be feasible. The simplest incarnation of some sort of exoskeleton would probably just be a few strong sticks that the cephalopod grasps with its tentacles. It wouldn't be that different from how we use crutches or stilts to lift ourselves. If the cephalopods are anything like what we have on Earth they should have no trouble wrapping their tentacles around a piece of wood or metal and lifting their own body weight without any additional mechanical help. Using four tentacles to grab four walking sticks would still leave an eight-tentacled cephalopod with plenty of appendages for holding and grabbing and manipulating its surroundings.






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        The image of octopuses on stilts is delightful. It also isn't too different from my own idea of a stone age suit equivalent that uses thick marine mammal bones and seal or shark skin straps to tie it all together and support the alien.
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      I don't see why this wouldn't be feasible. The simplest incarnation of some sort of exoskeleton would probably just be a few strong sticks that the cephalopod grasps with its tentacles. It wouldn't be that different from how we use crutches or stilts to lift ourselves. If the cephalopods are anything like what we have on Earth they should have no trouble wrapping their tentacles around a piece of wood or metal and lifting their own body weight without any additional mechanical help. Using four tentacles to grab four walking sticks would still leave an eight-tentacled cephalopod with plenty of appendages for holding and grabbing and manipulating its surroundings.






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      I don't see why this wouldn't be feasible. The simplest incarnation of some sort of exoskeleton would probably just be a few strong sticks that the cephalopod grasps with its tentacles. It wouldn't be that different from how we use crutches or stilts to lift ourselves. If the cephalopods are anything like what we have on Earth they should have no trouble wrapping their tentacles around a piece of wood or metal and lifting their own body weight without any additional mechanical help. Using four tentacles to grab four walking sticks would still leave an eight-tentacled cephalopod with plenty of appendages for holding and grabbing and manipulating its surroundings.







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        The image of octopuses on stilts is delightful. It also isn't too different from my own idea of a stone age suit equivalent that uses thick marine mammal bones and seal or shark skin straps to tie it all together and support the alien.
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        The image of octopuses on stilts is delightful. It also isn't too different from my own idea of a stone age suit equivalent that uses thick marine mammal bones and seal or shark skin straps to tie it all together and support the alien.
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        yesterday








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      The image of octopuses on stilts is delightful. It also isn't too different from my own idea of a stone age suit equivalent that uses thick marine mammal bones and seal or shark skin straps to tie it all together and support the alien.
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      yesterday




      The image of octopuses on stilts is delightful. It also isn't too different from my own idea of a stone age suit equivalent that uses thick marine mammal bones and seal or shark skin straps to tie it all together and support the alien.
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      I am surprised that no one has suggested this yet. If your cephalopods can build interplanetary travelling ships, they can build mechas.



      Let's see the sharks try and 1-up this!



      Advantages:




      • More powerful than a mere exoskeleton;

      • Can attach big guns;

      • Water reservoir makes you buoyant and therefore more comfortable in higher gravities than just being exposed to dry air;

      • Water reservoir cushions against high accelerations and falls;

      • And, most specially, Rule of Cool™.






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      I am surprised that no one has suggested this yet. If your cephalopods can build interplanetary travelling ships, they can build mechas.



      Let's see the sharks try and 1-up this!



      Advantages:




      • More powerful than a mere exoskeleton;

      • Can attach big guns;

      • Water reservoir makes you buoyant and therefore more comfortable in higher gravities than just being exposed to dry air;

      • Water reservoir cushions against high accelerations and falls;

      • And, most specially, Rule of Cool™.






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      I am surprised that no one has suggested this yet. If your cephalopods can build interplanetary travelling ships, they can build mechas.



      Let's see the sharks try and 1-up this!



      Advantages:




      • More powerful than a mere exoskeleton;

      • Can attach big guns;

      • Water reservoir makes you buoyant and therefore more comfortable in higher gravities than just being exposed to dry air;

      • Water reservoir cushions against high accelerations and falls;

      • And, most specially, Rule of Cool™.






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      I am surprised that no one has suggested this yet. If your cephalopods can build interplanetary travelling ships, they can build mechas.



      Let's see the sharks try and 1-up this!



      Advantages:




      • More powerful than a mere exoskeleton;

      • Can attach big guns;

      • Water reservoir makes you buoyant and therefore more comfortable in higher gravities than just being exposed to dry air;

      • Water reservoir cushions against high accelerations and falls;

      • And, most specially, Rule of Cool™.







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      • You're pretty much describing a Dalek. It fails at the non-powered test though.
        – Alchymist
        14 hours ago










      • you're suggesting to use sword instead of needle, but ok.
        – Vivek Kumar
        11 hours ago


















      • You're pretty much describing a Dalek. It fails at the non-powered test though.
        – Alchymist
        14 hours ago










      • you're suggesting to use sword instead of needle, but ok.
        – Vivek Kumar
        11 hours ago
















      You're pretty much describing a Dalek. It fails at the non-powered test though.
      – Alchymist
      14 hours ago




      You're pretty much describing a Dalek. It fails at the non-powered test though.
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      you're suggesting to use sword instead of needle, but ok.
      – Vivek Kumar
      11 hours ago




      you're suggesting to use sword instead of needle, but ok.
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      Yes it would work with three things to consider:





      • Stability The cephalopods will probably have to learn for months how to use the exoskeleton without falling over. For varying steepness and such they will probably need a year or even more.


      • Oxygen They somehow need access to oxygen while on land which probably requires something like water tanks attached around them or something similar.


      • Water The inside of the exoskeleton needs water to keep them nice and wet and prvent drying out.






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        Yes it would work with three things to consider:





        • Stability The cephalopods will probably have to learn for months how to use the exoskeleton without falling over. For varying steepness and such they will probably need a year or even more.


        • Oxygen They somehow need access to oxygen while on land which probably requires something like water tanks attached around them or something similar.


        • Water The inside of the exoskeleton needs water to keep them nice and wet and prvent drying out.






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          Yes it would work with three things to consider:





          • Stability The cephalopods will probably have to learn for months how to use the exoskeleton without falling over. For varying steepness and such they will probably need a year or even more.


          • Oxygen They somehow need access to oxygen while on land which probably requires something like water tanks attached around them or something similar.


          • Water The inside of the exoskeleton needs water to keep them nice and wet and prvent drying out.






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          • Stability The cephalopods will probably have to learn for months how to use the exoskeleton without falling over. For varying steepness and such they will probably need a year or even more.


          • Oxygen They somehow need access to oxygen while on land which probably requires something like water tanks attached around them or something similar.


          • Water The inside of the exoskeleton needs water to keep them nice and wet and prvent drying out.







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              This species, early in their history, would have to develop an understanding that their advancement is limited by their environment.
              By saying the world is mostly covered in oceans, I would assume that there is some dry land somewhere. Around that dry land, a branch of this species would develop a form of amphibious abilities or tactics to crawl on land to develop the technologies to gain an advantage over other species or their own kind. This would be metallurgy and chemistry as others have pointed out that would be difficult (not necessarily impossible) to develop. They may have got an understanding of metallurgy around geothermal vents. needing a safer place to advance this ideas, the land and air would be the solution. The race that either develops the strength to crawl on land or develop a crude tool to assist them, such as an exoskeleton or crutches.
              The race that manage to get on shore would become the dominate society and what ever method they used to accomplish this would be further developed and improved on over t






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                This species, early in their history, would have to develop an understanding that their advancement is limited by their environment.
                By saying the world is mostly covered in oceans, I would assume that there is some dry land somewhere. Around that dry land, a branch of this species would develop a form of amphibious abilities or tactics to crawl on land to develop the technologies to gain an advantage over other species or their own kind. This would be metallurgy and chemistry as others have pointed out that would be difficult (not necessarily impossible) to develop. They may have got an understanding of metallurgy around geothermal vents. needing a safer place to advance this ideas, the land and air would be the solution. The race that either develops the strength to crawl on land or develop a crude tool to assist them, such as an exoskeleton or crutches.
                The race that manage to get on shore would become the dominate society and what ever method they used to accomplish this would be further developed and improved on over t






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                  This species, early in their history, would have to develop an understanding that their advancement is limited by their environment.
                  By saying the world is mostly covered in oceans, I would assume that there is some dry land somewhere. Around that dry land, a branch of this species would develop a form of amphibious abilities or tactics to crawl on land to develop the technologies to gain an advantage over other species or their own kind. This would be metallurgy and chemistry as others have pointed out that would be difficult (not necessarily impossible) to develop. They may have got an understanding of metallurgy around geothermal vents. needing a safer place to advance this ideas, the land and air would be the solution. The race that either develops the strength to crawl on land or develop a crude tool to assist them, such as an exoskeleton or crutches.
                  The race that manage to get on shore would become the dominate society and what ever method they used to accomplish this would be further developed and improved on over t






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                  By saying the world is mostly covered in oceans, I would assume that there is some dry land somewhere. Around that dry land, a branch of this species would develop a form of amphibious abilities or tactics to crawl on land to develop the technologies to gain an advantage over other species or their own kind. This would be metallurgy and chemistry as others have pointed out that would be difficult (not necessarily impossible) to develop. They may have got an understanding of metallurgy around geothermal vents. needing a safer place to advance this ideas, the land and air would be the solution. The race that either develops the strength to crawl on land or develop a crude tool to assist them, such as an exoskeleton or crutches.
                  The race that manage to get on shore would become the dominate society and what ever method they used to accomplish this would be further developed and improved on over t







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                      This is not natural for cephalopodes. Wikipedia said they have no conception of form. They like to hide in spots, liquidly filling them. The idea of becaming connected rigidly to some carcass should probably sound horryfying to them. Cephalopode in exoskeleton is a crucified cephalopode.



                      They also have taste organs in their tentacles. I don't think they'll like to always taste their exoskeletons.



                      Also I believe the muscles in their tentacles should work in some other way. They are not adopted to the kind of work needed to move the skeleton.



                      In principle, they could evolve to live with an exoskeleton, but it should require a lot of effort and time.






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                      • I'd argue humans do a great many things that aren't natural for them in the name of convenience. Climbing into metal death machines. Wearing suits of metal that are heavy, hot, and uncomfortable. Even wearing clothes when it's hot out because we're embarrassed. So long as the suits are a convenient way to adapt to their ally's living spaces I don't see why one wouldn't put in the time and effort to learn how to pilot one. So long as it is bio-mechanically feasible.
                        – MetalJimmor
                        18 hours ago










                      • Wearing clothes is not that unnatural for humans. It is more like "Why wouldn't humans live in the deep ocean always wearing hi-pressure water suits?" But even more, I think of "Human Centipede" type of unnaturality. Cephalopods should feel very uncomfortable when fixed to anythong rigid. Their muscles should change completely so they are not cephalopods anymore. And for what purpose? Does is worth it?
                        – Sergey Kirienko
                        17 hours ago










                      • You seem to be thinking they never leave the exoskeleton after getting in. Think of it more like a human putting on their hi-pressure water suits when they need to go underwater. The cephalopods would climb into their exoskeletons when it is time to interact with their surface allies.
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                      This is not natural for cephalopodes. Wikipedia said they have no conception of form. They like to hide in spots, liquidly filling them. The idea of becaming connected rigidly to some carcass should probably sound horryfying to them. Cephalopode in exoskeleton is a crucified cephalopode.



                      They also have taste organs in their tentacles. I don't think they'll like to always taste their exoskeletons.



                      Also I believe the muscles in their tentacles should work in some other way. They are not adopted to the kind of work needed to move the skeleton.



                      In principle, they could evolve to live with an exoskeleton, but it should require a lot of effort and time.






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                      • I'd argue humans do a great many things that aren't natural for them in the name of convenience. Climbing into metal death machines. Wearing suits of metal that are heavy, hot, and uncomfortable. Even wearing clothes when it's hot out because we're embarrassed. So long as the suits are a convenient way to adapt to their ally's living spaces I don't see why one wouldn't put in the time and effort to learn how to pilot one. So long as it is bio-mechanically feasible.
                        – MetalJimmor
                        18 hours ago










                      • Wearing clothes is not that unnatural for humans. It is more like "Why wouldn't humans live in the deep ocean always wearing hi-pressure water suits?" But even more, I think of "Human Centipede" type of unnaturality. Cephalopods should feel very uncomfortable when fixed to anythong rigid. Their muscles should change completely so they are not cephalopods anymore. And for what purpose? Does is worth it?
                        – Sergey Kirienko
                        17 hours ago










                      • You seem to be thinking they never leave the exoskeleton after getting in. Think of it more like a human putting on their hi-pressure water suits when they need to go underwater. The cephalopods would climb into their exoskeletons when it is time to interact with their surface allies.
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                      This is not natural for cephalopodes. Wikipedia said they have no conception of form. They like to hide in spots, liquidly filling them. The idea of becaming connected rigidly to some carcass should probably sound horryfying to them. Cephalopode in exoskeleton is a crucified cephalopode.



                      They also have taste organs in their tentacles. I don't think they'll like to always taste their exoskeletons.



                      Also I believe the muscles in their tentacles should work in some other way. They are not adopted to the kind of work needed to move the skeleton.



                      In principle, they could evolve to live with an exoskeleton, but it should require a lot of effort and time.






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                      This is not natural for cephalopodes. Wikipedia said they have no conception of form. They like to hide in spots, liquidly filling them. The idea of becaming connected rigidly to some carcass should probably sound horryfying to them. Cephalopode in exoskeleton is a crucified cephalopode.



                      They also have taste organs in their tentacles. I don't think they'll like to always taste their exoskeletons.



                      Also I believe the muscles in their tentacles should work in some other way. They are not adopted to the kind of work needed to move the skeleton.



                      In principle, they could evolve to live with an exoskeleton, but it should require a lot of effort and time.







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                      • I'd argue humans do a great many things that aren't natural for them in the name of convenience. Climbing into metal death machines. Wearing suits of metal that are heavy, hot, and uncomfortable. Even wearing clothes when it's hot out because we're embarrassed. So long as the suits are a convenient way to adapt to their ally's living spaces I don't see why one wouldn't put in the time and effort to learn how to pilot one. So long as it is bio-mechanically feasible.
                        – MetalJimmor
                        18 hours ago










                      • Wearing clothes is not that unnatural for humans. It is more like "Why wouldn't humans live in the deep ocean always wearing hi-pressure water suits?" But even more, I think of "Human Centipede" type of unnaturality. Cephalopods should feel very uncomfortable when fixed to anythong rigid. Their muscles should change completely so they are not cephalopods anymore. And for what purpose? Does is worth it?
                        – Sergey Kirienko
                        17 hours ago










                      • You seem to be thinking they never leave the exoskeleton after getting in. Think of it more like a human putting on their hi-pressure water suits when they need to go underwater. The cephalopods would climb into their exoskeletons when it is time to interact with their surface allies.
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                        17 hours ago










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                      • I'd argue humans do a great many things that aren't natural for them in the name of convenience. Climbing into metal death machines. Wearing suits of metal that are heavy, hot, and uncomfortable. Even wearing clothes when it's hot out because we're embarrassed. So long as the suits are a convenient way to adapt to their ally's living spaces I don't see why one wouldn't put in the time and effort to learn how to pilot one. So long as it is bio-mechanically feasible.
                        – MetalJimmor
                        18 hours ago










                      • Wearing clothes is not that unnatural for humans. It is more like "Why wouldn't humans live in the deep ocean always wearing hi-pressure water suits?" But even more, I think of "Human Centipede" type of unnaturality. Cephalopods should feel very uncomfortable when fixed to anythong rigid. Their muscles should change completely so they are not cephalopods anymore. And for what purpose? Does is worth it?
                        – Sergey Kirienko
                        17 hours ago










                      • You seem to be thinking they never leave the exoskeleton after getting in. Think of it more like a human putting on their hi-pressure water suits when they need to go underwater. The cephalopods would climb into their exoskeletons when it is time to interact with their surface allies.
                        – MetalJimmor
                        17 hours ago










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                        – Sergey Kirienko
                        17 hours ago
















                      I'd argue humans do a great many things that aren't natural for them in the name of convenience. Climbing into metal death machines. Wearing suits of metal that are heavy, hot, and uncomfortable. Even wearing clothes when it's hot out because we're embarrassed. So long as the suits are a convenient way to adapt to their ally's living spaces I don't see why one wouldn't put in the time and effort to learn how to pilot one. So long as it is bio-mechanically feasible.
                      – MetalJimmor
                      18 hours ago




                      I'd argue humans do a great many things that aren't natural for them in the name of convenience. Climbing into metal death machines. Wearing suits of metal that are heavy, hot, and uncomfortable. Even wearing clothes when it's hot out because we're embarrassed. So long as the suits are a convenient way to adapt to their ally's living spaces I don't see why one wouldn't put in the time and effort to learn how to pilot one. So long as it is bio-mechanically feasible.
                      – MetalJimmor
                      18 hours ago












                      Wearing clothes is not that unnatural for humans. It is more like "Why wouldn't humans live in the deep ocean always wearing hi-pressure water suits?" But even more, I think of "Human Centipede" type of unnaturality. Cephalopods should feel very uncomfortable when fixed to anythong rigid. Their muscles should change completely so they are not cephalopods anymore. And for what purpose? Does is worth it?
                      – Sergey Kirienko
                      17 hours ago




                      Wearing clothes is not that unnatural for humans. It is more like "Why wouldn't humans live in the deep ocean always wearing hi-pressure water suits?" But even more, I think of "Human Centipede" type of unnaturality. Cephalopods should feel very uncomfortable when fixed to anythong rigid. Their muscles should change completely so they are not cephalopods anymore. And for what purpose? Does is worth it?
                      – Sergey Kirienko
                      17 hours ago












                      You seem to be thinking they never leave the exoskeleton after getting in. Think of it more like a human putting on their hi-pressure water suits when they need to go underwater. The cephalopods would climb into their exoskeletons when it is time to interact with their surface allies.
                      – MetalJimmor
                      17 hours ago




                      You seem to be thinking they never leave the exoskeleton after getting in. Think of it more like a human putting on their hi-pressure water suits when they need to go underwater. The cephalopods would climb into their exoskeletons when it is time to interact with their surface allies.
                      – MetalJimmor
                      17 hours ago












                      Like a bycicle for humans?
                      – Sergey Kirienko
                      17 hours ago




                      Like a bycicle for humans?
                      – Sergey Kirienko
                      17 hours ago











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                      Give your exoskeleton hydraulics



                      Cephalopodes are squishy. Like, really squishy. That's how they're able to squeeze through just about any hole. Because of this, a cephalopod isn't really well suited for a rigid exoskeleton.



                      However, they are well suited for a hydraulic suit. Besides, what better way to direct energy for a sea-dwelling creature than water? Since hydraulics are pretty robust, there isn't necessarily a shape the suit has to be, but for familiarity's sake lets make it humanoid. For this, the best design is what we know best: humans. The suit would need some sort of internal skeleton for support, and each muscle could be replicated with a hydraulic cylinder.



                      Wrap the whole thing up in a flexible outer layer aaaaand, that's pretty much it!



                      Octopodes are unexpectedly strong (see #4). That means your octopode could control the entire suit from just one small area; it doesn't matter where. It could be the torso, the head, it could even be an arm! The most ingenious species in the galaxy certainly could work out the hydraulics from any point in the suit. For example's sake, lets use the head. Your octopode's entire body will be there. Then, attach a hydraulic hose from each cylinder to a connection at the head, and your octopode should be able to control their entire suit from their dark, damp, enclosed area. Any octopode's dream home!



                      If your octopode wanted to straighten their arm, all they'd have to do is extend their "bicep" cylinder and retract their "tricep" cylinder. That's how we do it, after all; we just have fibers transferring the energy instead of water. Retracting cylinders shouldn't be any more difficult than extending for them, because their suckers are pretty darn strong too.



                      In addition to being strong, octopodes can control their individual suckers with remarkable precision. That lets them make large movements with their tentacles, while fine movements (such as fingers) could be powered with their suckers.



                      Lastly, since the octopode isn't actually in most of the suit, it's got a great escape mechanism: if a limb is threatened, just lose it! In our example, if the threat was big enough, our octopode could even just pop the head off the suit and scamper away.






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                      • I like this suggestion. It is a good way to get more out of the alien's energy input without outright needing to burn a fuel source, which keeps it a fairly cheap way to move around in the land dweller's crude, barbaric work spaces and use their poorly conceived tools.
                        – MetalJimmor
                        4 hours ago
















                      1














                      Give your exoskeleton hydraulics



                      Cephalopodes are squishy. Like, really squishy. That's how they're able to squeeze through just about any hole. Because of this, a cephalopod isn't really well suited for a rigid exoskeleton.



                      However, they are well suited for a hydraulic suit. Besides, what better way to direct energy for a sea-dwelling creature than water? Since hydraulics are pretty robust, there isn't necessarily a shape the suit has to be, but for familiarity's sake lets make it humanoid. For this, the best design is what we know best: humans. The suit would need some sort of internal skeleton for support, and each muscle could be replicated with a hydraulic cylinder.



                      Wrap the whole thing up in a flexible outer layer aaaaand, that's pretty much it!



                      Octopodes are unexpectedly strong (see #4). That means your octopode could control the entire suit from just one small area; it doesn't matter where. It could be the torso, the head, it could even be an arm! The most ingenious species in the galaxy certainly could work out the hydraulics from any point in the suit. For example's sake, lets use the head. Your octopode's entire body will be there. Then, attach a hydraulic hose from each cylinder to a connection at the head, and your octopode should be able to control their entire suit from their dark, damp, enclosed area. Any octopode's dream home!



                      If your octopode wanted to straighten their arm, all they'd have to do is extend their "bicep" cylinder and retract their "tricep" cylinder. That's how we do it, after all; we just have fibers transferring the energy instead of water. Retracting cylinders shouldn't be any more difficult than extending for them, because their suckers are pretty darn strong too.



                      In addition to being strong, octopodes can control their individual suckers with remarkable precision. That lets them make large movements with their tentacles, while fine movements (such as fingers) could be powered with their suckers.



                      Lastly, since the octopode isn't actually in most of the suit, it's got a great escape mechanism: if a limb is threatened, just lose it! In our example, if the threat was big enough, our octopode could even just pop the head off the suit and scamper away.






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                      • I like this suggestion. It is a good way to get more out of the alien's energy input without outright needing to burn a fuel source, which keeps it a fairly cheap way to move around in the land dweller's crude, barbaric work spaces and use their poorly conceived tools.
                        – MetalJimmor
                        4 hours ago














                      1












                      1








                      1






                      Give your exoskeleton hydraulics



                      Cephalopodes are squishy. Like, really squishy. That's how they're able to squeeze through just about any hole. Because of this, a cephalopod isn't really well suited for a rigid exoskeleton.



                      However, they are well suited for a hydraulic suit. Besides, what better way to direct energy for a sea-dwelling creature than water? Since hydraulics are pretty robust, there isn't necessarily a shape the suit has to be, but for familiarity's sake lets make it humanoid. For this, the best design is what we know best: humans. The suit would need some sort of internal skeleton for support, and each muscle could be replicated with a hydraulic cylinder.



                      Wrap the whole thing up in a flexible outer layer aaaaand, that's pretty much it!



                      Octopodes are unexpectedly strong (see #4). That means your octopode could control the entire suit from just one small area; it doesn't matter where. It could be the torso, the head, it could even be an arm! The most ingenious species in the galaxy certainly could work out the hydraulics from any point in the suit. For example's sake, lets use the head. Your octopode's entire body will be there. Then, attach a hydraulic hose from each cylinder to a connection at the head, and your octopode should be able to control their entire suit from their dark, damp, enclosed area. Any octopode's dream home!



                      If your octopode wanted to straighten their arm, all they'd have to do is extend their "bicep" cylinder and retract their "tricep" cylinder. That's how we do it, after all; we just have fibers transferring the energy instead of water. Retracting cylinders shouldn't be any more difficult than extending for them, because their suckers are pretty darn strong too.



                      In addition to being strong, octopodes can control their individual suckers with remarkable precision. That lets them make large movements with their tentacles, while fine movements (such as fingers) could be powered with their suckers.



                      Lastly, since the octopode isn't actually in most of the suit, it's got a great escape mechanism: if a limb is threatened, just lose it! In our example, if the threat was big enough, our octopode could even just pop the head off the suit and scamper away.






                      share|improve this answer














                      Give your exoskeleton hydraulics



                      Cephalopodes are squishy. Like, really squishy. That's how they're able to squeeze through just about any hole. Because of this, a cephalopod isn't really well suited for a rigid exoskeleton.



                      However, they are well suited for a hydraulic suit. Besides, what better way to direct energy for a sea-dwelling creature than water? Since hydraulics are pretty robust, there isn't necessarily a shape the suit has to be, but for familiarity's sake lets make it humanoid. For this, the best design is what we know best: humans. The suit would need some sort of internal skeleton for support, and each muscle could be replicated with a hydraulic cylinder.



                      Wrap the whole thing up in a flexible outer layer aaaaand, that's pretty much it!



                      Octopodes are unexpectedly strong (see #4). That means your octopode could control the entire suit from just one small area; it doesn't matter where. It could be the torso, the head, it could even be an arm! The most ingenious species in the galaxy certainly could work out the hydraulics from any point in the suit. For example's sake, lets use the head. Your octopode's entire body will be there. Then, attach a hydraulic hose from each cylinder to a connection at the head, and your octopode should be able to control their entire suit from their dark, damp, enclosed area. Any octopode's dream home!



                      If your octopode wanted to straighten their arm, all they'd have to do is extend their "bicep" cylinder and retract their "tricep" cylinder. That's how we do it, after all; we just have fibers transferring the energy instead of water. Retracting cylinders shouldn't be any more difficult than extending for them, because their suckers are pretty darn strong too.



                      In addition to being strong, octopodes can control their individual suckers with remarkable precision. That lets them make large movements with their tentacles, while fine movements (such as fingers) could be powered with their suckers.



                      Lastly, since the octopode isn't actually in most of the suit, it's got a great escape mechanism: if a limb is threatened, just lose it! In our example, if the threat was big enough, our octopode could even just pop the head off the suit and scamper away.







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                      • I like this suggestion. It is a good way to get more out of the alien's energy input without outright needing to burn a fuel source, which keeps it a fairly cheap way to move around in the land dweller's crude, barbaric work spaces and use their poorly conceived tools.
                        – MetalJimmor
                        4 hours ago


















                      • I like this suggestion. It is a good way to get more out of the alien's energy input without outright needing to burn a fuel source, which keeps it a fairly cheap way to move around in the land dweller's crude, barbaric work spaces and use their poorly conceived tools.
                        – MetalJimmor
                        4 hours ago
















                      I like this suggestion. It is a good way to get more out of the alien's energy input without outright needing to burn a fuel source, which keeps it a fairly cheap way to move around in the land dweller's crude, barbaric work spaces and use their poorly conceived tools.
                      – MetalJimmor
                      4 hours ago




                      I like this suggestion. It is a good way to get more out of the alien's energy input without outright needing to burn a fuel source, which keeps it a fairly cheap way to move around in the land dweller's crude, barbaric work spaces and use their poorly conceived tools.
                      – MetalJimmor
                      4 hours ago


















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