Can the alpha, lambda values of a glmnet object output determine whether ridge or Lasso?












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Given a glmnet object using train() where trControl method is "cv" and number of iterations is 5, I obtained that the bestTune alpha and lambda values are alpha=0.1 and lambda= 0.007688342. On running the glmnet object, I notice that the alpha values start from 0.1.
Can the inference here be that the method used is Lasso and not ridge because of the non-negative alpha value?



In general, can the values of alpha, lambda indicate which model is being used?






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    Given a glmnet object using train() where trControl method is "cv" and number of iterations is 5, I obtained that the bestTune alpha and lambda values are alpha=0.1 and lambda= 0.007688342. On running the glmnet object, I notice that the alpha values start from 0.1.
    Can the inference here be that the method used is Lasso and not ridge because of the non-negative alpha value?



    In general, can the values of alpha, lambda indicate which model is being used?






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      Given a glmnet object using train() where trControl method is "cv" and number of iterations is 5, I obtained that the bestTune alpha and lambda values are alpha=0.1 and lambda= 0.007688342. On running the glmnet object, I notice that the alpha values start from 0.1.
      Can the inference here be that the method used is Lasso and not ridge because of the non-negative alpha value?



      In general, can the values of alpha, lambda indicate which model is being used?






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      Given a glmnet object using train() where trControl method is "cv" and number of iterations is 5, I obtained that the bestTune alpha and lambda values are alpha=0.1 and lambda= 0.007688342. On running the glmnet object, I notice that the alpha values start from 0.1.
      Can the inference here be that the method used is Lasso and not ridge because of the non-negative alpha value?



      In general, can the values of alpha, lambda indicate which model is being used?






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          As far as I understand glmnet, $alpha=0$ would actually be a ridge penalty, and $alpha=1$ would be a Lasso penalty (rather than the other way around) and as far as glmnet is concerned you can fit those end cases.



          The penalty with $alpha=0.1$ would be fairly similar to the ridge penalty but it is not the ridge penalty; if it's not considering $alpha$ below $0.1$ you can't necessarily infer much more than that just from the fact that you had that endpoint. If you know that an $alpha$ value that was only slightly larger was worse then it would be likely that a larger range might have chosen a smaller $alpha$, but it doesn't suggest it would have been $0$; I expect it would not. If the grid of values is coarse it may well have been that a larger value than $0.1$ would be better.



          [You may want to check whether there was some other reason that $alpha$ might have been at an endpoint; e.g. I seem to recall $lambda$ got set to an endpoint in forecasting if coefficients for lambdaOpt were not saved.]






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            Absolutely! The $alpha$ parameter can be adjusted to either fit a Lasso or a Ridge regression (or something in between). Recall that the loss function which Elastic Net minimizes is $$frac{1}{2N}sum^N_{i=1}(y_i-beta_0-x_i^tbeta)^2+lambdasum_{j=1}^p(frac{1}{2}(1-alpha)beta_j^2+alpha|beta_j|).$$
            Focus on the second big sum (the one multiplied by $lambda$). If you let $alpha=1$, the first term inside this sum becomes $0$, and the whole function becomes exactly the function that Lasso minimizes (or the Lasso loss function). If you let $alpha=0$, the second term becomes $0$ and you are left with Ridge.



            You can check the loss for Ridge and Lasso in this book and for elastic net in this paper.






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            As far as I understand glmnet, $alpha=0$ would actually be a ridge penalty, and $alpha=1$ would be a Lasso penalty (rather than the other way around) and as far as glmnet is concerned you can fit those end cases.



            The penalty with $alpha=0.1$ would be fairly similar to the ridge penalty but it is not the ridge penalty; if it's not considering $alpha$ below $0.1$ you can't necessarily infer much more than that just from the fact that you had that endpoint. If you know that an $alpha$ value that was only slightly larger was worse then it would be likely that a larger range might have chosen a smaller $alpha$, but it doesn't suggest it would have been $0$; I expect it would not. If the grid of values is coarse it may well have been that a larger value than $0.1$ would be better.



            [You may want to check whether there was some other reason that $alpha$ might have been at an endpoint; e.g. I seem to recall $lambda$ got set to an endpoint in forecasting if coefficients for lambdaOpt were not saved.]






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              As far as I understand glmnet, $alpha=0$ would actually be a ridge penalty, and $alpha=1$ would be a Lasso penalty (rather than the other way around) and as far as glmnet is concerned you can fit those end cases.



              The penalty with $alpha=0.1$ would be fairly similar to the ridge penalty but it is not the ridge penalty; if it's not considering $alpha$ below $0.1$ you can't necessarily infer much more than that just from the fact that you had that endpoint. If you know that an $alpha$ value that was only slightly larger was worse then it would be likely that a larger range might have chosen a smaller $alpha$, but it doesn't suggest it would have been $0$; I expect it would not. If the grid of values is coarse it may well have been that a larger value than $0.1$ would be better.



              [You may want to check whether there was some other reason that $alpha$ might have been at an endpoint; e.g. I seem to recall $lambda$ got set to an endpoint in forecasting if coefficients for lambdaOpt were not saved.]






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                As far as I understand glmnet, $alpha=0$ would actually be a ridge penalty, and $alpha=1$ would be a Lasso penalty (rather than the other way around) and as far as glmnet is concerned you can fit those end cases.



                The penalty with $alpha=0.1$ would be fairly similar to the ridge penalty but it is not the ridge penalty; if it's not considering $alpha$ below $0.1$ you can't necessarily infer much more than that just from the fact that you had that endpoint. If you know that an $alpha$ value that was only slightly larger was worse then it would be likely that a larger range might have chosen a smaller $alpha$, but it doesn't suggest it would have been $0$; I expect it would not. If the grid of values is coarse it may well have been that a larger value than $0.1$ would be better.



                [You may want to check whether there was some other reason that $alpha$ might have been at an endpoint; e.g. I seem to recall $lambda$ got set to an endpoint in forecasting if coefficients for lambdaOpt were not saved.]






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                As far as I understand glmnet, $alpha=0$ would actually be a ridge penalty, and $alpha=1$ would be a Lasso penalty (rather than the other way around) and as far as glmnet is concerned you can fit those end cases.



                The penalty with $alpha=0.1$ would be fairly similar to the ridge penalty but it is not the ridge penalty; if it's not considering $alpha$ below $0.1$ you can't necessarily infer much more than that just from the fact that you had that endpoint. If you know that an $alpha$ value that was only slightly larger was worse then it would be likely that a larger range might have chosen a smaller $alpha$, but it doesn't suggest it would have been $0$; I expect it would not. If the grid of values is coarse it may well have been that a larger value than $0.1$ would be better.



                [You may want to check whether there was some other reason that $alpha$ might have been at an endpoint; e.g. I seem to recall $lambda$ got set to an endpoint in forecasting if coefficients for lambdaOpt were not saved.]







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                    Absolutely! The $alpha$ parameter can be adjusted to either fit a Lasso or a Ridge regression (or something in between). Recall that the loss function which Elastic Net minimizes is $$frac{1}{2N}sum^N_{i=1}(y_i-beta_0-x_i^tbeta)^2+lambdasum_{j=1}^p(frac{1}{2}(1-alpha)beta_j^2+alpha|beta_j|).$$
                    Focus on the second big sum (the one multiplied by $lambda$). If you let $alpha=1$, the first term inside this sum becomes $0$, and the whole function becomes exactly the function that Lasso minimizes (or the Lasso loss function). If you let $alpha=0$, the second term becomes $0$ and you are left with Ridge.



                    You can check the loss for Ridge and Lasso in this book and for elastic net in this paper.






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                    Absolutely! The $alpha$ parameter can be adjusted to either fit a Lasso or a Ridge regression (or something in between). Recall that the loss function which Elastic Net minimizes is $$frac{1}{2N}sum^N_{i=1}(y_i-beta_0-x_i^tbeta)^2+lambdasum_{j=1}^p(frac{1}{2}(1-alpha)beta_j^2+alpha|beta_j|).$$
                    Focus on the second big sum (the one multiplied by $lambda$). If you let $alpha=1$, the first term inside this sum becomes $0$, and the whole function becomes exactly the function that Lasso minimizes (or the Lasso loss function). If you let $alpha=0$, the second term becomes $0$ and you are left with Ridge.



                    You can check the loss for Ridge and Lasso in this book and for elastic net in this paper.






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                    Absolutely! The $alpha$ parameter can be adjusted to either fit a Lasso or a Ridge regression (or something in between). Recall that the loss function which Elastic Net minimizes is $$frac{1}{2N}sum^N_{i=1}(y_i-beta_0-x_i^tbeta)^2+lambdasum_{j=1}^p(frac{1}{2}(1-alpha)beta_j^2+alpha|beta_j|).$$
                    Focus on the second big sum (the one multiplied by $lambda$). If you let $alpha=1$, the first term inside this sum becomes $0$, and the whole function becomes exactly the function that Lasso minimizes (or the Lasso loss function). If you let $alpha=0$, the second term becomes $0$ and you are left with Ridge.



                    You can check the loss for Ridge and Lasso in this book and for elastic net in this paper.






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                    Absolutely! The $alpha$ parameter can be adjusted to either fit a Lasso or a Ridge regression (or something in between). Recall that the loss function which Elastic Net minimizes is $$frac{1}{2N}sum^N_{i=1}(y_i-beta_0-x_i^tbeta)^2+lambdasum_{j=1}^p(frac{1}{2}(1-alpha)beta_j^2+alpha|beta_j|).$$
                    Focus on the second big sum (the one multiplied by $lambda$). If you let $alpha=1$, the first term inside this sum becomes $0$, and the whole function becomes exactly the function that Lasso minimizes (or the Lasso loss function). If you let $alpha=0$, the second term becomes $0$ and you are left with Ridge.



                    You can check the loss for Ridge and Lasso in this book and for elastic net in this paper.







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