How do you respond to a colleague from another team when they're wrongly expecting that you'll help them?
Here's the situation. There is a person on Team X. They share some hardware that I also work on.
They're trying to create a setup for something and struggling big time with it. It's none of my business, but I know that they are struggling. And on a couple of occasions they ping me asking for details about that machine's setup. Whenever they quiz me on something I provide the answers. But over time, I feel like helping them.
So finally, I ask them how their work is going because I know that they're struggling with it. They tell me their problem and I give them a solution. And what follows is a surprise. They start throwing their problems at me one after another. There's no please, or gratitude. In fact, it appears that they're speaking to me as if it is my job to solve their problems.
In the ongoing discussion I get the impression that they're turning around their problems into "I don't know the setup on this machine, but it's your job and you have to help me out with this" and "I need to do X for this setup, so how do I do it?" rather than searching for their own solutions.
I help out whatever I can and end the conversation. I get the feeling that they don't want to put effort in figuring out how to go about doing stuff which is easily google-able.
At the end she says "I'm going to bug you again tomorrow".
How can I communicate that I just went out of my way to help them, and they took my help for granted and that I will not be helping them again tomorrow?
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Here's the situation. There is a person on Team X. They share some hardware that I also work on.
They're trying to create a setup for something and struggling big time with it. It's none of my business, but I know that they are struggling. And on a couple of occasions they ping me asking for details about that machine's setup. Whenever they quiz me on something I provide the answers. But over time, I feel like helping them.
So finally, I ask them how their work is going because I know that they're struggling with it. They tell me their problem and I give them a solution. And what follows is a surprise. They start throwing their problems at me one after another. There's no please, or gratitude. In fact, it appears that they're speaking to me as if it is my job to solve their problems.
In the ongoing discussion I get the impression that they're turning around their problems into "I don't know the setup on this machine, but it's your job and you have to help me out with this" and "I need to do X for this setup, so how do I do it?" rather than searching for their own solutions.
I help out whatever I can and end the conversation. I get the feeling that they don't want to put effort in figuring out how to go about doing stuff which is easily google-able.
At the end she says "I'm going to bug you again tomorrow".
How can I communicate that I just went out of my way to help them, and they took my help for granted and that I will not be helping them again tomorrow?
communication work-environment colleagues collaboration helping
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Talk to your manager maybe?
– newguy
13 hours ago
11
It's not about what you want :) It's about what your boss/company wants you to do.
– Gregory Currie
13 hours ago
8
@Mugen You did nothing wrong. Initially, you tried helping them, now what they are expecting is spoon-feeding, or, getting their work done by you. That is not acceptable. Feel free to inform your manager of this.
– Sourav Ghosh
12 hours ago
7
You look at their problem for 2 minutes, then say "Sorry, Don't know how to do that, you need to work on it yourself".
– Solar Mike
12 hours ago
5
"They already spent 4 days struggling with this issue. I'm pretty sure that I would be able to solve any kind of setup issues within a day" - so unless you're being paid more than 4 times their combined salary, it seems like it would save the company quite some money if you just did that setup instead... That's just some simple math, there are other factors, but its an angle to consider.
– R. Schmitz
10 hours ago
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Here's the situation. There is a person on Team X. They share some hardware that I also work on.
They're trying to create a setup for something and struggling big time with it. It's none of my business, but I know that they are struggling. And on a couple of occasions they ping me asking for details about that machine's setup. Whenever they quiz me on something I provide the answers. But over time, I feel like helping them.
So finally, I ask them how their work is going because I know that they're struggling with it. They tell me their problem and I give them a solution. And what follows is a surprise. They start throwing their problems at me one after another. There's no please, or gratitude. In fact, it appears that they're speaking to me as if it is my job to solve their problems.
In the ongoing discussion I get the impression that they're turning around their problems into "I don't know the setup on this machine, but it's your job and you have to help me out with this" and "I need to do X for this setup, so how do I do it?" rather than searching for their own solutions.
I help out whatever I can and end the conversation. I get the feeling that they don't want to put effort in figuring out how to go about doing stuff which is easily google-able.
At the end she says "I'm going to bug you again tomorrow".
How can I communicate that I just went out of my way to help them, and they took my help for granted and that I will not be helping them again tomorrow?
communication work-environment colleagues collaboration helping
Here's the situation. There is a person on Team X. They share some hardware that I also work on.
They're trying to create a setup for something and struggling big time with it. It's none of my business, but I know that they are struggling. And on a couple of occasions they ping me asking for details about that machine's setup. Whenever they quiz me on something I provide the answers. But over time, I feel like helping them.
So finally, I ask them how their work is going because I know that they're struggling with it. They tell me their problem and I give them a solution. And what follows is a surprise. They start throwing their problems at me one after another. There's no please, or gratitude. In fact, it appears that they're speaking to me as if it is my job to solve their problems.
In the ongoing discussion I get the impression that they're turning around their problems into "I don't know the setup on this machine, but it's your job and you have to help me out with this" and "I need to do X for this setup, so how do I do it?" rather than searching for their own solutions.
I help out whatever I can and end the conversation. I get the feeling that they don't want to put effort in figuring out how to go about doing stuff which is easily google-able.
At the end she says "I'm going to bug you again tomorrow".
How can I communicate that I just went out of my way to help them, and they took my help for granted and that I will not be helping them again tomorrow?
communication work-environment colleagues collaboration helping
communication work-environment colleagues collaboration helping
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Talk to your manager maybe?
– newguy
13 hours ago
11
It's not about what you want :) It's about what your boss/company wants you to do.
– Gregory Currie
13 hours ago
8
@Mugen You did nothing wrong. Initially, you tried helping them, now what they are expecting is spoon-feeding, or, getting their work done by you. That is not acceptable. Feel free to inform your manager of this.
– Sourav Ghosh
12 hours ago
7
You look at their problem for 2 minutes, then say "Sorry, Don't know how to do that, you need to work on it yourself".
– Solar Mike
12 hours ago
5
"They already spent 4 days struggling with this issue. I'm pretty sure that I would be able to solve any kind of setup issues within a day" - so unless you're being paid more than 4 times their combined salary, it seems like it would save the company quite some money if you just did that setup instead... That's just some simple math, there are other factors, but its an angle to consider.
– R. Schmitz
10 hours ago
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show 9 more comments
7
Talk to your manager maybe?
– newguy
13 hours ago
11
It's not about what you want :) It's about what your boss/company wants you to do.
– Gregory Currie
13 hours ago
8
@Mugen You did nothing wrong. Initially, you tried helping them, now what they are expecting is spoon-feeding, or, getting their work done by you. That is not acceptable. Feel free to inform your manager of this.
– Sourav Ghosh
12 hours ago
7
You look at their problem for 2 minutes, then say "Sorry, Don't know how to do that, you need to work on it yourself".
– Solar Mike
12 hours ago
5
"They already spent 4 days struggling with this issue. I'm pretty sure that I would be able to solve any kind of setup issues within a day" - so unless you're being paid more than 4 times their combined salary, it seems like it would save the company quite some money if you just did that setup instead... That's just some simple math, there are other factors, but its an angle to consider.
– R. Schmitz
10 hours ago
7
7
Talk to your manager maybe?
– newguy
13 hours ago
Talk to your manager maybe?
– newguy
13 hours ago
11
11
It's not about what you want :) It's about what your boss/company wants you to do.
– Gregory Currie
13 hours ago
It's not about what you want :) It's about what your boss/company wants you to do.
– Gregory Currie
13 hours ago
8
8
@Mugen You did nothing wrong. Initially, you tried helping them, now what they are expecting is spoon-feeding, or, getting their work done by you. That is not acceptable. Feel free to inform your manager of this.
– Sourav Ghosh
12 hours ago
@Mugen You did nothing wrong. Initially, you tried helping them, now what they are expecting is spoon-feeding, or, getting their work done by you. That is not acceptable. Feel free to inform your manager of this.
– Sourav Ghosh
12 hours ago
7
7
You look at their problem for 2 minutes, then say "Sorry, Don't know how to do that, you need to work on it yourself".
– Solar Mike
12 hours ago
You look at their problem for 2 minutes, then say "Sorry, Don't know how to do that, you need to work on it yourself".
– Solar Mike
12 hours ago
5
5
"They already spent 4 days struggling with this issue. I'm pretty sure that I would be able to solve any kind of setup issues within a day" - so unless you're being paid more than 4 times their combined salary, it seems like it would save the company quite some money if you just did that setup instead... That's just some simple math, there are other factors, but its an angle to consider.
– R. Schmitz
10 hours ago
"They already spent 4 days struggling with this issue. I'm pretty sure that I would be able to solve any kind of setup issues within a day" - so unless you're being paid more than 4 times their combined salary, it seems like it would save the company quite some money if you just did that setup instead... That's just some simple math, there are other factors, but its an angle to consider.
– R. Schmitz
10 hours ago
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You should speak to the person:
"Hey listen, I understand you got this problem, but I have this other assignment which is expected out of me. If you feel you are really stuck and can't progress without assistance, speak to your manager and they should be able to sort something out for you"
If they keep bugging you, that's when you go to your own boss.
There is no harm in confessing you already helped them a little. But make sure you clearly explain how much time this person wants to take of yours.
5
This is the answer... Tell the person first, they may not even realise they're doing it. Then move on to your boss if they continue. No need to escalate immediately +1
– Twyxz
13 hours ago
3
I may have stolen some of it from @Sourav :D
– Gregory Currie
13 hours ago
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It's sad but true: people take the path of least resistance and effort needed.
If the repeated requests are taking up your work time in a way that makes completing your own work difficult, please be firm and straight about it and push back. Say something like:
"Hey listen, I understand you got this problem, but I have this other assignment which is expected out of me. If you feel you are really stuck and can't progress without some help, why don't you talk to your boss about the help you needed? I'm sure (s)he will understand and make the necessary arrangements for you to get help. In case I am the chosen one, I'll be glad to discuss the same with my boss and have the assignments allocated accordingly. Till then, I really need to get back to what I was doing, thanks."
The case sounds like, they just want to use you and your expertise for "free", without investing any effort from their side. The moment you bring up the point to make it official, you'll see either
They will stop asking for help every now and then and try to revert to doing the trials at least.
or, in case they already tried, they will make it an official request, for which you'll be assigned the work officially.
@GregoryCurrie I feel that that makes more sense. However, I'm not sure how to bring it up into words.
– Mugen
13 hours ago
1
@Mugen OK, so let me add to that.
– Sourav Ghosh
13 hours ago
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Ask your manager what he or she wants you to do.
Obviously helping out another team is going to take time, particularly if they have an ongoing set of problems. It's going to cut into whatever else you are working on. It's your manager's job to decide whether you should take that time or not.
Talk to your manager, without bringing up the attitude of the other team or the other manager. Just lay it out... you've spent this amount of time so far, you think it will take this much more time, and likely there will be additional issues that will require more time. Should you break off what you are working on and help out the other team?
Your manager gets to decide, and is also up to date on how the schedule is impacted. And if the answer is "no", your manager is the one who talks to the other team's manager and lets them know you aren't available.
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This! This is the correct answer here. Saying "No" or "Yes" is wrong, because you're making a judgement call you're not in a position to make. Because this isn't really "Should you be spending X hours helping person Y" but "Should you be spending X hours getting project Z off the ground." And your manager is the one that needs to be making that decision. As someone who has often assisted other groups on tasks that are not at all related to my usual duties, I can tell you this: sometimes what you're asked to help with is surprisingly more important than the rest of the stuff on your plate.
– Kevin
9 hours ago
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Presumably the OP has had tasks already allocated to them?
– Gregory Currie
8 hours ago
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@GregoryCurrie Exactly. If the OP helps the other team, his tasks are going to fall behind. It's his manager's call as to whether that's ok or not.
– DaveG
8 hours ago
My point is, the employee knows what their job is. Presumably if their tasks have changed, their boss would have let them know. It's not a judgement call to decline to help someone with their work if you've been told what you should do already.
– Gregory Currie
7 hours ago
2
@GregoryCurrie - the problem with that logic is: it assumes the importance of the OP's tasks and the Requester's tasks. If the manager hasn't been asked or apprised of the situation, it's entirely possible they would respond, "Oh, Project XYZ? Yeah, that's a corporate level task - that has to be finished by end of year. Give Pat all the assistance they need, I'll understand if your other tasks slip because of it." Might not be likely, but the priorities are set by management. Saying "No" or "Yes" without getting their input isn't smart.
– Kevin
7 hours ago
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"Sorry, I'm busy with task X"
Don't elaborate. You want to keep the conversation firmly grounded in the current reality and avoid any comments that give credence to the idea that you might be in some way involved in their project (e.g. "I don't want to help this person who could use google" implies that you could or should help them).
If you are later accused of being unhelpful then stick to this line. Don't refuse to help, just say that you tried to help but felt obliged to prioritise your own work. i.e. to do the thing you were told to do.
Ultimately you might be tasked with babysitting the person but you can and should make them go through formal channels to request the babysitting.
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I would take a couple approaches at the same time:
- First, teach her to find her own answers. This may seem odd and "not my job" but it's a way to help others help themselves and take some of the burden off of you to fix all their problems. Ask questions like, "What did you find when you googled that error message?", "Have you googled how to configure X?", etc. Given time, that will train others that you expect that before they ask you a question, they will do at least some initial research and won't receive help from you until they do.
Second, put the responsibility back on her and explain (briefly) why.
When I helped you before, I had hoped to offer a few quick tips to get you unstuck. I'm sorry I can't be more help but I haven't been tasked by my manager to help with your project and don't have more time to spend on it without my manager's approval.
At this point I think you can go a few ways, you can 1. approach your manager to ask for time to help, 2. put it back on her to ask your manager if you can help her, or 3. just leave it there.
If she persists, talk to your manager. Explain your initial attempts to help but that you don't have the kind of time to spend on a regular, ongoing basis to help her. That said... be prepared for your manager to say to help her. In that case I would stick to #1 but help after a reasonable effort has been put into finding a solution.
+1 for having a manager decide how much time to invest in helping her. There's always a chance that the work she's doing actually is more important than what you're doing and it's in the company's best interest for you to drop what you're doing and help her see her task through to completion. But because that affects your ability to deliver on your commitments, that's a decision your manager needs to make.
– aleppke
5 hours ago
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This is a case where corporate bureaucracy can be your friend.
Them: How to I check if a file exists?
You: Great question. If you need our teams input, create a Task in Company Task App so my manager can put it in my queue. Thanks!
This is perfect. You can also have a team secret flag like "High priority" which the teams reads as "Don't worry about this", but keeps the other team from bugging you because they think you are doing your best to work on it.
– aidan.plenert.macdonald
4 hours ago
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You should speak to the person:
"Hey listen, I understand you got this problem, but I have this other assignment which is expected out of me. If you feel you are really stuck and can't progress without assistance, speak to your manager and they should be able to sort something out for you"
If they keep bugging you, that's when you go to your own boss.
There is no harm in confessing you already helped them a little. But make sure you clearly explain how much time this person wants to take of yours.
5
This is the answer... Tell the person first, they may not even realise they're doing it. Then move on to your boss if they continue. No need to escalate immediately +1
– Twyxz
13 hours ago
3
I may have stolen some of it from @Sourav :D
– Gregory Currie
13 hours ago
add a comment |
You should speak to the person:
"Hey listen, I understand you got this problem, but I have this other assignment which is expected out of me. If you feel you are really stuck and can't progress without assistance, speak to your manager and they should be able to sort something out for you"
If they keep bugging you, that's when you go to your own boss.
There is no harm in confessing you already helped them a little. But make sure you clearly explain how much time this person wants to take of yours.
5
This is the answer... Tell the person first, they may not even realise they're doing it. Then move on to your boss if they continue. No need to escalate immediately +1
– Twyxz
13 hours ago
3
I may have stolen some of it from @Sourav :D
– Gregory Currie
13 hours ago
add a comment |
You should speak to the person:
"Hey listen, I understand you got this problem, but I have this other assignment which is expected out of me. If you feel you are really stuck and can't progress without assistance, speak to your manager and they should be able to sort something out for you"
If they keep bugging you, that's when you go to your own boss.
There is no harm in confessing you already helped them a little. But make sure you clearly explain how much time this person wants to take of yours.
You should speak to the person:
"Hey listen, I understand you got this problem, but I have this other assignment which is expected out of me. If you feel you are really stuck and can't progress without assistance, speak to your manager and they should be able to sort something out for you"
If they keep bugging you, that's when you go to your own boss.
There is no harm in confessing you already helped them a little. But make sure you clearly explain how much time this person wants to take of yours.
answered 13 hours ago
Gregory CurrieGregory Currie
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This is the answer... Tell the person first, they may not even realise they're doing it. Then move on to your boss if they continue. No need to escalate immediately +1
– Twyxz
13 hours ago
3
I may have stolen some of it from @Sourav :D
– Gregory Currie
13 hours ago
add a comment |
5
This is the answer... Tell the person first, they may not even realise they're doing it. Then move on to your boss if they continue. No need to escalate immediately +1
– Twyxz
13 hours ago
3
I may have stolen some of it from @Sourav :D
– Gregory Currie
13 hours ago
5
5
This is the answer... Tell the person first, they may not even realise they're doing it. Then move on to your boss if they continue. No need to escalate immediately +1
– Twyxz
13 hours ago
This is the answer... Tell the person first, they may not even realise they're doing it. Then move on to your boss if they continue. No need to escalate immediately +1
– Twyxz
13 hours ago
3
3
I may have stolen some of it from @Sourav :D
– Gregory Currie
13 hours ago
I may have stolen some of it from @Sourav :D
– Gregory Currie
13 hours ago
add a comment |
It's sad but true: people take the path of least resistance and effort needed.
If the repeated requests are taking up your work time in a way that makes completing your own work difficult, please be firm and straight about it and push back. Say something like:
"Hey listen, I understand you got this problem, but I have this other assignment which is expected out of me. If you feel you are really stuck and can't progress without some help, why don't you talk to your boss about the help you needed? I'm sure (s)he will understand and make the necessary arrangements for you to get help. In case I am the chosen one, I'll be glad to discuss the same with my boss and have the assignments allocated accordingly. Till then, I really need to get back to what I was doing, thanks."
The case sounds like, they just want to use you and your expertise for "free", without investing any effort from their side. The moment you bring up the point to make it official, you'll see either
They will stop asking for help every now and then and try to revert to doing the trials at least.
or, in case they already tried, they will make it an official request, for which you'll be assigned the work officially.
@GregoryCurrie I feel that that makes more sense. However, I'm not sure how to bring it up into words.
– Mugen
13 hours ago
1
@Mugen OK, so let me add to that.
– Sourav Ghosh
13 hours ago
add a comment |
It's sad but true: people take the path of least resistance and effort needed.
If the repeated requests are taking up your work time in a way that makes completing your own work difficult, please be firm and straight about it and push back. Say something like:
"Hey listen, I understand you got this problem, but I have this other assignment which is expected out of me. If you feel you are really stuck and can't progress without some help, why don't you talk to your boss about the help you needed? I'm sure (s)he will understand and make the necessary arrangements for you to get help. In case I am the chosen one, I'll be glad to discuss the same with my boss and have the assignments allocated accordingly. Till then, I really need to get back to what I was doing, thanks."
The case sounds like, they just want to use you and your expertise for "free", without investing any effort from their side. The moment you bring up the point to make it official, you'll see either
They will stop asking for help every now and then and try to revert to doing the trials at least.
or, in case they already tried, they will make it an official request, for which you'll be assigned the work officially.
@GregoryCurrie I feel that that makes more sense. However, I'm not sure how to bring it up into words.
– Mugen
13 hours ago
1
@Mugen OK, so let me add to that.
– Sourav Ghosh
13 hours ago
add a comment |
It's sad but true: people take the path of least resistance and effort needed.
If the repeated requests are taking up your work time in a way that makes completing your own work difficult, please be firm and straight about it and push back. Say something like:
"Hey listen, I understand you got this problem, but I have this other assignment which is expected out of me. If you feel you are really stuck and can't progress without some help, why don't you talk to your boss about the help you needed? I'm sure (s)he will understand and make the necessary arrangements for you to get help. In case I am the chosen one, I'll be glad to discuss the same with my boss and have the assignments allocated accordingly. Till then, I really need to get back to what I was doing, thanks."
The case sounds like, they just want to use you and your expertise for "free", without investing any effort from their side. The moment you bring up the point to make it official, you'll see either
They will stop asking for help every now and then and try to revert to doing the trials at least.
or, in case they already tried, they will make it an official request, for which you'll be assigned the work officially.
It's sad but true: people take the path of least resistance and effort needed.
If the repeated requests are taking up your work time in a way that makes completing your own work difficult, please be firm and straight about it and push back. Say something like:
"Hey listen, I understand you got this problem, but I have this other assignment which is expected out of me. If you feel you are really stuck and can't progress without some help, why don't you talk to your boss about the help you needed? I'm sure (s)he will understand and make the necessary arrangements for you to get help. In case I am the chosen one, I'll be glad to discuss the same with my boss and have the assignments allocated accordingly. Till then, I really need to get back to what I was doing, thanks."
The case sounds like, they just want to use you and your expertise for "free", without investing any effort from their side. The moment you bring up the point to make it official, you'll see either
They will stop asking for help every now and then and try to revert to doing the trials at least.
or, in case they already tried, they will make it an official request, for which you'll be assigned the work officially.
edited 12 hours ago
answered 13 hours ago
Sourav GhoshSourav Ghosh
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@GregoryCurrie I feel that that makes more sense. However, I'm not sure how to bring it up into words.
– Mugen
13 hours ago
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@Mugen OK, so let me add to that.
– Sourav Ghosh
13 hours ago
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@GregoryCurrie I feel that that makes more sense. However, I'm not sure how to bring it up into words.
– Mugen
13 hours ago
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@Mugen OK, so let me add to that.
– Sourav Ghosh
13 hours ago
@GregoryCurrie I feel that that makes more sense. However, I'm not sure how to bring it up into words.
– Mugen
13 hours ago
@GregoryCurrie I feel that that makes more sense. However, I'm not sure how to bring it up into words.
– Mugen
13 hours ago
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@Mugen OK, so let me add to that.
– Sourav Ghosh
13 hours ago
@Mugen OK, so let me add to that.
– Sourav Ghosh
13 hours ago
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Ask your manager what he or she wants you to do.
Obviously helping out another team is going to take time, particularly if they have an ongoing set of problems. It's going to cut into whatever else you are working on. It's your manager's job to decide whether you should take that time or not.
Talk to your manager, without bringing up the attitude of the other team or the other manager. Just lay it out... you've spent this amount of time so far, you think it will take this much more time, and likely there will be additional issues that will require more time. Should you break off what you are working on and help out the other team?
Your manager gets to decide, and is also up to date on how the schedule is impacted. And if the answer is "no", your manager is the one who talks to the other team's manager and lets them know you aren't available.
2
This! This is the correct answer here. Saying "No" or "Yes" is wrong, because you're making a judgement call you're not in a position to make. Because this isn't really "Should you be spending X hours helping person Y" but "Should you be spending X hours getting project Z off the ground." And your manager is the one that needs to be making that decision. As someone who has often assisted other groups on tasks that are not at all related to my usual duties, I can tell you this: sometimes what you're asked to help with is surprisingly more important than the rest of the stuff on your plate.
– Kevin
9 hours ago
1
Presumably the OP has had tasks already allocated to them?
– Gregory Currie
8 hours ago
1
@GregoryCurrie Exactly. If the OP helps the other team, his tasks are going to fall behind. It's his manager's call as to whether that's ok or not.
– DaveG
8 hours ago
My point is, the employee knows what their job is. Presumably if their tasks have changed, their boss would have let them know. It's not a judgement call to decline to help someone with their work if you've been told what you should do already.
– Gregory Currie
7 hours ago
2
@GregoryCurrie - the problem with that logic is: it assumes the importance of the OP's tasks and the Requester's tasks. If the manager hasn't been asked or apprised of the situation, it's entirely possible they would respond, "Oh, Project XYZ? Yeah, that's a corporate level task - that has to be finished by end of year. Give Pat all the assistance they need, I'll understand if your other tasks slip because of it." Might not be likely, but the priorities are set by management. Saying "No" or "Yes" without getting their input isn't smart.
– Kevin
7 hours ago
add a comment |
Ask your manager what he or she wants you to do.
Obviously helping out another team is going to take time, particularly if they have an ongoing set of problems. It's going to cut into whatever else you are working on. It's your manager's job to decide whether you should take that time or not.
Talk to your manager, without bringing up the attitude of the other team or the other manager. Just lay it out... you've spent this amount of time so far, you think it will take this much more time, and likely there will be additional issues that will require more time. Should you break off what you are working on and help out the other team?
Your manager gets to decide, and is also up to date on how the schedule is impacted. And if the answer is "no", your manager is the one who talks to the other team's manager and lets them know you aren't available.
2
This! This is the correct answer here. Saying "No" or "Yes" is wrong, because you're making a judgement call you're not in a position to make. Because this isn't really "Should you be spending X hours helping person Y" but "Should you be spending X hours getting project Z off the ground." And your manager is the one that needs to be making that decision. As someone who has often assisted other groups on tasks that are not at all related to my usual duties, I can tell you this: sometimes what you're asked to help with is surprisingly more important than the rest of the stuff on your plate.
– Kevin
9 hours ago
1
Presumably the OP has had tasks already allocated to them?
– Gregory Currie
8 hours ago
1
@GregoryCurrie Exactly. If the OP helps the other team, his tasks are going to fall behind. It's his manager's call as to whether that's ok or not.
– DaveG
8 hours ago
My point is, the employee knows what their job is. Presumably if their tasks have changed, their boss would have let them know. It's not a judgement call to decline to help someone with their work if you've been told what you should do already.
– Gregory Currie
7 hours ago
2
@GregoryCurrie - the problem with that logic is: it assumes the importance of the OP's tasks and the Requester's tasks. If the manager hasn't been asked or apprised of the situation, it's entirely possible they would respond, "Oh, Project XYZ? Yeah, that's a corporate level task - that has to be finished by end of year. Give Pat all the assistance they need, I'll understand if your other tasks slip because of it." Might not be likely, but the priorities are set by management. Saying "No" or "Yes" without getting their input isn't smart.
– Kevin
7 hours ago
add a comment |
Ask your manager what he or she wants you to do.
Obviously helping out another team is going to take time, particularly if they have an ongoing set of problems. It's going to cut into whatever else you are working on. It's your manager's job to decide whether you should take that time or not.
Talk to your manager, without bringing up the attitude of the other team or the other manager. Just lay it out... you've spent this amount of time so far, you think it will take this much more time, and likely there will be additional issues that will require more time. Should you break off what you are working on and help out the other team?
Your manager gets to decide, and is also up to date on how the schedule is impacted. And if the answer is "no", your manager is the one who talks to the other team's manager and lets them know you aren't available.
Ask your manager what he or she wants you to do.
Obviously helping out another team is going to take time, particularly if they have an ongoing set of problems. It's going to cut into whatever else you are working on. It's your manager's job to decide whether you should take that time or not.
Talk to your manager, without bringing up the attitude of the other team or the other manager. Just lay it out... you've spent this amount of time so far, you think it will take this much more time, and likely there will be additional issues that will require more time. Should you break off what you are working on and help out the other team?
Your manager gets to decide, and is also up to date on how the schedule is impacted. And if the answer is "no", your manager is the one who talks to the other team's manager and lets them know you aren't available.
answered 9 hours ago
DaveGDaveG
1,433515
1,433515
2
This! This is the correct answer here. Saying "No" or "Yes" is wrong, because you're making a judgement call you're not in a position to make. Because this isn't really "Should you be spending X hours helping person Y" but "Should you be spending X hours getting project Z off the ground." And your manager is the one that needs to be making that decision. As someone who has often assisted other groups on tasks that are not at all related to my usual duties, I can tell you this: sometimes what you're asked to help with is surprisingly more important than the rest of the stuff on your plate.
– Kevin
9 hours ago
1
Presumably the OP has had tasks already allocated to them?
– Gregory Currie
8 hours ago
1
@GregoryCurrie Exactly. If the OP helps the other team, his tasks are going to fall behind. It's his manager's call as to whether that's ok or not.
– DaveG
8 hours ago
My point is, the employee knows what their job is. Presumably if their tasks have changed, their boss would have let them know. It's not a judgement call to decline to help someone with their work if you've been told what you should do already.
– Gregory Currie
7 hours ago
2
@GregoryCurrie - the problem with that logic is: it assumes the importance of the OP's tasks and the Requester's tasks. If the manager hasn't been asked or apprised of the situation, it's entirely possible they would respond, "Oh, Project XYZ? Yeah, that's a corporate level task - that has to be finished by end of year. Give Pat all the assistance they need, I'll understand if your other tasks slip because of it." Might not be likely, but the priorities are set by management. Saying "No" or "Yes" without getting their input isn't smart.
– Kevin
7 hours ago
add a comment |
2
This! This is the correct answer here. Saying "No" or "Yes" is wrong, because you're making a judgement call you're not in a position to make. Because this isn't really "Should you be spending X hours helping person Y" but "Should you be spending X hours getting project Z off the ground." And your manager is the one that needs to be making that decision. As someone who has often assisted other groups on tasks that are not at all related to my usual duties, I can tell you this: sometimes what you're asked to help with is surprisingly more important than the rest of the stuff on your plate.
– Kevin
9 hours ago
1
Presumably the OP has had tasks already allocated to them?
– Gregory Currie
8 hours ago
1
@GregoryCurrie Exactly. If the OP helps the other team, his tasks are going to fall behind. It's his manager's call as to whether that's ok or not.
– DaveG
8 hours ago
My point is, the employee knows what their job is. Presumably if their tasks have changed, their boss would have let them know. It's not a judgement call to decline to help someone with their work if you've been told what you should do already.
– Gregory Currie
7 hours ago
2
@GregoryCurrie - the problem with that logic is: it assumes the importance of the OP's tasks and the Requester's tasks. If the manager hasn't been asked or apprised of the situation, it's entirely possible they would respond, "Oh, Project XYZ? Yeah, that's a corporate level task - that has to be finished by end of year. Give Pat all the assistance they need, I'll understand if your other tasks slip because of it." Might not be likely, but the priorities are set by management. Saying "No" or "Yes" without getting their input isn't smart.
– Kevin
7 hours ago
2
2
This! This is the correct answer here. Saying "No" or "Yes" is wrong, because you're making a judgement call you're not in a position to make. Because this isn't really "Should you be spending X hours helping person Y" but "Should you be spending X hours getting project Z off the ground." And your manager is the one that needs to be making that decision. As someone who has often assisted other groups on tasks that are not at all related to my usual duties, I can tell you this: sometimes what you're asked to help with is surprisingly more important than the rest of the stuff on your plate.
– Kevin
9 hours ago
This! This is the correct answer here. Saying "No" or "Yes" is wrong, because you're making a judgement call you're not in a position to make. Because this isn't really "Should you be spending X hours helping person Y" but "Should you be spending X hours getting project Z off the ground." And your manager is the one that needs to be making that decision. As someone who has often assisted other groups on tasks that are not at all related to my usual duties, I can tell you this: sometimes what you're asked to help with is surprisingly more important than the rest of the stuff on your plate.
– Kevin
9 hours ago
1
1
Presumably the OP has had tasks already allocated to them?
– Gregory Currie
8 hours ago
Presumably the OP has had tasks already allocated to them?
– Gregory Currie
8 hours ago
1
1
@GregoryCurrie Exactly. If the OP helps the other team, his tasks are going to fall behind. It's his manager's call as to whether that's ok or not.
– DaveG
8 hours ago
@GregoryCurrie Exactly. If the OP helps the other team, his tasks are going to fall behind. It's his manager's call as to whether that's ok or not.
– DaveG
8 hours ago
My point is, the employee knows what their job is. Presumably if their tasks have changed, their boss would have let them know. It's not a judgement call to decline to help someone with their work if you've been told what you should do already.
– Gregory Currie
7 hours ago
My point is, the employee knows what their job is. Presumably if their tasks have changed, their boss would have let them know. It's not a judgement call to decline to help someone with their work if you've been told what you should do already.
– Gregory Currie
7 hours ago
2
2
@GregoryCurrie - the problem with that logic is: it assumes the importance of the OP's tasks and the Requester's tasks. If the manager hasn't been asked or apprised of the situation, it's entirely possible they would respond, "Oh, Project XYZ? Yeah, that's a corporate level task - that has to be finished by end of year. Give Pat all the assistance they need, I'll understand if your other tasks slip because of it." Might not be likely, but the priorities are set by management. Saying "No" or "Yes" without getting their input isn't smart.
– Kevin
7 hours ago
@GregoryCurrie - the problem with that logic is: it assumes the importance of the OP's tasks and the Requester's tasks. If the manager hasn't been asked or apprised of the situation, it's entirely possible they would respond, "Oh, Project XYZ? Yeah, that's a corporate level task - that has to be finished by end of year. Give Pat all the assistance they need, I'll understand if your other tasks slip because of it." Might not be likely, but the priorities are set by management. Saying "No" or "Yes" without getting their input isn't smart.
– Kevin
7 hours ago
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"Sorry, I'm busy with task X"
Don't elaborate. You want to keep the conversation firmly grounded in the current reality and avoid any comments that give credence to the idea that you might be in some way involved in their project (e.g. "I don't want to help this person who could use google" implies that you could or should help them).
If you are later accused of being unhelpful then stick to this line. Don't refuse to help, just say that you tried to help but felt obliged to prioritise your own work. i.e. to do the thing you were told to do.
Ultimately you might be tasked with babysitting the person but you can and should make them go through formal channels to request the babysitting.
add a comment |
"Sorry, I'm busy with task X"
Don't elaborate. You want to keep the conversation firmly grounded in the current reality and avoid any comments that give credence to the idea that you might be in some way involved in their project (e.g. "I don't want to help this person who could use google" implies that you could or should help them).
If you are later accused of being unhelpful then stick to this line. Don't refuse to help, just say that you tried to help but felt obliged to prioritise your own work. i.e. to do the thing you were told to do.
Ultimately you might be tasked with babysitting the person but you can and should make them go through formal channels to request the babysitting.
add a comment |
"Sorry, I'm busy with task X"
Don't elaborate. You want to keep the conversation firmly grounded in the current reality and avoid any comments that give credence to the idea that you might be in some way involved in their project (e.g. "I don't want to help this person who could use google" implies that you could or should help them).
If you are later accused of being unhelpful then stick to this line. Don't refuse to help, just say that you tried to help but felt obliged to prioritise your own work. i.e. to do the thing you were told to do.
Ultimately you might be tasked with babysitting the person but you can and should make them go through formal channels to request the babysitting.
"Sorry, I'm busy with task X"
Don't elaborate. You want to keep the conversation firmly grounded in the current reality and avoid any comments that give credence to the idea that you might be in some way involved in their project (e.g. "I don't want to help this person who could use google" implies that you could or should help them).
If you are later accused of being unhelpful then stick to this line. Don't refuse to help, just say that you tried to help but felt obliged to prioritise your own work. i.e. to do the thing you were told to do.
Ultimately you might be tasked with babysitting the person but you can and should make them go through formal channels to request the babysitting.
edited 12 hours ago
answered 12 hours ago
P. HopkinsonP. Hopkinson
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I would take a couple approaches at the same time:
- First, teach her to find her own answers. This may seem odd and "not my job" but it's a way to help others help themselves and take some of the burden off of you to fix all their problems. Ask questions like, "What did you find when you googled that error message?", "Have you googled how to configure X?", etc. Given time, that will train others that you expect that before they ask you a question, they will do at least some initial research and won't receive help from you until they do.
Second, put the responsibility back on her and explain (briefly) why.
When I helped you before, I had hoped to offer a few quick tips to get you unstuck. I'm sorry I can't be more help but I haven't been tasked by my manager to help with your project and don't have more time to spend on it without my manager's approval.
At this point I think you can go a few ways, you can 1. approach your manager to ask for time to help, 2. put it back on her to ask your manager if you can help her, or 3. just leave it there.
If she persists, talk to your manager. Explain your initial attempts to help but that you don't have the kind of time to spend on a regular, ongoing basis to help her. That said... be prepared for your manager to say to help her. In that case I would stick to #1 but help after a reasonable effort has been put into finding a solution.
+1 for having a manager decide how much time to invest in helping her. There's always a chance that the work she's doing actually is more important than what you're doing and it's in the company's best interest for you to drop what you're doing and help her see her task through to completion. But because that affects your ability to deliver on your commitments, that's a decision your manager needs to make.
– aleppke
5 hours ago
add a comment |
I would take a couple approaches at the same time:
- First, teach her to find her own answers. This may seem odd and "not my job" but it's a way to help others help themselves and take some of the burden off of you to fix all their problems. Ask questions like, "What did you find when you googled that error message?", "Have you googled how to configure X?", etc. Given time, that will train others that you expect that before they ask you a question, they will do at least some initial research and won't receive help from you until they do.
Second, put the responsibility back on her and explain (briefly) why.
When I helped you before, I had hoped to offer a few quick tips to get you unstuck. I'm sorry I can't be more help but I haven't been tasked by my manager to help with your project and don't have more time to spend on it without my manager's approval.
At this point I think you can go a few ways, you can 1. approach your manager to ask for time to help, 2. put it back on her to ask your manager if you can help her, or 3. just leave it there.
If she persists, talk to your manager. Explain your initial attempts to help but that you don't have the kind of time to spend on a regular, ongoing basis to help her. That said... be prepared for your manager to say to help her. In that case I would stick to #1 but help after a reasonable effort has been put into finding a solution.
+1 for having a manager decide how much time to invest in helping her. There's always a chance that the work she's doing actually is more important than what you're doing and it's in the company's best interest for you to drop what you're doing and help her see her task through to completion. But because that affects your ability to deliver on your commitments, that's a decision your manager needs to make.
– aleppke
5 hours ago
add a comment |
I would take a couple approaches at the same time:
- First, teach her to find her own answers. This may seem odd and "not my job" but it's a way to help others help themselves and take some of the burden off of you to fix all their problems. Ask questions like, "What did you find when you googled that error message?", "Have you googled how to configure X?", etc. Given time, that will train others that you expect that before they ask you a question, they will do at least some initial research and won't receive help from you until they do.
Second, put the responsibility back on her and explain (briefly) why.
When I helped you before, I had hoped to offer a few quick tips to get you unstuck. I'm sorry I can't be more help but I haven't been tasked by my manager to help with your project and don't have more time to spend on it without my manager's approval.
At this point I think you can go a few ways, you can 1. approach your manager to ask for time to help, 2. put it back on her to ask your manager if you can help her, or 3. just leave it there.
If she persists, talk to your manager. Explain your initial attempts to help but that you don't have the kind of time to spend on a regular, ongoing basis to help her. That said... be prepared for your manager to say to help her. In that case I would stick to #1 but help after a reasonable effort has been put into finding a solution.
I would take a couple approaches at the same time:
- First, teach her to find her own answers. This may seem odd and "not my job" but it's a way to help others help themselves and take some of the burden off of you to fix all their problems. Ask questions like, "What did you find when you googled that error message?", "Have you googled how to configure X?", etc. Given time, that will train others that you expect that before they ask you a question, they will do at least some initial research and won't receive help from you until they do.
Second, put the responsibility back on her and explain (briefly) why.
When I helped you before, I had hoped to offer a few quick tips to get you unstuck. I'm sorry I can't be more help but I haven't been tasked by my manager to help with your project and don't have more time to spend on it without my manager's approval.
At this point I think you can go a few ways, you can 1. approach your manager to ask for time to help, 2. put it back on her to ask your manager if you can help her, or 3. just leave it there.
If she persists, talk to your manager. Explain your initial attempts to help but that you don't have the kind of time to spend on a regular, ongoing basis to help her. That said... be prepared for your manager to say to help her. In that case I would stick to #1 but help after a reasonable effort has been put into finding a solution.
answered 9 hours ago
JeffCJeffC
1,5591513
1,5591513
+1 for having a manager decide how much time to invest in helping her. There's always a chance that the work she's doing actually is more important than what you're doing and it's in the company's best interest for you to drop what you're doing and help her see her task through to completion. But because that affects your ability to deliver on your commitments, that's a decision your manager needs to make.
– aleppke
5 hours ago
add a comment |
+1 for having a manager decide how much time to invest in helping her. There's always a chance that the work she's doing actually is more important than what you're doing and it's in the company's best interest for you to drop what you're doing and help her see her task through to completion. But because that affects your ability to deliver on your commitments, that's a decision your manager needs to make.
– aleppke
5 hours ago
+1 for having a manager decide how much time to invest in helping her. There's always a chance that the work she's doing actually is more important than what you're doing and it's in the company's best interest for you to drop what you're doing and help her see her task through to completion. But because that affects your ability to deliver on your commitments, that's a decision your manager needs to make.
– aleppke
5 hours ago
+1 for having a manager decide how much time to invest in helping her. There's always a chance that the work she's doing actually is more important than what you're doing and it's in the company's best interest for you to drop what you're doing and help her see her task through to completion. But because that affects your ability to deliver on your commitments, that's a decision your manager needs to make.
– aleppke
5 hours ago
add a comment |
This is a case where corporate bureaucracy can be your friend.
Them: How to I check if a file exists?
You: Great question. If you need our teams input, create a Task in Company Task App so my manager can put it in my queue. Thanks!
This is perfect. You can also have a team secret flag like "High priority" which the teams reads as "Don't worry about this", but keeps the other team from bugging you because they think you are doing your best to work on it.
– aidan.plenert.macdonald
4 hours ago
add a comment |
This is a case where corporate bureaucracy can be your friend.
Them: How to I check if a file exists?
You: Great question. If you need our teams input, create a Task in Company Task App so my manager can put it in my queue. Thanks!
This is perfect. You can also have a team secret flag like "High priority" which the teams reads as "Don't worry about this", but keeps the other team from bugging you because they think you are doing your best to work on it.
– aidan.plenert.macdonald
4 hours ago
add a comment |
This is a case where corporate bureaucracy can be your friend.
Them: How to I check if a file exists?
You: Great question. If you need our teams input, create a Task in Company Task App so my manager can put it in my queue. Thanks!
This is a case where corporate bureaucracy can be your friend.
Them: How to I check if a file exists?
You: Great question. If you need our teams input, create a Task in Company Task App so my manager can put it in my queue. Thanks!
answered 6 hours ago
Johns-305Johns-305
4,42611019
4,42611019
This is perfect. You can also have a team secret flag like "High priority" which the teams reads as "Don't worry about this", but keeps the other team from bugging you because they think you are doing your best to work on it.
– aidan.plenert.macdonald
4 hours ago
add a comment |
This is perfect. You can also have a team secret flag like "High priority" which the teams reads as "Don't worry about this", but keeps the other team from bugging you because they think you are doing your best to work on it.
– aidan.plenert.macdonald
4 hours ago
This is perfect. You can also have a team secret flag like "High priority" which the teams reads as "Don't worry about this", but keeps the other team from bugging you because they think you are doing your best to work on it.
– aidan.plenert.macdonald
4 hours ago
This is perfect. You can also have a team secret flag like "High priority" which the teams reads as "Don't worry about this", but keeps the other team from bugging you because they think you are doing your best to work on it.
– aidan.plenert.macdonald
4 hours ago
add a comment |
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Talk to your manager maybe?
– newguy
13 hours ago
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It's not about what you want :) It's about what your boss/company wants you to do.
– Gregory Currie
13 hours ago
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@Mugen You did nothing wrong. Initially, you tried helping them, now what they are expecting is spoon-feeding, or, getting their work done by you. That is not acceptable. Feel free to inform your manager of this.
– Sourav Ghosh
12 hours ago
7
You look at their problem for 2 minutes, then say "Sorry, Don't know how to do that, you need to work on it yourself".
– Solar Mike
12 hours ago
5
"They already spent 4 days struggling with this issue. I'm pretty sure that I would be able to solve any kind of setup issues within a day" - so unless you're being paid more than 4 times their combined salary, it seems like it would save the company quite some money if you just did that setup instead... That's just some simple math, there are other factors, but its an angle to consider.
– R. Schmitz
10 hours ago