Where is the fallacy here?
Where is the fallacy here:
whatever is natural is not unnatural
whatever is unnatural is not natural
the phenomenon of cats being born into this world is natural
the phenomenon of rabbits being born into this world is not the phenomenon in point 3
Conclusion: the phenomenon of rabbits being born into this world is unnatural
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Where is the fallacy here:
whatever is natural is not unnatural
whatever is unnatural is not natural
the phenomenon of cats being born into this world is natural
the phenomenon of rabbits being born into this world is not the phenomenon in point 3
Conclusion: the phenomenon of rabbits being born into this world is unnatural
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Obviously not all cats are normal.
– Bread
4 hours ago
Assuming cats are normal: rabbits can also be normal without being cats.
– Bread
2 hours ago
@Bread - I did some edits.
– brilliant
2 hours ago
@brilliant My answer responds to your original post. I do not think that the edits change my answer.
– Mark Andrews
2 hours ago
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It is classically known as 'affirming the consequent'. It involves following an implication backward, or negating both sides of an implication and assuming the result is true. (The former form is 'arguing from the converse', this is the the second form 'arguing from the inverse'.) Even though "an A is an X" implies "any property P of an X is also that of an A', it does not mean that "an A is not an X" implies "any property P of X is not that of an A". Negation does not carry over that way.
– jobermark
1 hour ago
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Where is the fallacy here:
whatever is natural is not unnatural
whatever is unnatural is not natural
the phenomenon of cats being born into this world is natural
the phenomenon of rabbits being born into this world is not the phenomenon in point 3
Conclusion: the phenomenon of rabbits being born into this world is unnatural
logic
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Where is the fallacy here:
whatever is natural is not unnatural
whatever is unnatural is not natural
the phenomenon of cats being born into this world is natural
the phenomenon of rabbits being born into this world is not the phenomenon in point 3
Conclusion: the phenomenon of rabbits being born into this world is unnatural
logic
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Obviously not all cats are normal.
– Bread
4 hours ago
Assuming cats are normal: rabbits can also be normal without being cats.
– Bread
2 hours ago
@Bread - I did some edits.
– brilliant
2 hours ago
@brilliant My answer responds to your original post. I do not think that the edits change my answer.
– Mark Andrews
2 hours ago
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It is classically known as 'affirming the consequent'. It involves following an implication backward, or negating both sides of an implication and assuming the result is true. (The former form is 'arguing from the converse', this is the the second form 'arguing from the inverse'.) Even though "an A is an X" implies "any property P of an X is also that of an A', it does not mean that "an A is not an X" implies "any property P of X is not that of an A". Negation does not carry over that way.
– jobermark
1 hour ago
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Obviously not all cats are normal.
– Bread
4 hours ago
Assuming cats are normal: rabbits can also be normal without being cats.
– Bread
2 hours ago
@Bread - I did some edits.
– brilliant
2 hours ago
@brilliant My answer responds to your original post. I do not think that the edits change my answer.
– Mark Andrews
2 hours ago
1
It is classically known as 'affirming the consequent'. It involves following an implication backward, or negating both sides of an implication and assuming the result is true. (The former form is 'arguing from the converse', this is the the second form 'arguing from the inverse'.) Even though "an A is an X" implies "any property P of an X is also that of an A', it does not mean that "an A is not an X" implies "any property P of X is not that of an A". Negation does not carry over that way.
– jobermark
1 hour ago
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Obviously not all cats are normal.
– Bread
4 hours ago
Obviously not all cats are normal.
– Bread
4 hours ago
Assuming cats are normal: rabbits can also be normal without being cats.
– Bread
2 hours ago
Assuming cats are normal: rabbits can also be normal without being cats.
– Bread
2 hours ago
@Bread - I did some edits.
– brilliant
2 hours ago
@Bread - I did some edits.
– brilliant
2 hours ago
@brilliant My answer responds to your original post. I do not think that the edits change my answer.
– Mark Andrews
2 hours ago
@brilliant My answer responds to your original post. I do not think that the edits change my answer.
– Mark Andrews
2 hours ago
1
1
It is classically known as 'affirming the consequent'. It involves following an implication backward, or negating both sides of an implication and assuming the result is true. (The former form is 'arguing from the converse', this is the the second form 'arguing from the inverse'.) Even though "an A is an X" implies "any property P of an X is also that of an A', it does not mean that "an A is not an X" implies "any property P of X is not that of an A". Negation does not carry over that way.
– jobermark
1 hour ago
It is classically known as 'affirming the consequent'. It involves following an implication backward, or negating both sides of an implication and assuming the result is true. (The former form is 'arguing from the converse', this is the the second form 'arguing from the inverse'.) Even though "an A is an X" implies "any property P of an X is also that of an A', it does not mean that "an A is not an X" implies "any property P of X is not that of an A". Negation does not carry over that way.
– jobermark
1 hour ago
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Here is the argument:
No N is not-N.
No not-N is N.
All C are N.
No R are C.
Thus: No R are N.
The syllogism is invalid for two reasons. First, the third premise denies the antecedent (cats) of the fourth. There can be other animals that are normal. Wikipedia: Denying the antecedent; Formal fallacy.
Second, a term that is distributed in the conclusion (normal) is not distributed in the major premise (all cats are normal). Wikipedia: Illicit major.
The first two premises are not needed except as definitions. The second two, about cats and rabbits, state actual relationships between categories,
Thank you. I guess your answer is fully applicable to the latest edits in my question, too, right?
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You imply in point 3 that all cats are normal. I don't know the specific name of the fallacy, but your argument is invalid because you didn't state that all things normal are cats, only that all cats are normal.
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I am not sure that point 3 is "all" cats are normal or "some" cats are normal.
– Frank Hubeny
3 hours ago
By "cats are normal" I meant to say that it is absolutely normal that cats are born into and exist in this world, whatever condition some cats may be born in (blind, no limbs, etc.)
– brilliant
2 hours ago
I did some editing to my question.
– brilliant
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The argument is basically the fallacy of Denying the Antecedant. ~C, C → N |- ~N
- RabbitBirths are not CatBirths,
- CatBirths are NaturalPhenomena,
- therefore RabbitBirths are not NaturalPhenomena.
R → ~C , C → N |- R → ~N
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Your error here is defining "normal" as a single set of things to which something either belongs or doesn't. That's not a useful (or normal) definition. Things are only normal or abnormal in context, compared to others of their kind. Are they a common or typical example of that kind, or are they an unusual or rare example? Normal cats have long tails (Manx cats might be considered abnormal). But a cat would be, say, a very abnormal voter, or an abnormal vehicle (more typical voters being human and more typical vehicles being machines). A perfectly normal person, likewise, would be an abnormal meal (cannibalism being rare), and a perfectly ordinary vehicle (say a bicycle) would be an unusual piece of art to hang on a wall.
You then make a second error in assuming that the statement "cats are normal" is equating the set of cats with the set of normal things. That's not what "are" means in this context. A more appropriate reading of that sentence would be to make cats a subset of normal things.
I did some editing to my question.
– brilliant
2 hours ago
Your edited question only makes the second error--assuming that "is" means equivalence and not subset. "Cats are carnivores", for example, clearly means that cats are a subset of carnivores, not an identical set.
– Lee Daniel Crocker
1 hour ago
This is the same error, not the second one.
– brilliant
1 hour ago
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Here is the argument:
No N is not-N.
No not-N is N.
All C are N.
No R are C.
Thus: No R are N.
The syllogism is invalid for two reasons. First, the third premise denies the antecedent (cats) of the fourth. There can be other animals that are normal. Wikipedia: Denying the antecedent; Formal fallacy.
Second, a term that is distributed in the conclusion (normal) is not distributed in the major premise (all cats are normal). Wikipedia: Illicit major.
The first two premises are not needed except as definitions. The second two, about cats and rabbits, state actual relationships between categories,
Thank you. I guess your answer is fully applicable to the latest edits in my question, too, right?
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2 hours ago
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Here is the argument:
No N is not-N.
No not-N is N.
All C are N.
No R are C.
Thus: No R are N.
The syllogism is invalid for two reasons. First, the third premise denies the antecedent (cats) of the fourth. There can be other animals that are normal. Wikipedia: Denying the antecedent; Formal fallacy.
Second, a term that is distributed in the conclusion (normal) is not distributed in the major premise (all cats are normal). Wikipedia: Illicit major.
The first two premises are not needed except as definitions. The second two, about cats and rabbits, state actual relationships between categories,
Thank you. I guess your answer is fully applicable to the latest edits in my question, too, right?
– brilliant
2 hours ago
add a comment |
Here is the argument:
No N is not-N.
No not-N is N.
All C are N.
No R are C.
Thus: No R are N.
The syllogism is invalid for two reasons. First, the third premise denies the antecedent (cats) of the fourth. There can be other animals that are normal. Wikipedia: Denying the antecedent; Formal fallacy.
Second, a term that is distributed in the conclusion (normal) is not distributed in the major premise (all cats are normal). Wikipedia: Illicit major.
The first two premises are not needed except as definitions. The second two, about cats and rabbits, state actual relationships between categories,
Here is the argument:
No N is not-N.
No not-N is N.
All C are N.
No R are C.
Thus: No R are N.
The syllogism is invalid for two reasons. First, the third premise denies the antecedent (cats) of the fourth. There can be other animals that are normal. Wikipedia: Denying the antecedent; Formal fallacy.
Second, a term that is distributed in the conclusion (normal) is not distributed in the major premise (all cats are normal). Wikipedia: Illicit major.
The first two premises are not needed except as definitions. The second two, about cats and rabbits, state actual relationships between categories,
answered 2 hours ago
Mark AndrewsMark Andrews
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Thank you. I guess your answer is fully applicable to the latest edits in my question, too, right?
– brilliant
2 hours ago
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Thank you. I guess your answer is fully applicable to the latest edits in my question, too, right?
– brilliant
2 hours ago
Thank you. I guess your answer is fully applicable to the latest edits in my question, too, right?
– brilliant
2 hours ago
Thank you. I guess your answer is fully applicable to the latest edits in my question, too, right?
– brilliant
2 hours ago
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You imply in point 3 that all cats are normal. I don't know the specific name of the fallacy, but your argument is invalid because you didn't state that all things normal are cats, only that all cats are normal.
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I am not sure that point 3 is "all" cats are normal or "some" cats are normal.
– Frank Hubeny
3 hours ago
By "cats are normal" I meant to say that it is absolutely normal that cats are born into and exist in this world, whatever condition some cats may be born in (blind, no limbs, etc.)
– brilliant
2 hours ago
I did some editing to my question.
– brilliant
2 hours ago
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You imply in point 3 that all cats are normal. I don't know the specific name of the fallacy, but your argument is invalid because you didn't state that all things normal are cats, only that all cats are normal.
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I am not sure that point 3 is "all" cats are normal or "some" cats are normal.
– Frank Hubeny
3 hours ago
By "cats are normal" I meant to say that it is absolutely normal that cats are born into and exist in this world, whatever condition some cats may be born in (blind, no limbs, etc.)
– brilliant
2 hours ago
I did some editing to my question.
– brilliant
2 hours ago
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You imply in point 3 that all cats are normal. I don't know the specific name of the fallacy, but your argument is invalid because you didn't state that all things normal are cats, only that all cats are normal.
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You imply in point 3 that all cats are normal. I don't know the specific name of the fallacy, but your argument is invalid because you didn't state that all things normal are cats, only that all cats are normal.
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I am not sure that point 3 is "all" cats are normal or "some" cats are normal.
– Frank Hubeny
3 hours ago
By "cats are normal" I meant to say that it is absolutely normal that cats are born into and exist in this world, whatever condition some cats may be born in (blind, no limbs, etc.)
– brilliant
2 hours ago
I did some editing to my question.
– brilliant
2 hours ago
add a comment |
I am not sure that point 3 is "all" cats are normal or "some" cats are normal.
– Frank Hubeny
3 hours ago
By "cats are normal" I meant to say that it is absolutely normal that cats are born into and exist in this world, whatever condition some cats may be born in (blind, no limbs, etc.)
– brilliant
2 hours ago
I did some editing to my question.
– brilliant
2 hours ago
I am not sure that point 3 is "all" cats are normal or "some" cats are normal.
– Frank Hubeny
3 hours ago
I am not sure that point 3 is "all" cats are normal or "some" cats are normal.
– Frank Hubeny
3 hours ago
By "cats are normal" I meant to say that it is absolutely normal that cats are born into and exist in this world, whatever condition some cats may be born in (blind, no limbs, etc.)
– brilliant
2 hours ago
By "cats are normal" I meant to say that it is absolutely normal that cats are born into and exist in this world, whatever condition some cats may be born in (blind, no limbs, etc.)
– brilliant
2 hours ago
I did some editing to my question.
– brilliant
2 hours ago
I did some editing to my question.
– brilliant
2 hours ago
add a comment |
The argument is basically the fallacy of Denying the Antecedant. ~C, C → N |- ~N
- RabbitBirths are not CatBirths,
- CatBirths are NaturalPhenomena,
- therefore RabbitBirths are not NaturalPhenomena.
R → ~C , C → N |- R → ~N
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The argument is basically the fallacy of Denying the Antecedant. ~C, C → N |- ~N
- RabbitBirths are not CatBirths,
- CatBirths are NaturalPhenomena,
- therefore RabbitBirths are not NaturalPhenomena.
R → ~C , C → N |- R → ~N
add a comment |
The argument is basically the fallacy of Denying the Antecedant. ~C, C → N |- ~N
- RabbitBirths are not CatBirths,
- CatBirths are NaturalPhenomena,
- therefore RabbitBirths are not NaturalPhenomena.
R → ~C , C → N |- R → ~N
The argument is basically the fallacy of Denying the Antecedant. ~C, C → N |- ~N
- RabbitBirths are not CatBirths,
- CatBirths are NaturalPhenomena,
- therefore RabbitBirths are not NaturalPhenomena.
R → ~C , C → N |- R → ~N
answered 2 hours ago
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Your error here is defining "normal" as a single set of things to which something either belongs or doesn't. That's not a useful (or normal) definition. Things are only normal or abnormal in context, compared to others of their kind. Are they a common or typical example of that kind, or are they an unusual or rare example? Normal cats have long tails (Manx cats might be considered abnormal). But a cat would be, say, a very abnormal voter, or an abnormal vehicle (more typical voters being human and more typical vehicles being machines). A perfectly normal person, likewise, would be an abnormal meal (cannibalism being rare), and a perfectly ordinary vehicle (say a bicycle) would be an unusual piece of art to hang on a wall.
You then make a second error in assuming that the statement "cats are normal" is equating the set of cats with the set of normal things. That's not what "are" means in this context. A more appropriate reading of that sentence would be to make cats a subset of normal things.
I did some editing to my question.
– brilliant
2 hours ago
Your edited question only makes the second error--assuming that "is" means equivalence and not subset. "Cats are carnivores", for example, clearly means that cats are a subset of carnivores, not an identical set.
– Lee Daniel Crocker
1 hour ago
This is the same error, not the second one.
– brilliant
1 hour ago
add a comment |
Your error here is defining "normal" as a single set of things to which something either belongs or doesn't. That's not a useful (or normal) definition. Things are only normal or abnormal in context, compared to others of their kind. Are they a common or typical example of that kind, or are they an unusual or rare example? Normal cats have long tails (Manx cats might be considered abnormal). But a cat would be, say, a very abnormal voter, or an abnormal vehicle (more typical voters being human and more typical vehicles being machines). A perfectly normal person, likewise, would be an abnormal meal (cannibalism being rare), and a perfectly ordinary vehicle (say a bicycle) would be an unusual piece of art to hang on a wall.
You then make a second error in assuming that the statement "cats are normal" is equating the set of cats with the set of normal things. That's not what "are" means in this context. A more appropriate reading of that sentence would be to make cats a subset of normal things.
I did some editing to my question.
– brilliant
2 hours ago
Your edited question only makes the second error--assuming that "is" means equivalence and not subset. "Cats are carnivores", for example, clearly means that cats are a subset of carnivores, not an identical set.
– Lee Daniel Crocker
1 hour ago
This is the same error, not the second one.
– brilliant
1 hour ago
add a comment |
Your error here is defining "normal" as a single set of things to which something either belongs or doesn't. That's not a useful (or normal) definition. Things are only normal or abnormal in context, compared to others of their kind. Are they a common or typical example of that kind, or are they an unusual or rare example? Normal cats have long tails (Manx cats might be considered abnormal). But a cat would be, say, a very abnormal voter, or an abnormal vehicle (more typical voters being human and more typical vehicles being machines). A perfectly normal person, likewise, would be an abnormal meal (cannibalism being rare), and a perfectly ordinary vehicle (say a bicycle) would be an unusual piece of art to hang on a wall.
You then make a second error in assuming that the statement "cats are normal" is equating the set of cats with the set of normal things. That's not what "are" means in this context. A more appropriate reading of that sentence would be to make cats a subset of normal things.
Your error here is defining "normal" as a single set of things to which something either belongs or doesn't. That's not a useful (or normal) definition. Things are only normal or abnormal in context, compared to others of their kind. Are they a common or typical example of that kind, or are they an unusual or rare example? Normal cats have long tails (Manx cats might be considered abnormal). But a cat would be, say, a very abnormal voter, or an abnormal vehicle (more typical voters being human and more typical vehicles being machines). A perfectly normal person, likewise, would be an abnormal meal (cannibalism being rare), and a perfectly ordinary vehicle (say a bicycle) would be an unusual piece of art to hang on a wall.
You then make a second error in assuming that the statement "cats are normal" is equating the set of cats with the set of normal things. That's not what "are" means in this context. A more appropriate reading of that sentence would be to make cats a subset of normal things.
answered 3 hours ago
Lee Daniel CrockerLee Daniel Crocker
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I did some editing to my question.
– brilliant
2 hours ago
Your edited question only makes the second error--assuming that "is" means equivalence and not subset. "Cats are carnivores", for example, clearly means that cats are a subset of carnivores, not an identical set.
– Lee Daniel Crocker
1 hour ago
This is the same error, not the second one.
– brilliant
1 hour ago
add a comment |
I did some editing to my question.
– brilliant
2 hours ago
Your edited question only makes the second error--assuming that "is" means equivalence and not subset. "Cats are carnivores", for example, clearly means that cats are a subset of carnivores, not an identical set.
– Lee Daniel Crocker
1 hour ago
This is the same error, not the second one.
– brilliant
1 hour ago
I did some editing to my question.
– brilliant
2 hours ago
I did some editing to my question.
– brilliant
2 hours ago
Your edited question only makes the second error--assuming that "is" means equivalence and not subset. "Cats are carnivores", for example, clearly means that cats are a subset of carnivores, not an identical set.
– Lee Daniel Crocker
1 hour ago
Your edited question only makes the second error--assuming that "is" means equivalence and not subset. "Cats are carnivores", for example, clearly means that cats are a subset of carnivores, not an identical set.
– Lee Daniel Crocker
1 hour ago
This is the same error, not the second one.
– brilliant
1 hour ago
This is the same error, not the second one.
– brilliant
1 hour ago
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Obviously not all cats are normal.
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Assuming cats are normal: rabbits can also be normal without being cats.
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@Bread - I did some edits.
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@brilliant My answer responds to your original post. I do not think that the edits change my answer.
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It is classically known as 'affirming the consequent'. It involves following an implication backward, or negating both sides of an implication and assuming the result is true. (The former form is 'arguing from the converse', this is the the second form 'arguing from the inverse'.) Even though "an A is an X" implies "any property P of an X is also that of an A', it does not mean that "an A is not an X" implies "any property P of X is not that of an A". Negation does not carry over that way.
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