Is the appointing of a Government by the leader of the party that wins a General Election merely a...
In the UK the executive (the Government) is appointed by the leader of the party that wins a General Election, with appointees chosen from MPs and Lords (I think). But is this merely a convention as opposed to a strict rule?
If so, what would be the alternative, and has it ever occurred?
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In the UK the executive (the Government) is appointed by the leader of the party that wins a General Election, with appointees chosen from MPs and Lords (I think). But is this merely a convention as opposed to a strict rule?
If so, what would be the alternative, and has it ever occurred?
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The trick here is how you do define the "winner". Just the party with more MPs? Then a coalition of the other parties could get to form a government, if they reach an agreement.
– SJuan76
6 hours ago
Are there any rules in this area? Is the rule that the winning party or coalition simply "get to form an executive" - by whatever means?
– Ben
6 hours ago
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As per the 2010 and 2017 elections, the current convention is the incumbent stays as "caretaker" until the political parties have finished having meetings to see if there's a combination that would be able to win votes of confidence and supply (i.e. finance) bills. This is now even written up (in a descriptive, not prescriptive sense) here as paragraph 2.12 etc. assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/…
– origimbo
6 hours ago
Thank you. I suppose the thrust of my question was: are there any rules dictating who (as in which person or persons) gets to decide the executive beyond "the winning party or coalition"?
– Ben
5 hours ago
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In the UK the executive (the Government) is appointed by the leader of the party that wins a General Election, with appointees chosen from MPs and Lords (I think). But is this merely a convention as opposed to a strict rule?
If so, what would be the alternative, and has it ever occurred?
united-kingdom
In the UK the executive (the Government) is appointed by the leader of the party that wins a General Election, with appointees chosen from MPs and Lords (I think). But is this merely a convention as opposed to a strict rule?
If so, what would be the alternative, and has it ever occurred?
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The trick here is how you do define the "winner". Just the party with more MPs? Then a coalition of the other parties could get to form a government, if they reach an agreement.
– SJuan76
6 hours ago
Are there any rules in this area? Is the rule that the winning party or coalition simply "get to form an executive" - by whatever means?
– Ben
6 hours ago
3
As per the 2010 and 2017 elections, the current convention is the incumbent stays as "caretaker" until the political parties have finished having meetings to see if there's a combination that would be able to win votes of confidence and supply (i.e. finance) bills. This is now even written up (in a descriptive, not prescriptive sense) here as paragraph 2.12 etc. assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/…
– origimbo
6 hours ago
Thank you. I suppose the thrust of my question was: are there any rules dictating who (as in which person or persons) gets to decide the executive beyond "the winning party or coalition"?
– Ben
5 hours ago
add a comment |
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The trick here is how you do define the "winner". Just the party with more MPs? Then a coalition of the other parties could get to form a government, if they reach an agreement.
– SJuan76
6 hours ago
Are there any rules in this area? Is the rule that the winning party or coalition simply "get to form an executive" - by whatever means?
– Ben
6 hours ago
3
As per the 2010 and 2017 elections, the current convention is the incumbent stays as "caretaker" until the political parties have finished having meetings to see if there's a combination that would be able to win votes of confidence and supply (i.e. finance) bills. This is now even written up (in a descriptive, not prescriptive sense) here as paragraph 2.12 etc. assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/…
– origimbo
6 hours ago
Thank you. I suppose the thrust of my question was: are there any rules dictating who (as in which person or persons) gets to decide the executive beyond "the winning party or coalition"?
– Ben
5 hours ago
2
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The trick here is how you do define the "winner". Just the party with more MPs? Then a coalition of the other parties could get to form a government, if they reach an agreement.
– SJuan76
6 hours ago
The trick here is how you do define the "winner". Just the party with more MPs? Then a coalition of the other parties could get to form a government, if they reach an agreement.
– SJuan76
6 hours ago
Are there any rules in this area? Is the rule that the winning party or coalition simply "get to form an executive" - by whatever means?
– Ben
6 hours ago
Are there any rules in this area? Is the rule that the winning party or coalition simply "get to form an executive" - by whatever means?
– Ben
6 hours ago
3
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As per the 2010 and 2017 elections, the current convention is the incumbent stays as "caretaker" until the political parties have finished having meetings to see if there's a combination that would be able to win votes of confidence and supply (i.e. finance) bills. This is now even written up (in a descriptive, not prescriptive sense) here as paragraph 2.12 etc. assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/…
– origimbo
6 hours ago
As per the 2010 and 2017 elections, the current convention is the incumbent stays as "caretaker" until the political parties have finished having meetings to see if there's a combination that would be able to win votes of confidence and supply (i.e. finance) bills. This is now even written up (in a descriptive, not prescriptive sense) here as paragraph 2.12 etc. assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/…
– origimbo
6 hours ago
Thank you. I suppose the thrust of my question was: are there any rules dictating who (as in which person or persons) gets to decide the executive beyond "the winning party or coalition"?
– Ben
5 hours ago
Thank you. I suppose the thrust of my question was: are there any rules dictating who (as in which person or persons) gets to decide the executive beyond "the winning party or coalition"?
– Ben
5 hours ago
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This is considered a constitutional convention, in that it's not an official, written-down rule, but it is generally expeted to be followed.
The convention that the government is seen to be accountable to House of Commons started in the 1700s, with the government of Sir Robert Walpole. In 1742, Sir Robert lost what he considered to be a vote of confidence in the government, and so he tendered his resignation to the king.
Since then, the convention has been that HM Government must always have the confidence of the House of Commons in order to govern. When a majority of MPs are from a single party, as is usually the case, such confidence is relatively straightforward for the leader of this party to receive.
When there is a hung parliament, when no party has an overall majority, things get a bit trickier. In this case, the Prime Minister will be whichever leader can get the support of enough parties to get a majority in the Commons. In 2010 and 2017, these both happened to also be the leaders of the largest parties (David Cameron and Theresa May, respectively). However, in 1923, Ramsay MacDonald became Prime Minister despite Labour being 67 seats behind the Conservatives, as the Liberals (with 158 seats) decided to support a Labour rather than a Conservative government.
To summarize: The Prime Minister is the person who can get the support of a majority in the House of Commons, and this is usually, though not necessarily, the leader of the largest party.
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Given the way Ben rephrased the question in the comments, you might want to pull the fact from behind your link that the Conservative PM Baldwin attempted to continue in power 1923, but had his King's Speech voted down.
– origimbo
3 hours ago
@origimbo A valid point, though the reason that Baldwin was first to put forward a King's Speech is because he was the incumbent, not because his party was the largest.
– Joe C
3 hours ago
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Almost everything in British constitutional politics is a convention, rather than a written rule, and this is no exception.
The Queen always invites the leader of the party with the largest number of MPs to form a government first.
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It is correct to say this is only a convention and parliament appoints whoever it wishes to be prime minister and form a government. This is typically the leader of the largest party as they command the most votes. If the leader of the largest party can not pass the vote of confidence then other MPs may try. If parliament is unable to pass a vote of confidence to select a prime minister it would have to be dissolved and a general election called.
There is one interesting example (that I could think of) of a prime minister being appointed who was not at the time leader of a party, this was Winston Churchill who was appointed by Parliament after the resignation (from the post of prime minister) of Neville Chamberlain. Churchill formed what was called the wartime coalition, before becoming leader of the Conservative party later that year when Mr Chamberlain resigned from the House of Commons for health reasons.
Perhaps most interestingly Wikipedia suggests
Churchill probably could not have won a majority in any of the political parties
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This is considered a constitutional convention, in that it's not an official, written-down rule, but it is generally expeted to be followed.
The convention that the government is seen to be accountable to House of Commons started in the 1700s, with the government of Sir Robert Walpole. In 1742, Sir Robert lost what he considered to be a vote of confidence in the government, and so he tendered his resignation to the king.
Since then, the convention has been that HM Government must always have the confidence of the House of Commons in order to govern. When a majority of MPs are from a single party, as is usually the case, such confidence is relatively straightforward for the leader of this party to receive.
When there is a hung parliament, when no party has an overall majority, things get a bit trickier. In this case, the Prime Minister will be whichever leader can get the support of enough parties to get a majority in the Commons. In 2010 and 2017, these both happened to also be the leaders of the largest parties (David Cameron and Theresa May, respectively). However, in 1923, Ramsay MacDonald became Prime Minister despite Labour being 67 seats behind the Conservatives, as the Liberals (with 158 seats) decided to support a Labour rather than a Conservative government.
To summarize: The Prime Minister is the person who can get the support of a majority in the House of Commons, and this is usually, though not necessarily, the leader of the largest party.
1
Given the way Ben rephrased the question in the comments, you might want to pull the fact from behind your link that the Conservative PM Baldwin attempted to continue in power 1923, but had his King's Speech voted down.
– origimbo
3 hours ago
@origimbo A valid point, though the reason that Baldwin was first to put forward a King's Speech is because he was the incumbent, not because his party was the largest.
– Joe C
3 hours ago
add a comment |
This is considered a constitutional convention, in that it's not an official, written-down rule, but it is generally expeted to be followed.
The convention that the government is seen to be accountable to House of Commons started in the 1700s, with the government of Sir Robert Walpole. In 1742, Sir Robert lost what he considered to be a vote of confidence in the government, and so he tendered his resignation to the king.
Since then, the convention has been that HM Government must always have the confidence of the House of Commons in order to govern. When a majority of MPs are from a single party, as is usually the case, such confidence is relatively straightforward for the leader of this party to receive.
When there is a hung parliament, when no party has an overall majority, things get a bit trickier. In this case, the Prime Minister will be whichever leader can get the support of enough parties to get a majority in the Commons. In 2010 and 2017, these both happened to also be the leaders of the largest parties (David Cameron and Theresa May, respectively). However, in 1923, Ramsay MacDonald became Prime Minister despite Labour being 67 seats behind the Conservatives, as the Liberals (with 158 seats) decided to support a Labour rather than a Conservative government.
To summarize: The Prime Minister is the person who can get the support of a majority in the House of Commons, and this is usually, though not necessarily, the leader of the largest party.
1
Given the way Ben rephrased the question in the comments, you might want to pull the fact from behind your link that the Conservative PM Baldwin attempted to continue in power 1923, but had his King's Speech voted down.
– origimbo
3 hours ago
@origimbo A valid point, though the reason that Baldwin was first to put forward a King's Speech is because he was the incumbent, not because his party was the largest.
– Joe C
3 hours ago
add a comment |
This is considered a constitutional convention, in that it's not an official, written-down rule, but it is generally expeted to be followed.
The convention that the government is seen to be accountable to House of Commons started in the 1700s, with the government of Sir Robert Walpole. In 1742, Sir Robert lost what he considered to be a vote of confidence in the government, and so he tendered his resignation to the king.
Since then, the convention has been that HM Government must always have the confidence of the House of Commons in order to govern. When a majority of MPs are from a single party, as is usually the case, such confidence is relatively straightforward for the leader of this party to receive.
When there is a hung parliament, when no party has an overall majority, things get a bit trickier. In this case, the Prime Minister will be whichever leader can get the support of enough parties to get a majority in the Commons. In 2010 and 2017, these both happened to also be the leaders of the largest parties (David Cameron and Theresa May, respectively). However, in 1923, Ramsay MacDonald became Prime Minister despite Labour being 67 seats behind the Conservatives, as the Liberals (with 158 seats) decided to support a Labour rather than a Conservative government.
To summarize: The Prime Minister is the person who can get the support of a majority in the House of Commons, and this is usually, though not necessarily, the leader of the largest party.
This is considered a constitutional convention, in that it's not an official, written-down rule, but it is generally expeted to be followed.
The convention that the government is seen to be accountable to House of Commons started in the 1700s, with the government of Sir Robert Walpole. In 1742, Sir Robert lost what he considered to be a vote of confidence in the government, and so he tendered his resignation to the king.
Since then, the convention has been that HM Government must always have the confidence of the House of Commons in order to govern. When a majority of MPs are from a single party, as is usually the case, such confidence is relatively straightforward for the leader of this party to receive.
When there is a hung parliament, when no party has an overall majority, things get a bit trickier. In this case, the Prime Minister will be whichever leader can get the support of enough parties to get a majority in the Commons. In 2010 and 2017, these both happened to also be the leaders of the largest parties (David Cameron and Theresa May, respectively). However, in 1923, Ramsay MacDonald became Prime Minister despite Labour being 67 seats behind the Conservatives, as the Liberals (with 158 seats) decided to support a Labour rather than a Conservative government.
To summarize: The Prime Minister is the person who can get the support of a majority in the House of Commons, and this is usually, though not necessarily, the leader of the largest party.
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Given the way Ben rephrased the question in the comments, you might want to pull the fact from behind your link that the Conservative PM Baldwin attempted to continue in power 1923, but had his King's Speech voted down.
– origimbo
3 hours ago
@origimbo A valid point, though the reason that Baldwin was first to put forward a King's Speech is because he was the incumbent, not because his party was the largest.
– Joe C
3 hours ago
add a comment |
1
Given the way Ben rephrased the question in the comments, you might want to pull the fact from behind your link that the Conservative PM Baldwin attempted to continue in power 1923, but had his King's Speech voted down.
– origimbo
3 hours ago
@origimbo A valid point, though the reason that Baldwin was first to put forward a King's Speech is because he was the incumbent, not because his party was the largest.
– Joe C
3 hours ago
1
1
Given the way Ben rephrased the question in the comments, you might want to pull the fact from behind your link that the Conservative PM Baldwin attempted to continue in power 1923, but had his King's Speech voted down.
– origimbo
3 hours ago
Given the way Ben rephrased the question in the comments, you might want to pull the fact from behind your link that the Conservative PM Baldwin attempted to continue in power 1923, but had his King's Speech voted down.
– origimbo
3 hours ago
@origimbo A valid point, though the reason that Baldwin was first to put forward a King's Speech is because he was the incumbent, not because his party was the largest.
– Joe C
3 hours ago
@origimbo A valid point, though the reason that Baldwin was first to put forward a King's Speech is because he was the incumbent, not because his party was the largest.
– Joe C
3 hours ago
add a comment |
Almost everything in British constitutional politics is a convention, rather than a written rule, and this is no exception.
The Queen always invites the leader of the party with the largest number of MPs to form a government first.
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Almost everything in British constitutional politics is a convention, rather than a written rule, and this is no exception.
The Queen always invites the leader of the party with the largest number of MPs to form a government first.
add a comment |
Almost everything in British constitutional politics is a convention, rather than a written rule, and this is no exception.
The Queen always invites the leader of the party with the largest number of MPs to form a government first.
Almost everything in British constitutional politics is a convention, rather than a written rule, and this is no exception.
The Queen always invites the leader of the party with the largest number of MPs to form a government first.
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It is correct to say this is only a convention and parliament appoints whoever it wishes to be prime minister and form a government. This is typically the leader of the largest party as they command the most votes. If the leader of the largest party can not pass the vote of confidence then other MPs may try. If parliament is unable to pass a vote of confidence to select a prime minister it would have to be dissolved and a general election called.
There is one interesting example (that I could think of) of a prime minister being appointed who was not at the time leader of a party, this was Winston Churchill who was appointed by Parliament after the resignation (from the post of prime minister) of Neville Chamberlain. Churchill formed what was called the wartime coalition, before becoming leader of the Conservative party later that year when Mr Chamberlain resigned from the House of Commons for health reasons.
Perhaps most interestingly Wikipedia suggests
Churchill probably could not have won a majority in any of the political parties
add a comment |
It is correct to say this is only a convention and parliament appoints whoever it wishes to be prime minister and form a government. This is typically the leader of the largest party as they command the most votes. If the leader of the largest party can not pass the vote of confidence then other MPs may try. If parliament is unable to pass a vote of confidence to select a prime minister it would have to be dissolved and a general election called.
There is one interesting example (that I could think of) of a prime minister being appointed who was not at the time leader of a party, this was Winston Churchill who was appointed by Parliament after the resignation (from the post of prime minister) of Neville Chamberlain. Churchill formed what was called the wartime coalition, before becoming leader of the Conservative party later that year when Mr Chamberlain resigned from the House of Commons for health reasons.
Perhaps most interestingly Wikipedia suggests
Churchill probably could not have won a majority in any of the political parties
add a comment |
It is correct to say this is only a convention and parliament appoints whoever it wishes to be prime minister and form a government. This is typically the leader of the largest party as they command the most votes. If the leader of the largest party can not pass the vote of confidence then other MPs may try. If parliament is unable to pass a vote of confidence to select a prime minister it would have to be dissolved and a general election called.
There is one interesting example (that I could think of) of a prime minister being appointed who was not at the time leader of a party, this was Winston Churchill who was appointed by Parliament after the resignation (from the post of prime minister) of Neville Chamberlain. Churchill formed what was called the wartime coalition, before becoming leader of the Conservative party later that year when Mr Chamberlain resigned from the House of Commons for health reasons.
Perhaps most interestingly Wikipedia suggests
Churchill probably could not have won a majority in any of the political parties
It is correct to say this is only a convention and parliament appoints whoever it wishes to be prime minister and form a government. This is typically the leader of the largest party as they command the most votes. If the leader of the largest party can not pass the vote of confidence then other MPs may try. If parliament is unable to pass a vote of confidence to select a prime minister it would have to be dissolved and a general election called.
There is one interesting example (that I could think of) of a prime minister being appointed who was not at the time leader of a party, this was Winston Churchill who was appointed by Parliament after the resignation (from the post of prime minister) of Neville Chamberlain. Churchill formed what was called the wartime coalition, before becoming leader of the Conservative party later that year when Mr Chamberlain resigned from the House of Commons for health reasons.
Perhaps most interestingly Wikipedia suggests
Churchill probably could not have won a majority in any of the political parties
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The trick here is how you do define the "winner". Just the party with more MPs? Then a coalition of the other parties could get to form a government, if they reach an agreement.
– SJuan76
6 hours ago
Are there any rules in this area? Is the rule that the winning party or coalition simply "get to form an executive" - by whatever means?
– Ben
6 hours ago
3
As per the 2010 and 2017 elections, the current convention is the incumbent stays as "caretaker" until the political parties have finished having meetings to see if there's a combination that would be able to win votes of confidence and supply (i.e. finance) bills. This is now even written up (in a descriptive, not prescriptive sense) here as paragraph 2.12 etc. assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/…
– origimbo
6 hours ago
Thank you. I suppose the thrust of my question was: are there any rules dictating who (as in which person or persons) gets to decide the executive beyond "the winning party or coalition"?
– Ben
5 hours ago