“The,” “a” or no article: “See you in _____ court.”
Why in such sentences as below is not used the article in front of the noun?
See you in (the, a) court.
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Why in such sentences as below is not used the article in front of the noun?
See you in (the, a) court.
articles nouns
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'court' can be uncountable. That might be the reason.
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Why in such sentences as below is not used the article in front of the noun?
See you in (the, a) court.
articles nouns
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Why in such sentences as below is not used the article in front of the noun?
See you in (the, a) court.
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'court' can be uncountable. That might be the reason.
– dan
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'court' can be uncountable. That might be the reason.
– dan
9 hours ago
'court' can be uncountable. That might be the reason.
– dan
9 hours ago
'court' can be uncountable. That might be the reason.
– dan
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Generally, you use a zero article with abstract nouns:
I fell in love. (not a or the love)
In your example, court is being used as an abstract noun representing the legal system and its activities in general. Note the difference between court (zero article) and courtroom (article):
The judge is in the courtroom this morning. (Specifies her location, but not her activity - maybe she's just sitting there catching up on paperwork.)
The judge is in court this morning. (Specifies that she is actively presiding over one or more legal procedures.)
Likewise, you can create the same distinction with your example:
See you in the courtroom.
This says that there's a place (the courtroom) where we will both be in the future, but does not specify what we will be doing: we could be involved in the trial or in the jury or even just spectators.
See you in court.
This says that we will be directly involved in a legal trial, usually as opposing parties on either side (although a judge might also say this to one of the litigants), and we will go through the process of holding the trial.
[Editing to add stuff about articles in front of abstract nouns.]
A few people have pointed out in the comments that you can use articles in front of what seem to be abstract nouns. This tends to be used when you are narrowing down the meaning to one specific instance of that abstraction. On another site, a frequent ELL contributor (FumbleFingers) wrote this:
[using] the focusses on a specific instance of something, whereas a implies one among many possibilities.
Examples:
The court ruled in favor of the defense. (one specific court)
To continue, we need access to a court of law. (one among many possibilities)
See you in court. (not specifically one instance; just the general abstract concept of formal legal proceedings and maybe I'm willing to drag you from venue to venue and through multiple appeals)
Or to use abstract noun "argument", which was raised in the comments:
This is not relevant to the argument. (the specific on we're having)
They were having an argument. (one argument at a particular time)
We can resolve this through argument. (the abstract concept of adversarial discussion, not necessarily confined to one single discussion)
And as a digression, you do see "the/a court" for other definitions of the noun court where it is a definite location. When speaking about a tennis court, for example, you could hear someone say:
See you on the court [to play a match of tennis].
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I'm not convinced that this use without an article with institutions is the same as the use for abstract nouns; but otherwise a good exposition. Note that in British English: "hospital" comes in that category: we would only say "in the hospital" if we were emphasising the particular hospital. This is not the case in American English (or Canadian?)
– Colin Fine
8 hours ago
3
@ColinFine - I think that using the institution without an article adds on the abstract concept of "being involved in the institution's primary purpose." Unless I'm wrong (I'm not native Canadian and the usage still isn't natural to me), even with the in hospital usage, you have "He's sick and in hospital," versus "She manages the janitorial department in a hospital." The former includes the abstraction of health care provided in a medical center; the latter is a concrete place that is a medical center.
– Canadian Yankee
7 hours ago
I don't think "abstract noun" is the right concept here at all. The abstract nouns "possibility", "argument", and "idea", for example, are all regularly used with "a" and "the". For that matter, the same is true of "court"; we say "The court ruled that [...]" (not *"Court ruled that [...]"), "Sometimes a case can be appealed to a higher court" (not *"to higher court"), etc., which are no less abstract than "in court".
– ruakh
6 hours ago
"To continue, we need access to a court of law" "This will be handled in the court of law" Of law seems to modify the word enough that articles are desirable.
– Aethenosity
5 hours ago
1
@ruakh : A frequent contributor to ELL noted in another forum that you can use articles in front of abstract nouns in some cases. Quoting: "[using] the focusses on a specific instance of something, whereas a implies one among many possibilities. I can add to my answer.
– Canadian Yankee
5 hours ago
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Generally, you use a zero article with abstract nouns:
I fell in love. (not a or the love)
In your example, court is being used as an abstract noun representing the legal system and its activities in general. Note the difference between court (zero article) and courtroom (article):
The judge is in the courtroom this morning. (Specifies her location, but not her activity - maybe she's just sitting there catching up on paperwork.)
The judge is in court this morning. (Specifies that she is actively presiding over one or more legal procedures.)
Likewise, you can create the same distinction with your example:
See you in the courtroom.
This says that there's a place (the courtroom) where we will both be in the future, but does not specify what we will be doing: we could be involved in the trial or in the jury or even just spectators.
See you in court.
This says that we will be directly involved in a legal trial, usually as opposing parties on either side (although a judge might also say this to one of the litigants), and we will go through the process of holding the trial.
[Editing to add stuff about articles in front of abstract nouns.]
A few people have pointed out in the comments that you can use articles in front of what seem to be abstract nouns. This tends to be used when you are narrowing down the meaning to one specific instance of that abstraction. On another site, a frequent ELL contributor (FumbleFingers) wrote this:
[using] the focusses on a specific instance of something, whereas a implies one among many possibilities.
Examples:
The court ruled in favor of the defense. (one specific court)
To continue, we need access to a court of law. (one among many possibilities)
See you in court. (not specifically one instance; just the general abstract concept of formal legal proceedings and maybe I'm willing to drag you from venue to venue and through multiple appeals)
Or to use abstract noun "argument", which was raised in the comments:
This is not relevant to the argument. (the specific on we're having)
They were having an argument. (one argument at a particular time)
We can resolve this through argument. (the abstract concept of adversarial discussion, not necessarily confined to one single discussion)
And as a digression, you do see "the/a court" for other definitions of the noun court where it is a definite location. When speaking about a tennis court, for example, you could hear someone say:
See you on the court [to play a match of tennis].
answered 9 hours ago
Canadian YankeeCanadian Yankee
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I'm not convinced that this use without an article with institutions is the same as the use for abstract nouns; but otherwise a good exposition. Note that in British English: "hospital" comes in that category: we would only say "in the hospital" if we were emphasising the particular hospital. This is not the case in American English (or Canadian?)
– Colin Fine
8 hours ago
3
@ColinFine - I think that using the institution without an article adds on the abstract concept of "being involved in the institution's primary purpose." Unless I'm wrong (I'm not native Canadian and the usage still isn't natural to me), even with the in hospital usage, you have "He's sick and in hospital," versus "She manages the janitorial department in a hospital." The former includes the abstraction of health care provided in a medical center; the latter is a concrete place that is a medical center.
– Canadian Yankee
7 hours ago
I don't think "abstract noun" is the right concept here at all. The abstract nouns "possibility", "argument", and "idea", for example, are all regularly used with "a" and "the". For that matter, the same is true of "court"; we say "The court ruled that [...]" (not *"Court ruled that [...]"), "Sometimes a case can be appealed to a higher court" (not *"to higher court"), etc., which are no less abstract than "in court".
– ruakh
6 hours ago
"To continue, we need access to a court of law" "This will be handled in the court of law" Of law seems to modify the word enough that articles are desirable.
– Aethenosity
5 hours ago
1
@ruakh : A frequent contributor to ELL noted in another forum that you can use articles in front of abstract nouns in some cases. Quoting: "[using] the focusses on a specific instance of something, whereas a implies one among many possibilities. I can add to my answer.
– Canadian Yankee
5 hours ago
|
show 6 more comments
Generally, you use a zero article with abstract nouns:
I fell in love. (not a or the love)
In your example, court is being used as an abstract noun representing the legal system and its activities in general. Note the difference between court (zero article) and courtroom (article):
The judge is in the courtroom this morning. (Specifies her location, but not her activity - maybe she's just sitting there catching up on paperwork.)
The judge is in court this morning. (Specifies that she is actively presiding over one or more legal procedures.)
Likewise, you can create the same distinction with your example:
See you in the courtroom.
This says that there's a place (the courtroom) where we will both be in the future, but does not specify what we will be doing: we could be involved in the trial or in the jury or even just spectators.
See you in court.
This says that we will be directly involved in a legal trial, usually as opposing parties on either side (although a judge might also say this to one of the litigants), and we will go through the process of holding the trial.
[Editing to add stuff about articles in front of abstract nouns.]
A few people have pointed out in the comments that you can use articles in front of what seem to be abstract nouns. This tends to be used when you are narrowing down the meaning to one specific instance of that abstraction. On another site, a frequent ELL contributor (FumbleFingers) wrote this:
[using] the focusses on a specific instance of something, whereas a implies one among many possibilities.
Examples:
The court ruled in favor of the defense. (one specific court)
To continue, we need access to a court of law. (one among many possibilities)
See you in court. (not specifically one instance; just the general abstract concept of formal legal proceedings and maybe I'm willing to drag you from venue to venue and through multiple appeals)
Or to use abstract noun "argument", which was raised in the comments:
This is not relevant to the argument. (the specific on we're having)
They were having an argument. (one argument at a particular time)
We can resolve this through argument. (the abstract concept of adversarial discussion, not necessarily confined to one single discussion)
And as a digression, you do see "the/a court" for other definitions of the noun court where it is a definite location. When speaking about a tennis court, for example, you could hear someone say:
See you on the court [to play a match of tennis].
answered 9 hours ago
Canadian YankeeCanadian Yankee
5,338919
1
I'm not convinced that this use without an article with institutions is the same as the use for abstract nouns; but otherwise a good exposition. Note that in British English: "hospital" comes in that category: we would only say "in the hospital" if we were emphasising the particular hospital. This is not the case in American English (or Canadian?)
– Colin Fine
8 hours ago
3
@ColinFine - I think that using the institution without an article adds on the abstract concept of "being involved in the institution's primary purpose." Unless I'm wrong (I'm not native Canadian and the usage still isn't natural to me), even with the in hospital usage, you have "He's sick and in hospital," versus "She manages the janitorial department in a hospital." The former includes the abstraction of health care provided in a medical center; the latter is a concrete place that is a medical center.
– Canadian Yankee
7 hours ago
I don't think "abstract noun" is the right concept here at all. The abstract nouns "possibility", "argument", and "idea", for example, are all regularly used with "a" and "the". For that matter, the same is true of "court"; we say "The court ruled that [...]" (not *"Court ruled that [...]"), "Sometimes a case can be appealed to a higher court" (not *"to higher court"), etc., which are no less abstract than "in court".
– ruakh
6 hours ago
"To continue, we need access to a court of law" "This will be handled in the court of law" Of law seems to modify the word enough that articles are desirable.
– Aethenosity
5 hours ago
1
@ruakh : A frequent contributor to ELL noted in another forum that you can use articles in front of abstract nouns in some cases. Quoting: "[using] the focusses on a specific instance of something, whereas a implies one among many possibilities. I can add to my answer.
– Canadian Yankee
5 hours ago
|
show 6 more comments
Generally, you use a zero article with abstract nouns:
I fell in love. (not a or the love)
In your example, court is being used as an abstract noun representing the legal system and its activities in general. Note the difference between court (zero article) and courtroom (article):
The judge is in the courtroom this morning. (Specifies her location, but not her activity - maybe she's just sitting there catching up on paperwork.)
The judge is in court this morning. (Specifies that she is actively presiding over one or more legal procedures.)
Likewise, you can create the same distinction with your example:
See you in the courtroom.
This says that there's a place (the courtroom) where we will both be in the future, but does not specify what we will be doing: we could be involved in the trial or in the jury or even just spectators.
See you in court.
This says that we will be directly involved in a legal trial, usually as opposing parties on either side (although a judge might also say this to one of the litigants), and we will go through the process of holding the trial.
[Editing to add stuff about articles in front of abstract nouns.]
A few people have pointed out in the comments that you can use articles in front of what seem to be abstract nouns. This tends to be used when you are narrowing down the meaning to one specific instance of that abstraction. On another site, a frequent ELL contributor (FumbleFingers) wrote this:
[using] the focusses on a specific instance of something, whereas a implies one among many possibilities.
Examples:
The court ruled in favor of the defense. (one specific court)
To continue, we need access to a court of law. (one among many possibilities)
See you in court. (not specifically one instance; just the general abstract concept of formal legal proceedings and maybe I'm willing to drag you from venue to venue and through multiple appeals)
Or to use abstract noun "argument", which was raised in the comments:
This is not relevant to the argument. (the specific on we're having)
They were having an argument. (one argument at a particular time)
We can resolve this through argument. (the abstract concept of adversarial discussion, not necessarily confined to one single discussion)
And as a digression, you do see "the/a court" for other definitions of the noun court where it is a definite location. When speaking about a tennis court, for example, you could hear someone say:
See you on the court [to play a match of tennis].
answered 9 hours ago
Canadian YankeeCanadian Yankee
5,338919
Generally, you use a zero article with abstract nouns:
I fell in love. (not a or the love)
In your example, court is being used as an abstract noun representing the legal system and its activities in general. Note the difference between court (zero article) and courtroom (article):
The judge is in the courtroom this morning. (Specifies her location, but not her activity - maybe she's just sitting there catching up on paperwork.)
The judge is in court this morning. (Specifies that she is actively presiding over one or more legal procedures.)
Likewise, you can create the same distinction with your example:
See you in the courtroom.
This says that there's a place (the courtroom) where we will both be in the future, but does not specify what we will be doing: we could be involved in the trial or in the jury or even just spectators.
See you in court.
This says that we will be directly involved in a legal trial, usually as opposing parties on either side (although a judge might also say this to one of the litigants), and we will go through the process of holding the trial.
[Editing to add stuff about articles in front of abstract nouns.]
A few people have pointed out in the comments that you can use articles in front of what seem to be abstract nouns. This tends to be used when you are narrowing down the meaning to one specific instance of that abstraction. On another site, a frequent ELL contributor (FumbleFingers) wrote this:
[using] the focusses on a specific instance of something, whereas a implies one among many possibilities.
Examples:
The court ruled in favor of the defense. (one specific court)
To continue, we need access to a court of law. (one among many possibilities)
See you in court. (not specifically one instance; just the general abstract concept of formal legal proceedings and maybe I'm willing to drag you from venue to venue and through multiple appeals)
Or to use abstract noun "argument", which was raised in the comments:
This is not relevant to the argument. (the specific on we're having)
They were having an argument. (one argument at a particular time)
We can resolve this through argument. (the abstract concept of adversarial discussion, not necessarily confined to one single discussion)
And as a digression, you do see "the/a court" for other definitions of the noun court where it is a definite location. When speaking about a tennis court, for example, you could hear someone say:
See you on the court [to play a match of tennis].
answered 9 hours ago
Canadian YankeeCanadian Yankee
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edited 5 hours ago
answered 9 hours ago
Canadian YankeeCanadian Yankee
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answered 9 hours ago
Canadian YankeeCanadian Yankee
5,338919
answered 9 hours ago
Canadian YankeeCanadian Yankee
5,338919
5,338919
1
I'm not convinced that this use without an article with institutions is the same as the use for abstract nouns; but otherwise a good exposition. Note that in British English: "hospital" comes in that category: we would only say "in the hospital" if we were emphasising the particular hospital. This is not the case in American English (or Canadian?)
– Colin Fine
8 hours ago
3
@ColinFine - I think that using the institution without an article adds on the abstract concept of "being involved in the institution's primary purpose." Unless I'm wrong (I'm not native Canadian and the usage still isn't natural to me), even with the in hospital usage, you have "He's sick and in hospital," versus "She manages the janitorial department in a hospital." The former includes the abstraction of health care provided in a medical center; the latter is a concrete place that is a medical center.
– Canadian Yankee
7 hours ago
I don't think "abstract noun" is the right concept here at all. The abstract nouns "possibility", "argument", and "idea", for example, are all regularly used with "a" and "the". For that matter, the same is true of "court"; we say "The court ruled that [...]" (not *"Court ruled that [...]"), "Sometimes a case can be appealed to a higher court" (not *"to higher court"), etc., which are no less abstract than "in court".
– ruakh
6 hours ago
"To continue, we need access to a court of law" "This will be handled in the court of law" Of law seems to modify the word enough that articles are desirable.
– Aethenosity
5 hours ago
1
@ruakh : A frequent contributor to ELL noted in another forum that you can use articles in front of abstract nouns in some cases. Quoting: "[using] the focusses on a specific instance of something, whereas a implies one among many possibilities. I can add to my answer.
– Canadian Yankee
5 hours ago
|
show 6 more comments
1
I'm not convinced that this use without an article with institutions is the same as the use for abstract nouns; but otherwise a good exposition. Note that in British English: "hospital" comes in that category: we would only say "in the hospital" if we were emphasising the particular hospital. This is not the case in American English (or Canadian?)
– Colin Fine
8 hours ago
3
@ColinFine - I think that using the institution without an article adds on the abstract concept of "being involved in the institution's primary purpose." Unless I'm wrong (I'm not native Canadian and the usage still isn't natural to me), even with the in hospital usage, you have "He's sick and in hospital," versus "She manages the janitorial department in a hospital." The former includes the abstraction of health care provided in a medical center; the latter is a concrete place that is a medical center.
– Canadian Yankee
7 hours ago
I don't think "abstract noun" is the right concept here at all. The abstract nouns "possibility", "argument", and "idea", for example, are all regularly used with "a" and "the". For that matter, the same is true of "court"; we say "The court ruled that [...]" (not *"Court ruled that [...]"), "Sometimes a case can be appealed to a higher court" (not *"to higher court"), etc., which are no less abstract than "in court".
– ruakh
6 hours ago
"To continue, we need access to a court of law" "This will be handled in the court of law" Of law seems to modify the word enough that articles are desirable.
– Aethenosity
5 hours ago
1
@ruakh : A frequent contributor to ELL noted in another forum that you can use articles in front of abstract nouns in some cases. Quoting: "[using] the focusses on a specific instance of something, whereas a implies one among many possibilities. I can add to my answer.
– Canadian Yankee
5 hours ago
1
1
I'm not convinced that this use without an article with institutions is the same as the use for abstract nouns; but otherwise a good exposition. Note that in British English: "hospital" comes in that category: we would only say "in the hospital" if we were emphasising the particular hospital. This is not the case in American English (or Canadian?)
– Colin Fine
8 hours ago
I'm not convinced that this use without an article with institutions is the same as the use for abstract nouns; but otherwise a good exposition. Note that in British English: "hospital" comes in that category: we would only say "in the hospital" if we were emphasising the particular hospital. This is not the case in American English (or Canadian?)
– Colin Fine
8 hours ago
3
3
@ColinFine - I think that using the institution without an article adds on the abstract concept of "being involved in the institution's primary purpose." Unless I'm wrong (I'm not native Canadian and the usage still isn't natural to me), even with the in hospital usage, you have "He's sick and in hospital," versus "She manages the janitorial department in a hospital." The former includes the abstraction of health care provided in a medical center; the latter is a concrete place that is a medical center.
– Canadian Yankee
7 hours ago
@ColinFine - I think that using the institution without an article adds on the abstract concept of "being involved in the institution's primary purpose." Unless I'm wrong (I'm not native Canadian and the usage still isn't natural to me), even with the in hospital usage, you have "He's sick and in hospital," versus "She manages the janitorial department in a hospital." The former includes the abstraction of health care provided in a medical center; the latter is a concrete place that is a medical center.
– Canadian Yankee
7 hours ago
I don't think "abstract noun" is the right concept here at all. The abstract nouns "possibility", "argument", and "idea", for example, are all regularly used with "a" and "the". For that matter, the same is true of "court"; we say "The court ruled that [...]" (not *"Court ruled that [...]"), "Sometimes a case can be appealed to a higher court" (not *"to higher court"), etc., which are no less abstract than "in court".
– ruakh
6 hours ago
I don't think "abstract noun" is the right concept here at all. The abstract nouns "possibility", "argument", and "idea", for example, are all regularly used with "a" and "the". For that matter, the same is true of "court"; we say "The court ruled that [...]" (not *"Court ruled that [...]"), "Sometimes a case can be appealed to a higher court" (not *"to higher court"), etc., which are no less abstract than "in court".
– ruakh
6 hours ago
"To continue, we need access to a court of law" "This will be handled in the court of law" Of law seems to modify the word enough that articles are desirable.
– Aethenosity
5 hours ago
"To continue, we need access to a court of law" "This will be handled in the court of law" Of law seems to modify the word enough that articles are desirable.
– Aethenosity
5 hours ago
1
1
@ruakh : A frequent contributor to ELL noted in another forum that you can use articles in front of abstract nouns in some cases. Quoting: "[using] the focusses on a specific instance of something, whereas a implies one among many possibilities. I can add to my answer.
– Canadian Yankee
5 hours ago
@ruakh : A frequent contributor to ELL noted in another forum that you can use articles in front of abstract nouns in some cases. Quoting: "[using] the focusses on a specific instance of something, whereas a implies one among many possibilities. I can add to my answer.
– Canadian Yankee
5 hours ago
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'court' can be uncountable. That might be the reason.
– dan
9 hours ago