Should I tell HR the real reason I'm asking for unpaid leave?
I applied to attend a 10 day silent meditation retreat at the end of March/beginning of April this year and my application was accepted. My plan is to take those days off as unpaid leave.
For context, I work at a research company with 2800+ employees worldwide, based in the US. The company is pretty good about promoting a healthy work-life balance and usually provides a good deal of flexibility.
Now, my question is: Should I tell HR that I'm going to a meditation retreat? Self-exploration may not be seen as a "good enough" reason for taking time off in corporate America. Would it be better to come up with another excuse?
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I applied to attend a 10 day silent meditation retreat at the end of March/beginning of April this year and my application was accepted. My plan is to take those days off as unpaid leave.
For context, I work at a research company with 2800+ employees worldwide, based in the US. The company is pretty good about promoting a healthy work-life balance and usually provides a good deal of flexibility.
Now, my question is: Should I tell HR that I'm going to a meditation retreat? Self-exploration may not be seen as a "good enough" reason for taking time off in corporate America. Would it be better to come up with another excuse?
human-resources leave-of-absence
asked 11 hours ago
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Keep in mind it's more like 12 days + transport. Is anyone in your management chain a likely Trump or Brexit voter?
– Harper
5 hours ago
You should check the employee handbook to see what it states regarding unpaid leave of absence. Medium and larger companies will typically have some sort of policy in place regarding what is considered acceptable.
– GlenH7
3 hours ago
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I applied to attend a 10 day silent meditation retreat at the end of March/beginning of April this year and my application was accepted. My plan is to take those days off as unpaid leave.
For context, I work at a research company with 2800+ employees worldwide, based in the US. The company is pretty good about promoting a healthy work-life balance and usually provides a good deal of flexibility.
Now, my question is: Should I tell HR that I'm going to a meditation retreat? Self-exploration may not be seen as a "good enough" reason for taking time off in corporate America. Would it be better to come up with another excuse?
human-resources leave-of-absence
asked 11 hours ago
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I applied to attend a 10 day silent meditation retreat at the end of March/beginning of April this year and my application was accepted. My plan is to take those days off as unpaid leave.
For context, I work at a research company with 2800+ employees worldwide, based in the US. The company is pretty good about promoting a healthy work-life balance and usually provides a good deal of flexibility.
Now, my question is: Should I tell HR that I'm going to a meditation retreat? Self-exploration may not be seen as a "good enough" reason for taking time off in corporate America. Would it be better to come up with another excuse?
human-resources leave-of-absence
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Keep in mind it's more like 12 days + transport. Is anyone in your management chain a likely Trump or Brexit voter?
– Harper
5 hours ago
You should check the employee handbook to see what it states regarding unpaid leave of absence. Medium and larger companies will typically have some sort of policy in place regarding what is considered acceptable.
– GlenH7
3 hours ago
add a comment |
Keep in mind it's more like 12 days + transport. Is anyone in your management chain a likely Trump or Brexit voter?
– Harper
5 hours ago
You should check the employee handbook to see what it states regarding unpaid leave of absence. Medium and larger companies will typically have some sort of policy in place regarding what is considered acceptable.
– GlenH7
3 hours ago
Keep in mind it's more like 12 days + transport. Is anyone in your management chain a likely Trump or Brexit voter?
– Harper
5 hours ago
Keep in mind it's more like 12 days + transport. Is anyone in your management chain a likely Trump or Brexit voter?
– Harper
5 hours ago
You should check the employee handbook to see what it states regarding unpaid leave of absence. Medium and larger companies will typically have some sort of policy in place regarding what is considered acceptable.
– GlenH7
3 hours ago
You should check the employee handbook to see what it states regarding unpaid leave of absence. Medium and larger companies will typically have some sort of policy in place regarding what is considered acceptable.
– GlenH7
3 hours ago
add a comment |
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Should I tell HR that I'm going to a meditation retreat?
Self-exploration may not be seen as a "good enough" reason for taking
time off in corporate America. Would it be better to come up with
another excuse?
You are taking a vacation.
Assuming you are normally permitted to take unpaid time off when desired, there's absolutely no reason HR needs to know what you plan to do during that vacation. In a company of 2800+, they have far bigger issues to worry about.
There's no need to come up with any excuse. "Taking an unpaid vacation" is all anyone needs to know.
If taking unpaid leave would require an exception to normal processes, you can still indicate that these 10 days are vacation time (they are). You'll have to judge for yourself if more justification is needed in order to secure the exception. If more justification is required, then just be completely transparent and explain about the retreat.
In companies where I have worked, unpaid leave must be approved by a manager before it is granted. If that's the case in your company, next time get your manager's approval before applying to a retreat. And in that case, HR will seldom care at all as long as a manager has approved.
answered 11 hours ago
Joe StrazzereJoe Strazzere
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We just had a Tech Lead take a 2 month sabbatical. As long as your manager approved with all of the paperwork needed, you don't have to disclose why you're going on vacation and you don't need to disclose the leave is unpaid.
– jcmack
10 hours ago
add a comment |
One more time with feeling....
HR IS NOT YOUR FRIEND
Consider HR on a need to know basis.
If they don't need to know, don't tell them.
Talking to HR is like talking to the police, "Everything you say can and will be used against you".
Now, if HR does demand a reason, YOU TELL THEM THE TRUTH! You do not lie to HR, not ever. Lying to HR will in the very least result in a note in your file, at most, termination with a "do not rehire" note in your file.
So, be ready to be turned down if they don't like the reason.
If you can be vague with something like "I need to deal with some personal business", do so, but do not give details unless required.
answered 9 hours ago
Richard URichard U
90.8k64233362
2
Absolutely agree with this answer, I would add: in the event they want to turn down your request you could then suggest you need this for your health and wellbeing (which is probably true anyway) and this is something that may be backed up by a doctor. I've never seen HR turn down a request backed up with a letter from a doctor.
– solarflare
9 hours ago
Why would and how could HR be allowed to "demand a reason"? Can HR suddenly go "Well, we demand to know why you're taking a vacation."? Wouldn't this be a problem in general (e.g. potential intimidation from those in higher positions, whatever that gets classified under (e.g. hostile workplace))?
– code_dredd
8 hours ago
1
@code_dredd some industries can have times where they only want a certain number of staff away on leave so there is still enough staff to work. If the quota is full then you might need a good reason (ie a medical reason) to demand leave. HR normally wouldn't ask why you're leaving but they can refuse approval in which case you want to be prepared.
– solarflare
8 hours ago
2
Yet the old saying is "the police is your friend". That's what society is built on.
– paul23
5 hours ago
1
@paul23 that's really context sensitive. If something has happened and you need help, yes, the police can be your friend. If you're being questioned, there's no upside for you, and you need to get representation before saying anything other than requesting what legal representation you're legally entitled to in that jurisdiction.
– Morgen
5 hours ago
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Should I tell HR that I'm going to a meditation retreat?
Self-exploration may not be seen as a "good enough" reason for taking
time off in corporate America. Would it be better to come up with
another excuse?
You are taking a vacation.
Assuming you are normally permitted to take unpaid time off when desired, there's absolutely no reason HR needs to know what you plan to do during that vacation. In a company of 2800+, they have far bigger issues to worry about.
There's no need to come up with any excuse. "Taking an unpaid vacation" is all anyone needs to know.
If taking unpaid leave would require an exception to normal processes, you can still indicate that these 10 days are vacation time (they are). You'll have to judge for yourself if more justification is needed in order to secure the exception. If more justification is required, then just be completely transparent and explain about the retreat.
In companies where I have worked, unpaid leave must be approved by a manager before it is granted. If that's the case in your company, next time get your manager's approval before applying to a retreat. And in that case, HR will seldom care at all as long as a manager has approved.
answered 11 hours ago
Joe StrazzereJoe Strazzere
245k1207171016
7
We just had a Tech Lead take a 2 month sabbatical. As long as your manager approved with all of the paperwork needed, you don't have to disclose why you're going on vacation and you don't need to disclose the leave is unpaid.
– jcmack
10 hours ago
add a comment |
Should I tell HR that I'm going to a meditation retreat?
Self-exploration may not be seen as a "good enough" reason for taking
time off in corporate America. Would it be better to come up with
another excuse?
You are taking a vacation.
Assuming you are normally permitted to take unpaid time off when desired, there's absolutely no reason HR needs to know what you plan to do during that vacation. In a company of 2800+, they have far bigger issues to worry about.
There's no need to come up with any excuse. "Taking an unpaid vacation" is all anyone needs to know.
If taking unpaid leave would require an exception to normal processes, you can still indicate that these 10 days are vacation time (they are). You'll have to judge for yourself if more justification is needed in order to secure the exception. If more justification is required, then just be completely transparent and explain about the retreat.
In companies where I have worked, unpaid leave must be approved by a manager before it is granted. If that's the case in your company, next time get your manager's approval before applying to a retreat. And in that case, HR will seldom care at all as long as a manager has approved.
answered 11 hours ago
Joe StrazzereJoe Strazzere
245k1207171016
7
We just had a Tech Lead take a 2 month sabbatical. As long as your manager approved with all of the paperwork needed, you don't have to disclose why you're going on vacation and you don't need to disclose the leave is unpaid.
– jcmack
10 hours ago
add a comment |
Should I tell HR that I'm going to a meditation retreat?
Self-exploration may not be seen as a "good enough" reason for taking
time off in corporate America. Would it be better to come up with
another excuse?
You are taking a vacation.
Assuming you are normally permitted to take unpaid time off when desired, there's absolutely no reason HR needs to know what you plan to do during that vacation. In a company of 2800+, they have far bigger issues to worry about.
There's no need to come up with any excuse. "Taking an unpaid vacation" is all anyone needs to know.
If taking unpaid leave would require an exception to normal processes, you can still indicate that these 10 days are vacation time (they are). You'll have to judge for yourself if more justification is needed in order to secure the exception. If more justification is required, then just be completely transparent and explain about the retreat.
In companies where I have worked, unpaid leave must be approved by a manager before it is granted. If that's the case in your company, next time get your manager's approval before applying to a retreat. And in that case, HR will seldom care at all as long as a manager has approved.
answered 11 hours ago
Joe StrazzereJoe Strazzere
245k1207171016
Should I tell HR that I'm going to a meditation retreat?
Self-exploration may not be seen as a "good enough" reason for taking
time off in corporate America. Would it be better to come up with
another excuse?
You are taking a vacation.
Assuming you are normally permitted to take unpaid time off when desired, there's absolutely no reason HR needs to know what you plan to do during that vacation. In a company of 2800+, they have far bigger issues to worry about.
There's no need to come up with any excuse. "Taking an unpaid vacation" is all anyone needs to know.
If taking unpaid leave would require an exception to normal processes, you can still indicate that these 10 days are vacation time (they are). You'll have to judge for yourself if more justification is needed in order to secure the exception. If more justification is required, then just be completely transparent and explain about the retreat.
In companies where I have worked, unpaid leave must be approved by a manager before it is granted. If that's the case in your company, next time get your manager's approval before applying to a retreat. And in that case, HR will seldom care at all as long as a manager has approved.
answered 11 hours ago
Joe StrazzereJoe Strazzere
245k1207171016
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answered 11 hours ago
Joe StrazzereJoe Strazzere
245k1207171016
answered 11 hours ago
Joe StrazzereJoe Strazzere
245k1207171016
answered 11 hours ago
Joe StrazzereJoe Strazzere
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245k1207171016
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We just had a Tech Lead take a 2 month sabbatical. As long as your manager approved with all of the paperwork needed, you don't have to disclose why you're going on vacation and you don't need to disclose the leave is unpaid.
– jcmack
10 hours ago
add a comment |
7
We just had a Tech Lead take a 2 month sabbatical. As long as your manager approved with all of the paperwork needed, you don't have to disclose why you're going on vacation and you don't need to disclose the leave is unpaid.
– jcmack
10 hours ago
7
7
We just had a Tech Lead take a 2 month sabbatical. As long as your manager approved with all of the paperwork needed, you don't have to disclose why you're going on vacation and you don't need to disclose the leave is unpaid.
– jcmack
10 hours ago
We just had a Tech Lead take a 2 month sabbatical. As long as your manager approved with all of the paperwork needed, you don't have to disclose why you're going on vacation and you don't need to disclose the leave is unpaid.
– jcmack
10 hours ago
add a comment |
One more time with feeling....
HR IS NOT YOUR FRIEND
Consider HR on a need to know basis.
If they don't need to know, don't tell them.
Talking to HR is like talking to the police, "Everything you say can and will be used against you".
Now, if HR does demand a reason, YOU TELL THEM THE TRUTH! You do not lie to HR, not ever. Lying to HR will in the very least result in a note in your file, at most, termination with a "do not rehire" note in your file.
So, be ready to be turned down if they don't like the reason.
If you can be vague with something like "I need to deal with some personal business", do so, but do not give details unless required.
answered 9 hours ago
Richard URichard U
90.8k64233362
2
Absolutely agree with this answer, I would add: in the event they want to turn down your request you could then suggest you need this for your health and wellbeing (which is probably true anyway) and this is something that may be backed up by a doctor. I've never seen HR turn down a request backed up with a letter from a doctor.
– solarflare
9 hours ago
Why would and how could HR be allowed to "demand a reason"? Can HR suddenly go "Well, we demand to know why you're taking a vacation."? Wouldn't this be a problem in general (e.g. potential intimidation from those in higher positions, whatever that gets classified under (e.g. hostile workplace))?
– code_dredd
8 hours ago
1
@code_dredd some industries can have times where they only want a certain number of staff away on leave so there is still enough staff to work. If the quota is full then you might need a good reason (ie a medical reason) to demand leave. HR normally wouldn't ask why you're leaving but they can refuse approval in which case you want to be prepared.
– solarflare
8 hours ago
2
Yet the old saying is "the police is your friend". That's what society is built on.
– paul23
5 hours ago
1
@paul23 that's really context sensitive. If something has happened and you need help, yes, the police can be your friend. If you're being questioned, there's no upside for you, and you need to get representation before saying anything other than requesting what legal representation you're legally entitled to in that jurisdiction.
– Morgen
5 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
One more time with feeling....
HR IS NOT YOUR FRIEND
Consider HR on a need to know basis.
If they don't need to know, don't tell them.
Talking to HR is like talking to the police, "Everything you say can and will be used against you".
Now, if HR does demand a reason, YOU TELL THEM THE TRUTH! You do not lie to HR, not ever. Lying to HR will in the very least result in a note in your file, at most, termination with a "do not rehire" note in your file.
So, be ready to be turned down if they don't like the reason.
If you can be vague with something like "I need to deal with some personal business", do so, but do not give details unless required.
answered 9 hours ago
Richard URichard U
90.8k64233362
2
Absolutely agree with this answer, I would add: in the event they want to turn down your request you could then suggest you need this for your health and wellbeing (which is probably true anyway) and this is something that may be backed up by a doctor. I've never seen HR turn down a request backed up with a letter from a doctor.
– solarflare
9 hours ago
Why would and how could HR be allowed to "demand a reason"? Can HR suddenly go "Well, we demand to know why you're taking a vacation."? Wouldn't this be a problem in general (e.g. potential intimidation from those in higher positions, whatever that gets classified under (e.g. hostile workplace))?
– code_dredd
8 hours ago
1
@code_dredd some industries can have times where they only want a certain number of staff away on leave so there is still enough staff to work. If the quota is full then you might need a good reason (ie a medical reason) to demand leave. HR normally wouldn't ask why you're leaving but they can refuse approval in which case you want to be prepared.
– solarflare
8 hours ago
2
Yet the old saying is "the police is your friend". That's what society is built on.
– paul23
5 hours ago
1
@paul23 that's really context sensitive. If something has happened and you need help, yes, the police can be your friend. If you're being questioned, there's no upside for you, and you need to get representation before saying anything other than requesting what legal representation you're legally entitled to in that jurisdiction.
– Morgen
5 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
One more time with feeling....
HR IS NOT YOUR FRIEND
Consider HR on a need to know basis.
If they don't need to know, don't tell them.
Talking to HR is like talking to the police, "Everything you say can and will be used against you".
Now, if HR does demand a reason, YOU TELL THEM THE TRUTH! You do not lie to HR, not ever. Lying to HR will in the very least result in a note in your file, at most, termination with a "do not rehire" note in your file.
So, be ready to be turned down if they don't like the reason.
If you can be vague with something like "I need to deal with some personal business", do so, but do not give details unless required.
answered 9 hours ago
Richard URichard U
90.8k64233362
One more time with feeling....
HR IS NOT YOUR FRIEND
Consider HR on a need to know basis.
If they don't need to know, don't tell them.
Talking to HR is like talking to the police, "Everything you say can and will be used against you".
Now, if HR does demand a reason, YOU TELL THEM THE TRUTH! You do not lie to HR, not ever. Lying to HR will in the very least result in a note in your file, at most, termination with a "do not rehire" note in your file.
So, be ready to be turned down if they don't like the reason.
If you can be vague with something like "I need to deal with some personal business", do so, but do not give details unless required.
answered 9 hours ago
Richard URichard U
90.8k64233362
answered 9 hours ago
Richard URichard U
90.8k64233362
answered 9 hours ago
Richard URichard U
90.8k64233362
answered 9 hours ago
Richard URichard U
90.8k64233362
90.8k64233362
2
Absolutely agree with this answer, I would add: in the event they want to turn down your request you could then suggest you need this for your health and wellbeing (which is probably true anyway) and this is something that may be backed up by a doctor. I've never seen HR turn down a request backed up with a letter from a doctor.
– solarflare
9 hours ago
Why would and how could HR be allowed to "demand a reason"? Can HR suddenly go "Well, we demand to know why you're taking a vacation."? Wouldn't this be a problem in general (e.g. potential intimidation from those in higher positions, whatever that gets classified under (e.g. hostile workplace))?
– code_dredd
8 hours ago
1
@code_dredd some industries can have times where they only want a certain number of staff away on leave so there is still enough staff to work. If the quota is full then you might need a good reason (ie a medical reason) to demand leave. HR normally wouldn't ask why you're leaving but they can refuse approval in which case you want to be prepared.
– solarflare
8 hours ago
2
Yet the old saying is "the police is your friend". That's what society is built on.
– paul23
5 hours ago
1
@paul23 that's really context sensitive. If something has happened and you need help, yes, the police can be your friend. If you're being questioned, there's no upside for you, and you need to get representation before saying anything other than requesting what legal representation you're legally entitled to in that jurisdiction.
– Morgen
5 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
2
Absolutely agree with this answer, I would add: in the event they want to turn down your request you could then suggest you need this for your health and wellbeing (which is probably true anyway) and this is something that may be backed up by a doctor. I've never seen HR turn down a request backed up with a letter from a doctor.
– solarflare
9 hours ago
Why would and how could HR be allowed to "demand a reason"? Can HR suddenly go "Well, we demand to know why you're taking a vacation."? Wouldn't this be a problem in general (e.g. potential intimidation from those in higher positions, whatever that gets classified under (e.g. hostile workplace))?
– code_dredd
8 hours ago
1
@code_dredd some industries can have times where they only want a certain number of staff away on leave so there is still enough staff to work. If the quota is full then you might need a good reason (ie a medical reason) to demand leave. HR normally wouldn't ask why you're leaving but they can refuse approval in which case you want to be prepared.
– solarflare
8 hours ago
2
Yet the old saying is "the police is your friend". That's what society is built on.
– paul23
5 hours ago
1
@paul23 that's really context sensitive. If something has happened and you need help, yes, the police can be your friend. If you're being questioned, there's no upside for you, and you need to get representation before saying anything other than requesting what legal representation you're legally entitled to in that jurisdiction.
– Morgen
5 hours ago
2
2
Absolutely agree with this answer, I would add: in the event they want to turn down your request you could then suggest you need this for your health and wellbeing (which is probably true anyway) and this is something that may be backed up by a doctor. I've never seen HR turn down a request backed up with a letter from a doctor.
– solarflare
9 hours ago
Absolutely agree with this answer, I would add: in the event they want to turn down your request you could then suggest you need this for your health and wellbeing (which is probably true anyway) and this is something that may be backed up by a doctor. I've never seen HR turn down a request backed up with a letter from a doctor.
– solarflare
9 hours ago
Why would and how could HR be allowed to "demand a reason"? Can HR suddenly go "Well, we demand to know why you're taking a vacation."? Wouldn't this be a problem in general (e.g. potential intimidation from those in higher positions, whatever that gets classified under (e.g. hostile workplace))?
– code_dredd
8 hours ago
Why would and how could HR be allowed to "demand a reason"? Can HR suddenly go "Well, we demand to know why you're taking a vacation."? Wouldn't this be a problem in general (e.g. potential intimidation from those in higher positions, whatever that gets classified under (e.g. hostile workplace))?
– code_dredd
8 hours ago
1
1
@code_dredd some industries can have times where they only want a certain number of staff away on leave so there is still enough staff to work. If the quota is full then you might need a good reason (ie a medical reason) to demand leave. HR normally wouldn't ask why you're leaving but they can refuse approval in which case you want to be prepared.
– solarflare
8 hours ago
@code_dredd some industries can have times where they only want a certain number of staff away on leave so there is still enough staff to work. If the quota is full then you might need a good reason (ie a medical reason) to demand leave. HR normally wouldn't ask why you're leaving but they can refuse approval in which case you want to be prepared.
– solarflare
8 hours ago
2
2
Yet the old saying is "the police is your friend". That's what society is built on.
– paul23
5 hours ago
Yet the old saying is "the police is your friend". That's what society is built on.
– paul23
5 hours ago
1
1
@paul23 that's really context sensitive. If something has happened and you need help, yes, the police can be your friend. If you're being questioned, there's no upside for you, and you need to get representation before saying anything other than requesting what legal representation you're legally entitled to in that jurisdiction.
– Morgen
5 hours ago
@paul23 that's really context sensitive. If something has happened and you need help, yes, the police can be your friend. If you're being questioned, there's no upside for you, and you need to get representation before saying anything other than requesting what legal representation you're legally entitled to in that jurisdiction.
– Morgen
5 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
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Keep in mind it's more like 12 days + transport. Is anyone in your management chain a likely Trump or Brexit voter?
– Harper
5 hours ago
You should check the employee handbook to see what it states regarding unpaid leave of absence. Medium and larger companies will typically have some sort of policy in place regarding what is considered acceptable.
– GlenH7
3 hours ago