Is it ethical to recieve stipend after publishing enough papers?
In my institute, it is necessary for a Ph.D student to publish two research papers in SCI or SCIE journals to become eligible for Ph.D.
Although it is not a sufficient condition, but it is the only key task and the remaining tasks need only the presence of student.
I observed some students (infact very few) completing the process of publishing papers in first 2-3 semesters and does his/her own work independent of Ph.D , such as preparing for competitions, jobs etc., in remaining 3-8 semesters.
Is it ethical to take stipend without doing any actual work?
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In my institute, it is necessary for a Ph.D student to publish two research papers in SCI or SCIE journals to become eligible for Ph.D.
Although it is not a sufficient condition, but it is the only key task and the remaining tasks need only the presence of student.
I observed some students (infact very few) completing the process of publishing papers in first 2-3 semesters and does his/her own work independent of Ph.D , such as preparing for competitions, jobs etc., in remaining 3-8 semesters.
Is it ethical to take stipend without doing any actual work?
phd ethics
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Ministry pays the stipend. Their guidelines says that 2 papers are mandatory, 3 years is minimum and 5 years is maximum. Not subjected to any performance conditions @henning
– hanugm
17 hours ago
3
Let me flip this question around: would it be ethical to produce no publishable output for the first 3-8 semesters, and only fulfill the stipend requirements in the final 2-3 semesters?
– Nuclear Wang
16 hours ago
2
Is it ethical to receive a raise after doing good work? Rereading the question, your real issue is with others, having met the criteria, not working hard enough in your opinion. However, the opinion that counts is the funding source, not you. If they are satisfied, then it is OK.
– Jon Custer
16 hours ago
5
I have a hard time believing the premise here - students actually manage to produce enough content for a PhD in 2-3 semesters and then are allowed by their advisors to hang around on a stipend for 3-8 additional semesters (without publishing, presumably?). I'm not buying either part of this, sorry.
– xLeitix
15 hours ago
2
In this case, "using rules to get advantages" just sounds like abiding by rules which provide advantages to the student. I think it is unethical to rescind a stipend unless a student is breaking the terms of their contract.
– AninOnin
11 hours ago
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In my institute, it is necessary for a Ph.D student to publish two research papers in SCI or SCIE journals to become eligible for Ph.D.
Although it is not a sufficient condition, but it is the only key task and the remaining tasks need only the presence of student.
I observed some students (infact very few) completing the process of publishing papers in first 2-3 semesters and does his/her own work independent of Ph.D , such as preparing for competitions, jobs etc., in remaining 3-8 semesters.
Is it ethical to take stipend without doing any actual work?
phd ethics
In my institute, it is necessary for a Ph.D student to publish two research papers in SCI or SCIE journals to become eligible for Ph.D.
Although it is not a sufficient condition, but it is the only key task and the remaining tasks need only the presence of student.
I observed some students (infact very few) completing the process of publishing papers in first 2-3 semesters and does his/her own work independent of Ph.D , such as preparing for competitions, jobs etc., in remaining 3-8 semesters.
Is it ethical to take stipend without doing any actual work?
phd ethics
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Ministry pays the stipend. Their guidelines says that 2 papers are mandatory, 3 years is minimum and 5 years is maximum. Not subjected to any performance conditions @henning
– hanugm
17 hours ago
3
Let me flip this question around: would it be ethical to produce no publishable output for the first 3-8 semesters, and only fulfill the stipend requirements in the final 2-3 semesters?
– Nuclear Wang
16 hours ago
2
Is it ethical to receive a raise after doing good work? Rereading the question, your real issue is with others, having met the criteria, not working hard enough in your opinion. However, the opinion that counts is the funding source, not you. If they are satisfied, then it is OK.
– Jon Custer
16 hours ago
5
I have a hard time believing the premise here - students actually manage to produce enough content for a PhD in 2-3 semesters and then are allowed by their advisors to hang around on a stipend for 3-8 additional semesters (without publishing, presumably?). I'm not buying either part of this, sorry.
– xLeitix
15 hours ago
2
In this case, "using rules to get advantages" just sounds like abiding by rules which provide advantages to the student. I think it is unethical to rescind a stipend unless a student is breaking the terms of their contract.
– AninOnin
11 hours ago
|
show 3 more comments
4
Ministry pays the stipend. Their guidelines says that 2 papers are mandatory, 3 years is minimum and 5 years is maximum. Not subjected to any performance conditions @henning
– hanugm
17 hours ago
3
Let me flip this question around: would it be ethical to produce no publishable output for the first 3-8 semesters, and only fulfill the stipend requirements in the final 2-3 semesters?
– Nuclear Wang
16 hours ago
2
Is it ethical to receive a raise after doing good work? Rereading the question, your real issue is with others, having met the criteria, not working hard enough in your opinion. However, the opinion that counts is the funding source, not you. If they are satisfied, then it is OK.
– Jon Custer
16 hours ago
5
I have a hard time believing the premise here - students actually manage to produce enough content for a PhD in 2-3 semesters and then are allowed by their advisors to hang around on a stipend for 3-8 additional semesters (without publishing, presumably?). I'm not buying either part of this, sorry.
– xLeitix
15 hours ago
2
In this case, "using rules to get advantages" just sounds like abiding by rules which provide advantages to the student. I think it is unethical to rescind a stipend unless a student is breaking the terms of their contract.
– AninOnin
11 hours ago
4
4
Ministry pays the stipend. Their guidelines says that 2 papers are mandatory, 3 years is minimum and 5 years is maximum. Not subjected to any performance conditions @henning
– hanugm
17 hours ago
Ministry pays the stipend. Their guidelines says that 2 papers are mandatory, 3 years is minimum and 5 years is maximum. Not subjected to any performance conditions @henning
– hanugm
17 hours ago
3
3
Let me flip this question around: would it be ethical to produce no publishable output for the first 3-8 semesters, and only fulfill the stipend requirements in the final 2-3 semesters?
– Nuclear Wang
16 hours ago
Let me flip this question around: would it be ethical to produce no publishable output for the first 3-8 semesters, and only fulfill the stipend requirements in the final 2-3 semesters?
– Nuclear Wang
16 hours ago
2
2
Is it ethical to receive a raise after doing good work? Rereading the question, your real issue is with others, having met the criteria, not working hard enough in your opinion. However, the opinion that counts is the funding source, not you. If they are satisfied, then it is OK.
– Jon Custer
16 hours ago
Is it ethical to receive a raise after doing good work? Rereading the question, your real issue is with others, having met the criteria, not working hard enough in your opinion. However, the opinion that counts is the funding source, not you. If they are satisfied, then it is OK.
– Jon Custer
16 hours ago
5
5
I have a hard time believing the premise here - students actually manage to produce enough content for a PhD in 2-3 semesters and then are allowed by their advisors to hang around on a stipend for 3-8 additional semesters (without publishing, presumably?). I'm not buying either part of this, sorry.
– xLeitix
15 hours ago
I have a hard time believing the premise here - students actually manage to produce enough content for a PhD in 2-3 semesters and then are allowed by their advisors to hang around on a stipend for 3-8 additional semesters (without publishing, presumably?). I'm not buying either part of this, sorry.
– xLeitix
15 hours ago
2
2
In this case, "using rules to get advantages" just sounds like abiding by rules which provide advantages to the student. I think it is unethical to rescind a stipend unless a student is breaking the terms of their contract.
– AninOnin
11 hours ago
In this case, "using rules to get advantages" just sounds like abiding by rules which provide advantages to the student. I think it is unethical to rescind a stipend unless a student is breaking the terms of their contract.
– AninOnin
11 hours ago
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Whether this is appropriate ("ethical") or not depends on the applicable rules.
As per your comment, the funding agency's guidelines don't make the stipend conditional on any performance criteria beyond the two published papers. They also provide for a maximum duration of five years within which the stipend can be consumed.
Producing the papers during the first two or so years and consuming the stipend for the remaining time while advancing one's career in other ways (publishing more, writing grant proposals and applications...) doesn't contradict the applicables rules. It's perfectly appropriate, and perhaps even expected behavior.
If it were not, the agency could have attached further conditions to the continued payment of the stipend, it could have limited the payment to the time that is actually needed to publish the two papers and graduate, or it could have introduced regular performance reviews.
Aside: Most likely, if you graduate early, you will not consume the entire stipend but rather prepare for the job market and move on. Living on a stipend is not terribly attractive, and climbing to a more prestigious position, or one with better research opportunities, is a good career move. The agency will probably also have an interest in their alumni succeeding, "even" if this means paying out the full stipend they promised and budgeted for.
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In general it is ethical to take something that is offered in such a situation. The people paying the stipend have a say in where the money goes. I assume that they are aware of the situation and that no one is defrauding the institutions.
In fact, this is probably viewed as a positive situation; an encouragement to work hard from the very beginning. Working on his/her own work is a positive, not a negative thing. It benefits the institution if such students produce more work, making them more desirable in the job market later.
The willingness to keep paying students may also recognize the difficulty of obtaining permanent positions in some fields and wanting to give their students an advantage in finding the right employment.
Since the flow of money is controlled by others, who have their own incentives, and since it is carried out in the open, I see no ethical conflict on the part of the students.
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Whether this is appropriate ("ethical") or not depends on the applicable rules.
As per your comment, the funding agency's guidelines don't make the stipend conditional on any performance criteria beyond the two published papers. They also provide for a maximum duration of five years within which the stipend can be consumed.
Producing the papers during the first two or so years and consuming the stipend for the remaining time while advancing one's career in other ways (publishing more, writing grant proposals and applications...) doesn't contradict the applicables rules. It's perfectly appropriate, and perhaps even expected behavior.
If it were not, the agency could have attached further conditions to the continued payment of the stipend, it could have limited the payment to the time that is actually needed to publish the two papers and graduate, or it could have introduced regular performance reviews.
Aside: Most likely, if you graduate early, you will not consume the entire stipend but rather prepare for the job market and move on. Living on a stipend is not terribly attractive, and climbing to a more prestigious position, or one with better research opportunities, is a good career move. The agency will probably also have an interest in their alumni succeeding, "even" if this means paying out the full stipend they promised and budgeted for.
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Whether this is appropriate ("ethical") or not depends on the applicable rules.
As per your comment, the funding agency's guidelines don't make the stipend conditional on any performance criteria beyond the two published papers. They also provide for a maximum duration of five years within which the stipend can be consumed.
Producing the papers during the first two or so years and consuming the stipend for the remaining time while advancing one's career in other ways (publishing more, writing grant proposals and applications...) doesn't contradict the applicables rules. It's perfectly appropriate, and perhaps even expected behavior.
If it were not, the agency could have attached further conditions to the continued payment of the stipend, it could have limited the payment to the time that is actually needed to publish the two papers and graduate, or it could have introduced regular performance reviews.
Aside: Most likely, if you graduate early, you will not consume the entire stipend but rather prepare for the job market and move on. Living on a stipend is not terribly attractive, and climbing to a more prestigious position, or one with better research opportunities, is a good career move. The agency will probably also have an interest in their alumni succeeding, "even" if this means paying out the full stipend they promised and budgeted for.
add a comment |
Whether this is appropriate ("ethical") or not depends on the applicable rules.
As per your comment, the funding agency's guidelines don't make the stipend conditional on any performance criteria beyond the two published papers. They also provide for a maximum duration of five years within which the stipend can be consumed.
Producing the papers during the first two or so years and consuming the stipend for the remaining time while advancing one's career in other ways (publishing more, writing grant proposals and applications...) doesn't contradict the applicables rules. It's perfectly appropriate, and perhaps even expected behavior.
If it were not, the agency could have attached further conditions to the continued payment of the stipend, it could have limited the payment to the time that is actually needed to publish the two papers and graduate, or it could have introduced regular performance reviews.
Aside: Most likely, if you graduate early, you will not consume the entire stipend but rather prepare for the job market and move on. Living on a stipend is not terribly attractive, and climbing to a more prestigious position, or one with better research opportunities, is a good career move. The agency will probably also have an interest in their alumni succeeding, "even" if this means paying out the full stipend they promised and budgeted for.
Whether this is appropriate ("ethical") or not depends on the applicable rules.
As per your comment, the funding agency's guidelines don't make the stipend conditional on any performance criteria beyond the two published papers. They also provide for a maximum duration of five years within which the stipend can be consumed.
Producing the papers during the first two or so years and consuming the stipend for the remaining time while advancing one's career in other ways (publishing more, writing grant proposals and applications...) doesn't contradict the applicables rules. It's perfectly appropriate, and perhaps even expected behavior.
If it were not, the agency could have attached further conditions to the continued payment of the stipend, it could have limited the payment to the time that is actually needed to publish the two papers and graduate, or it could have introduced regular performance reviews.
Aside: Most likely, if you graduate early, you will not consume the entire stipend but rather prepare for the job market and move on. Living on a stipend is not terribly attractive, and climbing to a more prestigious position, or one with better research opportunities, is a good career move. The agency will probably also have an interest in their alumni succeeding, "even" if this means paying out the full stipend they promised and budgeted for.
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In general it is ethical to take something that is offered in such a situation. The people paying the stipend have a say in where the money goes. I assume that they are aware of the situation and that no one is defrauding the institutions.
In fact, this is probably viewed as a positive situation; an encouragement to work hard from the very beginning. Working on his/her own work is a positive, not a negative thing. It benefits the institution if such students produce more work, making them more desirable in the job market later.
The willingness to keep paying students may also recognize the difficulty of obtaining permanent positions in some fields and wanting to give their students an advantage in finding the right employment.
Since the flow of money is controlled by others, who have their own incentives, and since it is carried out in the open, I see no ethical conflict on the part of the students.
add a comment |
In general it is ethical to take something that is offered in such a situation. The people paying the stipend have a say in where the money goes. I assume that they are aware of the situation and that no one is defrauding the institutions.
In fact, this is probably viewed as a positive situation; an encouragement to work hard from the very beginning. Working on his/her own work is a positive, not a negative thing. It benefits the institution if such students produce more work, making them more desirable in the job market later.
The willingness to keep paying students may also recognize the difficulty of obtaining permanent positions in some fields and wanting to give their students an advantage in finding the right employment.
Since the flow of money is controlled by others, who have their own incentives, and since it is carried out in the open, I see no ethical conflict on the part of the students.
add a comment |
In general it is ethical to take something that is offered in such a situation. The people paying the stipend have a say in where the money goes. I assume that they are aware of the situation and that no one is defrauding the institutions.
In fact, this is probably viewed as a positive situation; an encouragement to work hard from the very beginning. Working on his/her own work is a positive, not a negative thing. It benefits the institution if such students produce more work, making them more desirable in the job market later.
The willingness to keep paying students may also recognize the difficulty of obtaining permanent positions in some fields and wanting to give their students an advantage in finding the right employment.
Since the flow of money is controlled by others, who have their own incentives, and since it is carried out in the open, I see no ethical conflict on the part of the students.
In general it is ethical to take something that is offered in such a situation. The people paying the stipend have a say in where the money goes. I assume that they are aware of the situation and that no one is defrauding the institutions.
In fact, this is probably viewed as a positive situation; an encouragement to work hard from the very beginning. Working on his/her own work is a positive, not a negative thing. It benefits the institution if such students produce more work, making them more desirable in the job market later.
The willingness to keep paying students may also recognize the difficulty of obtaining permanent positions in some fields and wanting to give their students an advantage in finding the right employment.
Since the flow of money is controlled by others, who have their own incentives, and since it is carried out in the open, I see no ethical conflict on the part of the students.
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Ministry pays the stipend. Their guidelines says that 2 papers are mandatory, 3 years is minimum and 5 years is maximum. Not subjected to any performance conditions @henning
– hanugm
17 hours ago
3
Let me flip this question around: would it be ethical to produce no publishable output for the first 3-8 semesters, and only fulfill the stipend requirements in the final 2-3 semesters?
– Nuclear Wang
16 hours ago
2
Is it ethical to receive a raise after doing good work? Rereading the question, your real issue is with others, having met the criteria, not working hard enough in your opinion. However, the opinion that counts is the funding source, not you. If they are satisfied, then it is OK.
– Jon Custer
16 hours ago
5
I have a hard time believing the premise here - students actually manage to produce enough content for a PhD in 2-3 semesters and then are allowed by their advisors to hang around on a stipend for 3-8 additional semesters (without publishing, presumably?). I'm not buying either part of this, sorry.
– xLeitix
15 hours ago
2
In this case, "using rules to get advantages" just sounds like abiding by rules which provide advantages to the student. I think it is unethical to rescind a stipend unless a student is breaking the terms of their contract.
– AninOnin
11 hours ago