The IT department bottlenecks progress, how should I handle this?
I'm currently working as a PhD student.
I am not working on a tech-oriented PhD. However, my project requires a lot of programming. This involves both working on a computation cluster, servers, and working with a variety of software. These are provided and maintained by our faculty IT support.
Now on the reason why I post: the first problems started when working on our server, maintained by our IT staff. I required some software essential to do my work, but because I have no admin rights, I cannot install what I need. I asked IT very politely (I'm the new one after all), and they let me know that they would handle it as soon as possible.
Two weeks later, I still did not have access to the software I desperately needed to do my work. I had to ask my promotor (luckily a huge help in this matter) to ask IT, and finally the software was installed.
The following cycle continued until now:
- I notice that software is missing / outdated / not working properly
- I ask IT to fix the issue because no other options are available
- IT ignores my requests, leading to me having difficulties to meet deadlines
- Someone with better credentials has to pressure IT into fixing the issue
Like I mentioned earlier, I absolutely love programming and computers in general, so I can fix almost all issues myself. However, my hands are tied because I have no admin rights, and IT goes to great lengths to avoid that a non IT person does something / installs something on one of the computers...
Does some here have similar experiences, and do you know how to smoothen this out? I obviously don't want to cause a ruckus in our department, but I also believe it to be unfair that we are blocked from doing our job. I'm not the only employee who was bottlenecked by IT, so I guess all suggestions are welcome!
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I'm currently working as a PhD student.
I am not working on a tech-oriented PhD. However, my project requires a lot of programming. This involves both working on a computation cluster, servers, and working with a variety of software. These are provided and maintained by our faculty IT support.
Now on the reason why I post: the first problems started when working on our server, maintained by our IT staff. I required some software essential to do my work, but because I have no admin rights, I cannot install what I need. I asked IT very politely (I'm the new one after all), and they let me know that they would handle it as soon as possible.
Two weeks later, I still did not have access to the software I desperately needed to do my work. I had to ask my promotor (luckily a huge help in this matter) to ask IT, and finally the software was installed.
The following cycle continued until now:
- I notice that software is missing / outdated / not working properly
- I ask IT to fix the issue because no other options are available
- IT ignores my requests, leading to me having difficulties to meet deadlines
- Someone with better credentials has to pressure IT into fixing the issue
Like I mentioned earlier, I absolutely love programming and computers in general, so I can fix almost all issues myself. However, my hands are tied because I have no admin rights, and IT goes to great lengths to avoid that a non IT person does something / installs something on one of the computers...
Does some here have similar experiences, and do you know how to smoothen this out? I obviously don't want to cause a ruckus in our department, but I also believe it to be unfair that we are blocked from doing our job. I'm not the only employee who was bottlenecked by IT, so I guess all suggestions are welcome!
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Is there any chance of you installing your required software in your home directory rather than as root?
– thosphor
12 hours ago
9
Having been on the IT department side of this, and in case you're curious, the most likely reason for their behavior is that they have a lot of more urgent work that they are catching up on, and only once someone higher up the ladder makes your request urgent does it get ahead of all the other things. To the detriment of the work on other things. So for what it's worth, they are probably not ignoring you for any personal reason, they are just scrambling to keep the servers running.
– Todd Wilcox
12 hours ago
3
In the meantime, you could try to have things working in your computer, with a smaller dataset. This way, you know exactly what you need to make your thing work and you can go to your professor to ask them to ask IT to install all you need at once, instead of doing the cycle you describe.
– user4052054
12 hours ago
1
This situation is very common. Have you talked to other PhD students and other staff? How do they handle it? If no procedure is in place I suggest you get familiar with installing software manually (either from source or from binary packages) in your home directory. I’ve ended up doing this at all institutes I worked at. Depending on your cluster, you might also have permissions to spin up Docker instances.
– Konrad Rudolph
12 hours ago
1
A lot of IT departments are like that. It is likely that over time you'll make some connections with people there and they will become more helpful. At the same time, plan to do as much as possible without admin rights; for example, if we're talking about a single Linux machine, a lot of software you can compile and install manually, without using the package repositories.
– Alexey B.
10 hours ago
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I'm currently working as a PhD student.
I am not working on a tech-oriented PhD. However, my project requires a lot of programming. This involves both working on a computation cluster, servers, and working with a variety of software. These are provided and maintained by our faculty IT support.
Now on the reason why I post: the first problems started when working on our server, maintained by our IT staff. I required some software essential to do my work, but because I have no admin rights, I cannot install what I need. I asked IT very politely (I'm the new one after all), and they let me know that they would handle it as soon as possible.
Two weeks later, I still did not have access to the software I desperately needed to do my work. I had to ask my promotor (luckily a huge help in this matter) to ask IT, and finally the software was installed.
The following cycle continued until now:
- I notice that software is missing / outdated / not working properly
- I ask IT to fix the issue because no other options are available
- IT ignores my requests, leading to me having difficulties to meet deadlines
- Someone with better credentials has to pressure IT into fixing the issue
Like I mentioned earlier, I absolutely love programming and computers in general, so I can fix almost all issues myself. However, my hands are tied because I have no admin rights, and IT goes to great lengths to avoid that a non IT person does something / installs something on one of the computers...
Does some here have similar experiences, and do you know how to smoothen this out? I obviously don't want to cause a ruckus in our department, but I also believe it to be unfair that we are blocked from doing our job. I'm not the only employee who was bottlenecked by IT, so I guess all suggestions are welcome!
etiquette colleagues
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I'm currently working as a PhD student.
I am not working on a tech-oriented PhD. However, my project requires a lot of programming. This involves both working on a computation cluster, servers, and working with a variety of software. These are provided and maintained by our faculty IT support.
Now on the reason why I post: the first problems started when working on our server, maintained by our IT staff. I required some software essential to do my work, but because I have no admin rights, I cannot install what I need. I asked IT very politely (I'm the new one after all), and they let me know that they would handle it as soon as possible.
Two weeks later, I still did not have access to the software I desperately needed to do my work. I had to ask my promotor (luckily a huge help in this matter) to ask IT, and finally the software was installed.
The following cycle continued until now:
- I notice that software is missing / outdated / not working properly
- I ask IT to fix the issue because no other options are available
- IT ignores my requests, leading to me having difficulties to meet deadlines
- Someone with better credentials has to pressure IT into fixing the issue
Like I mentioned earlier, I absolutely love programming and computers in general, so I can fix almost all issues myself. However, my hands are tied because I have no admin rights, and IT goes to great lengths to avoid that a non IT person does something / installs something on one of the computers...
Does some here have similar experiences, and do you know how to smoothen this out? I obviously don't want to cause a ruckus in our department, but I also believe it to be unfair that we are blocked from doing our job. I'm not the only employee who was bottlenecked by IT, so I guess all suggestions are welcome!
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Is there any chance of you installing your required software in your home directory rather than as root?
– thosphor
12 hours ago
9
Having been on the IT department side of this, and in case you're curious, the most likely reason for their behavior is that they have a lot of more urgent work that they are catching up on, and only once someone higher up the ladder makes your request urgent does it get ahead of all the other things. To the detriment of the work on other things. So for what it's worth, they are probably not ignoring you for any personal reason, they are just scrambling to keep the servers running.
– Todd Wilcox
12 hours ago
3
In the meantime, you could try to have things working in your computer, with a smaller dataset. This way, you know exactly what you need to make your thing work and you can go to your professor to ask them to ask IT to install all you need at once, instead of doing the cycle you describe.
– user4052054
12 hours ago
1
This situation is very common. Have you talked to other PhD students and other staff? How do they handle it? If no procedure is in place I suggest you get familiar with installing software manually (either from source or from binary packages) in your home directory. I’ve ended up doing this at all institutes I worked at. Depending on your cluster, you might also have permissions to spin up Docker instances.
– Konrad Rudolph
12 hours ago
1
A lot of IT departments are like that. It is likely that over time you'll make some connections with people there and they will become more helpful. At the same time, plan to do as much as possible without admin rights; for example, if we're talking about a single Linux machine, a lot of software you can compile and install manually, without using the package repositories.
– Alexey B.
10 hours ago
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show 5 more comments
4
Is there any chance of you installing your required software in your home directory rather than as root?
– thosphor
12 hours ago
9
Having been on the IT department side of this, and in case you're curious, the most likely reason for their behavior is that they have a lot of more urgent work that they are catching up on, and only once someone higher up the ladder makes your request urgent does it get ahead of all the other things. To the detriment of the work on other things. So for what it's worth, they are probably not ignoring you for any personal reason, they are just scrambling to keep the servers running.
– Todd Wilcox
12 hours ago
3
In the meantime, you could try to have things working in your computer, with a smaller dataset. This way, you know exactly what you need to make your thing work and you can go to your professor to ask them to ask IT to install all you need at once, instead of doing the cycle you describe.
– user4052054
12 hours ago
1
This situation is very common. Have you talked to other PhD students and other staff? How do they handle it? If no procedure is in place I suggest you get familiar with installing software manually (either from source or from binary packages) in your home directory. I’ve ended up doing this at all institutes I worked at. Depending on your cluster, you might also have permissions to spin up Docker instances.
– Konrad Rudolph
12 hours ago
1
A lot of IT departments are like that. It is likely that over time you'll make some connections with people there and they will become more helpful. At the same time, plan to do as much as possible without admin rights; for example, if we're talking about a single Linux machine, a lot of software you can compile and install manually, without using the package repositories.
– Alexey B.
10 hours ago
4
4
Is there any chance of you installing your required software in your home directory rather than as root?
– thosphor
12 hours ago
Is there any chance of you installing your required software in your home directory rather than as root?
– thosphor
12 hours ago
9
9
Having been on the IT department side of this, and in case you're curious, the most likely reason for their behavior is that they have a lot of more urgent work that they are catching up on, and only once someone higher up the ladder makes your request urgent does it get ahead of all the other things. To the detriment of the work on other things. So for what it's worth, they are probably not ignoring you for any personal reason, they are just scrambling to keep the servers running.
– Todd Wilcox
12 hours ago
Having been on the IT department side of this, and in case you're curious, the most likely reason for their behavior is that they have a lot of more urgent work that they are catching up on, and only once someone higher up the ladder makes your request urgent does it get ahead of all the other things. To the detriment of the work on other things. So for what it's worth, they are probably not ignoring you for any personal reason, they are just scrambling to keep the servers running.
– Todd Wilcox
12 hours ago
3
3
In the meantime, you could try to have things working in your computer, with a smaller dataset. This way, you know exactly what you need to make your thing work and you can go to your professor to ask them to ask IT to install all you need at once, instead of doing the cycle you describe.
– user4052054
12 hours ago
In the meantime, you could try to have things working in your computer, with a smaller dataset. This way, you know exactly what you need to make your thing work and you can go to your professor to ask them to ask IT to install all you need at once, instead of doing the cycle you describe.
– user4052054
12 hours ago
1
1
This situation is very common. Have you talked to other PhD students and other staff? How do they handle it? If no procedure is in place I suggest you get familiar with installing software manually (either from source or from binary packages) in your home directory. I’ve ended up doing this at all institutes I worked at. Depending on your cluster, you might also have permissions to spin up Docker instances.
– Konrad Rudolph
12 hours ago
This situation is very common. Have you talked to other PhD students and other staff? How do they handle it? If no procedure is in place I suggest you get familiar with installing software manually (either from source or from binary packages) in your home directory. I’ve ended up doing this at all institutes I worked at. Depending on your cluster, you might also have permissions to spin up Docker instances.
– Konrad Rudolph
12 hours ago
1
1
A lot of IT departments are like that. It is likely that over time you'll make some connections with people there and they will become more helpful. At the same time, plan to do as much as possible without admin rights; for example, if we're talking about a single Linux machine, a lot of software you can compile and install manually, without using the package repositories.
– Alexey B.
10 hours ago
A lot of IT departments are like that. It is likely that over time you'll make some connections with people there and they will become more helpful. At the same time, plan to do as much as possible without admin rights; for example, if we're talking about a single Linux machine, a lot of software you can compile and install manually, without using the package repositories.
– Alexey B.
10 hours ago
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This is a partial solution I've used myself, and it assumes a few things:
- You access your clusters remotely through a connection (like other answers pointed, cloud servers or remote), so where you work isn't exactly the bottleneck.
- The software you use isn't OS dependent or has any special licenses
- You do not have a ton of things hooked up from serial ports to measuring equipment and whatnot.
One thing I've done in this situation is, when you finally grab a ticket from IT, ask them to install a virtual machine like VirtualBox and have them enable virtualization in the BIOS. Most processors allow this nowadays. Make sure they install it properly or they will ghost again.
This basically allows you to install any Linux distribution you want (you need Licenses for Windows images), so it is an operating system where you have all admin rights. This completely removes the IT middleman if your case is just coding and clustering the data crunching since you don't need their permission to do things in the VM, and also shouldn't impact performance significantly.
If IT is worth half a dime, they will appreciate the solution, since:
- It takes gargantuan effort to compromise the Host Machine through a VM if you are not malicious
- Resulting lack of tickets from you needing something updated/installed.
Worst case scenario you can still alternate between both Operating Systems, and do small things in the VM with your admin rights.
Thank you for this information, also a valuable solution indeed! Both the cloud idea and this one might come in very handy!
– unit_with_a_soul
14 hours ago
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I'm not sure about university IT departments, but in other areas, a user that does not have admin rights to a server cannot have a VM on that server with admin rights on the VM either. In other words, I've never worked in an IT department where this request would be granted. Something that would work in my experience is getting approval from your department or program for money for a virtual machine on a cloud service like AWS or Azure.
– Todd Wilcox
12 hours ago
2
@Todd: In principle, anything a user in as an admin guest OS can also be done as a user host OS. Depending on how the IT department models threats, this sort of request might be granted. Where things get problematic is with VM-based security systems. E.g., Windows 10 environment has a feature called Device/Credential Guard. This security feature tends to prevent VM software from functioning. Even if the IT department is willing to toggle the BIOS virtualization settings, they'll probably be far less willing to disable Device/Credential Guard.
– Brian
12 hours ago
If the only time you need admin rights is the installation then a singularity container should do the trick. One of these things; sylabs.io/docs afak they are cli only, but otherwise they are basically a virtual box with better pass through. You can set it up as admin on your own machine then move the image to the cluster and run it there as a normal user.
– Clumsy cat
8 hours ago
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We had this issue with some Silicon Graphics machines - we removed them from the IT departments control - with the support of the supervisors whose budgets had paid for them and controlled everything ourselves...
Much better... We had more uptime and fewer issues than any other group / team on campus...
We learnt a lot about compiling & installing etc etc...
Not sure if you can go that route...
Note, the software we were using was CFD and the IT dept had no experience of what was needed...
Thank you for your response. Well, the problem is indeed that it is not possible for us to separate ourselves from IT using budget. The infrastructure we are working on belongs to the university, and the maintenance is a job for department IT. We indeed try to do as much as possible when it comes to the software we use (and this indeed works quite well), but being completely free from IT is really difficult I think.
– unit_with_a_soul
14 hours ago
3
How long ago was this? Today, I'd expect the response to be that the IT support team can't afford for you to be the ones who learn a lot about what happens when you get hacked. Also, nothing in the question suggests that there's money available for duplicating facilities provided by the department. (The asker is using central resources, not resources that belong to the group but which are centrally managed.)
– David Richerby
7 hours ago
@DavidRicherby They were on an internal network - no external hacking possible.... Funding was by particular research projects not "central" .... Unless you can hack via the power cord...
– Solar Mike
7 hours ago
@DavidRicherby It's extremely rare in the US to not have group computers self managed, where the only thing IT requires is current antimalware. They're going to have to adapt quick: had several cases recently where instead of using a university HPC cluster, we just went to Amazon AWS or Microsoft Azure since there you install anything you want on your VM, get the right amount of RAM, cores, storage and GPU, and don't have to wait in line.
– user71659
3 hours ago
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I think this is a fairly common occurrence in many companies. There is a big disconnect between the researchers trying to do their work and the IT staff who may be under-resourced, under-trained or limited by administrative policy. In my experience there is often lots of worry about researchers installing software without fully understanding the security implications. In short, I would not expect you to be able to change this policy and it may well be in place for sound reasons.
One solution that has been suggested to me is that academics can apply for time using different cloud compute solutions (e.g. Google compute https://cloud.google.com/edu/, Microsoft Azure https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/education/, any many more). If successful you will be given compute time in a virtual machine where you will have appropriate administrative rights to install any software you want.
Thank you for your reply. I understand your point, a lot of people just install random software without thinking through what it does to their computer (or the network the computer is connected to). The cloud is indeed a solution I did not immediately think of (I thought it was always a paying service, but I see that they also award grants for using the cloud in academic settings). I will definitely look into it!
– unit_with_a_soul
14 hours ago
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Since you're not in a "tech-oriented PhD", I'm guessing the cluster is 10 machines or less? If so, consider setting up your own cluster on any of the big cloud providers. AWS and Azure come to mind, but Google and IBM are still trying to hang on in those markets.
Thoughts on pricing:
- You don't have to have the cluster up all the time, so you don't have to pay for 24hrs/day for a full month. You would have to figure out how to save/load the data and install some programs quickly (docker?), if you opt for shutting down some or all servers.
- If you have fellow students or professors who are in the same boat, consider sharing your cluster and its expenses.
- Depending on your research, you might (eventually) be able to get special pricing from some vendors.
- On AWS, reserved instances are cheaper than spot instances.
Look at how much your time is worth, and how much these delays are impacting your research. If IT delays cost you 1 week of delays every month, then it's probably worth setting up things yourself. (Remember to back things up, and test your backup strategy. Put your code and data in github)
And lastly, are you using their ticketing system for your requests, or just asking them verbally? If there's no ticket, it'll surely be forgotten 5 minutes after you spoke to them.
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Whilst others have focused on giving you some technical advice on alternatives to using your institution's infrastructure, I want to note that your problems are not uncommon. In my practice I opted to installing the software myself (a lot of software packets I used do not need root privileges for installation, make sure that admin access for yours is really a must) or asked supervisor for help.
If you are on good terms with your supervisor, you can always ask him for help, going from as little as cc-ing him in software installation emails that you send to your IT department to directly asking him for help when those request emails are ignored. In many organizations it's not easy for junior members to be listened to and that's just something you have to get over with.
Thank your for answering. Yes, I execute several applications as 'non elevated' user because that will give me what I need in most programs. My supervisor is indeed a big help and, for now, asking the supervisor is the best workaround. Yes, I understand that this is not a rare problem, especially for new employees like myself. However, what annoys me is that the things I ask are really not that difficult. I'm usually merely asking to install a certain software update or library that could come in handy, which is not something that takes weeks to complete.
– unit_with_a_soul
14 hours ago
Upvoting for the second part here - always CC someone with more leverage whenever you report issues. Just that frequently moves it up in priority a surprising amount.
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This is a partial solution I've used myself, and it assumes a few things:
- You access your clusters remotely through a connection (like other answers pointed, cloud servers or remote), so where you work isn't exactly the bottleneck.
- The software you use isn't OS dependent or has any special licenses
- You do not have a ton of things hooked up from serial ports to measuring equipment and whatnot.
One thing I've done in this situation is, when you finally grab a ticket from IT, ask them to install a virtual machine like VirtualBox and have them enable virtualization in the BIOS. Most processors allow this nowadays. Make sure they install it properly or they will ghost again.
This basically allows you to install any Linux distribution you want (you need Licenses for Windows images), so it is an operating system where you have all admin rights. This completely removes the IT middleman if your case is just coding and clustering the data crunching since you don't need their permission to do things in the VM, and also shouldn't impact performance significantly.
If IT is worth half a dime, they will appreciate the solution, since:
- It takes gargantuan effort to compromise the Host Machine through a VM if you are not malicious
- Resulting lack of tickets from you needing something updated/installed.
Worst case scenario you can still alternate between both Operating Systems, and do small things in the VM with your admin rights.
Thank you for this information, also a valuable solution indeed! Both the cloud idea and this one might come in very handy!
– unit_with_a_soul
14 hours ago
8
I'm not sure about university IT departments, but in other areas, a user that does not have admin rights to a server cannot have a VM on that server with admin rights on the VM either. In other words, I've never worked in an IT department where this request would be granted. Something that would work in my experience is getting approval from your department or program for money for a virtual machine on a cloud service like AWS or Azure.
– Todd Wilcox
12 hours ago
2
@Todd: In principle, anything a user in as an admin guest OS can also be done as a user host OS. Depending on how the IT department models threats, this sort of request might be granted. Where things get problematic is with VM-based security systems. E.g., Windows 10 environment has a feature called Device/Credential Guard. This security feature tends to prevent VM software from functioning. Even if the IT department is willing to toggle the BIOS virtualization settings, they'll probably be far less willing to disable Device/Credential Guard.
– Brian
12 hours ago
If the only time you need admin rights is the installation then a singularity container should do the trick. One of these things; sylabs.io/docs afak they are cli only, but otherwise they are basically a virtual box with better pass through. You can set it up as admin on your own machine then move the image to the cluster and run it there as a normal user.
– Clumsy cat
8 hours ago
add a comment |
This is a partial solution I've used myself, and it assumes a few things:
- You access your clusters remotely through a connection (like other answers pointed, cloud servers or remote), so where you work isn't exactly the bottleneck.
- The software you use isn't OS dependent or has any special licenses
- You do not have a ton of things hooked up from serial ports to measuring equipment and whatnot.
One thing I've done in this situation is, when you finally grab a ticket from IT, ask them to install a virtual machine like VirtualBox and have them enable virtualization in the BIOS. Most processors allow this nowadays. Make sure they install it properly or they will ghost again.
This basically allows you to install any Linux distribution you want (you need Licenses for Windows images), so it is an operating system where you have all admin rights. This completely removes the IT middleman if your case is just coding and clustering the data crunching since you don't need their permission to do things in the VM, and also shouldn't impact performance significantly.
If IT is worth half a dime, they will appreciate the solution, since:
- It takes gargantuan effort to compromise the Host Machine through a VM if you are not malicious
- Resulting lack of tickets from you needing something updated/installed.
Worst case scenario you can still alternate between both Operating Systems, and do small things in the VM with your admin rights.
Thank you for this information, also a valuable solution indeed! Both the cloud idea and this one might come in very handy!
– unit_with_a_soul
14 hours ago
8
I'm not sure about university IT departments, but in other areas, a user that does not have admin rights to a server cannot have a VM on that server with admin rights on the VM either. In other words, I've never worked in an IT department where this request would be granted. Something that would work in my experience is getting approval from your department or program for money for a virtual machine on a cloud service like AWS or Azure.
– Todd Wilcox
12 hours ago
2
@Todd: In principle, anything a user in as an admin guest OS can also be done as a user host OS. Depending on how the IT department models threats, this sort of request might be granted. Where things get problematic is with VM-based security systems. E.g., Windows 10 environment has a feature called Device/Credential Guard. This security feature tends to prevent VM software from functioning. Even if the IT department is willing to toggle the BIOS virtualization settings, they'll probably be far less willing to disable Device/Credential Guard.
– Brian
12 hours ago
If the only time you need admin rights is the installation then a singularity container should do the trick. One of these things; sylabs.io/docs afak they are cli only, but otherwise they are basically a virtual box with better pass through. You can set it up as admin on your own machine then move the image to the cluster and run it there as a normal user.
– Clumsy cat
8 hours ago
add a comment |
This is a partial solution I've used myself, and it assumes a few things:
- You access your clusters remotely through a connection (like other answers pointed, cloud servers or remote), so where you work isn't exactly the bottleneck.
- The software you use isn't OS dependent or has any special licenses
- You do not have a ton of things hooked up from serial ports to measuring equipment and whatnot.
One thing I've done in this situation is, when you finally grab a ticket from IT, ask them to install a virtual machine like VirtualBox and have them enable virtualization in the BIOS. Most processors allow this nowadays. Make sure they install it properly or they will ghost again.
This basically allows you to install any Linux distribution you want (you need Licenses for Windows images), so it is an operating system where you have all admin rights. This completely removes the IT middleman if your case is just coding and clustering the data crunching since you don't need their permission to do things in the VM, and also shouldn't impact performance significantly.
If IT is worth half a dime, they will appreciate the solution, since:
- It takes gargantuan effort to compromise the Host Machine through a VM if you are not malicious
- Resulting lack of tickets from you needing something updated/installed.
Worst case scenario you can still alternate between both Operating Systems, and do small things in the VM with your admin rights.
This is a partial solution I've used myself, and it assumes a few things:
- You access your clusters remotely through a connection (like other answers pointed, cloud servers or remote), so where you work isn't exactly the bottleneck.
- The software you use isn't OS dependent or has any special licenses
- You do not have a ton of things hooked up from serial ports to measuring equipment and whatnot.
One thing I've done in this situation is, when you finally grab a ticket from IT, ask them to install a virtual machine like VirtualBox and have them enable virtualization in the BIOS. Most processors allow this nowadays. Make sure they install it properly or they will ghost again.
This basically allows you to install any Linux distribution you want (you need Licenses for Windows images), so it is an operating system where you have all admin rights. This completely removes the IT middleman if your case is just coding and clustering the data crunching since you don't need their permission to do things in the VM, and also shouldn't impact performance significantly.
If IT is worth half a dime, they will appreciate the solution, since:
- It takes gargantuan effort to compromise the Host Machine through a VM if you are not malicious
- Resulting lack of tickets from you needing something updated/installed.
Worst case scenario you can still alternate between both Operating Systems, and do small things in the VM with your admin rights.
answered 16 hours ago
lucasgcblucasgcb
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Thank you for this information, also a valuable solution indeed! Both the cloud idea and this one might come in very handy!
– unit_with_a_soul
14 hours ago
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I'm not sure about university IT departments, but in other areas, a user that does not have admin rights to a server cannot have a VM on that server with admin rights on the VM either. In other words, I've never worked in an IT department where this request would be granted. Something that would work in my experience is getting approval from your department or program for money for a virtual machine on a cloud service like AWS or Azure.
– Todd Wilcox
12 hours ago
2
@Todd: In principle, anything a user in as an admin guest OS can also be done as a user host OS. Depending on how the IT department models threats, this sort of request might be granted. Where things get problematic is with VM-based security systems. E.g., Windows 10 environment has a feature called Device/Credential Guard. This security feature tends to prevent VM software from functioning. Even if the IT department is willing to toggle the BIOS virtualization settings, they'll probably be far less willing to disable Device/Credential Guard.
– Brian
12 hours ago
If the only time you need admin rights is the installation then a singularity container should do the trick. One of these things; sylabs.io/docs afak they are cli only, but otherwise they are basically a virtual box with better pass through. You can set it up as admin on your own machine then move the image to the cluster and run it there as a normal user.
– Clumsy cat
8 hours ago
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Thank you for this information, also a valuable solution indeed! Both the cloud idea and this one might come in very handy!
– unit_with_a_soul
14 hours ago
8
I'm not sure about university IT departments, but in other areas, a user that does not have admin rights to a server cannot have a VM on that server with admin rights on the VM either. In other words, I've never worked in an IT department where this request would be granted. Something that would work in my experience is getting approval from your department or program for money for a virtual machine on a cloud service like AWS or Azure.
– Todd Wilcox
12 hours ago
2
@Todd: In principle, anything a user in as an admin guest OS can also be done as a user host OS. Depending on how the IT department models threats, this sort of request might be granted. Where things get problematic is with VM-based security systems. E.g., Windows 10 environment has a feature called Device/Credential Guard. This security feature tends to prevent VM software from functioning. Even if the IT department is willing to toggle the BIOS virtualization settings, they'll probably be far less willing to disable Device/Credential Guard.
– Brian
12 hours ago
If the only time you need admin rights is the installation then a singularity container should do the trick. One of these things; sylabs.io/docs afak they are cli only, but otherwise they are basically a virtual box with better pass through. You can set it up as admin on your own machine then move the image to the cluster and run it there as a normal user.
– Clumsy cat
8 hours ago
Thank you for this information, also a valuable solution indeed! Both the cloud idea and this one might come in very handy!
– unit_with_a_soul
14 hours ago
Thank you for this information, also a valuable solution indeed! Both the cloud idea and this one might come in very handy!
– unit_with_a_soul
14 hours ago
8
8
I'm not sure about university IT departments, but in other areas, a user that does not have admin rights to a server cannot have a VM on that server with admin rights on the VM either. In other words, I've never worked in an IT department where this request would be granted. Something that would work in my experience is getting approval from your department or program for money for a virtual machine on a cloud service like AWS or Azure.
– Todd Wilcox
12 hours ago
I'm not sure about university IT departments, but in other areas, a user that does not have admin rights to a server cannot have a VM on that server with admin rights on the VM either. In other words, I've never worked in an IT department where this request would be granted. Something that would work in my experience is getting approval from your department or program for money for a virtual machine on a cloud service like AWS or Azure.
– Todd Wilcox
12 hours ago
2
2
@Todd: In principle, anything a user in as an admin guest OS can also be done as a user host OS. Depending on how the IT department models threats, this sort of request might be granted. Where things get problematic is with VM-based security systems. E.g., Windows 10 environment has a feature called Device/Credential Guard. This security feature tends to prevent VM software from functioning. Even if the IT department is willing to toggle the BIOS virtualization settings, they'll probably be far less willing to disable Device/Credential Guard.
– Brian
12 hours ago
@Todd: In principle, anything a user in as an admin guest OS can also be done as a user host OS. Depending on how the IT department models threats, this sort of request might be granted. Where things get problematic is with VM-based security systems. E.g., Windows 10 environment has a feature called Device/Credential Guard. This security feature tends to prevent VM software from functioning. Even if the IT department is willing to toggle the BIOS virtualization settings, they'll probably be far less willing to disable Device/Credential Guard.
– Brian
12 hours ago
If the only time you need admin rights is the installation then a singularity container should do the trick. One of these things; sylabs.io/docs afak they are cli only, but otherwise they are basically a virtual box with better pass through. You can set it up as admin on your own machine then move the image to the cluster and run it there as a normal user.
– Clumsy cat
8 hours ago
If the only time you need admin rights is the installation then a singularity container should do the trick. One of these things; sylabs.io/docs afak they are cli only, but otherwise they are basically a virtual box with better pass through. You can set it up as admin on your own machine then move the image to the cluster and run it there as a normal user.
– Clumsy cat
8 hours ago
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We had this issue with some Silicon Graphics machines - we removed them from the IT departments control - with the support of the supervisors whose budgets had paid for them and controlled everything ourselves...
Much better... We had more uptime and fewer issues than any other group / team on campus...
We learnt a lot about compiling & installing etc etc...
Not sure if you can go that route...
Note, the software we were using was CFD and the IT dept had no experience of what was needed...
Thank you for your response. Well, the problem is indeed that it is not possible for us to separate ourselves from IT using budget. The infrastructure we are working on belongs to the university, and the maintenance is a job for department IT. We indeed try to do as much as possible when it comes to the software we use (and this indeed works quite well), but being completely free from IT is really difficult I think.
– unit_with_a_soul
14 hours ago
3
How long ago was this? Today, I'd expect the response to be that the IT support team can't afford for you to be the ones who learn a lot about what happens when you get hacked. Also, nothing in the question suggests that there's money available for duplicating facilities provided by the department. (The asker is using central resources, not resources that belong to the group but which are centrally managed.)
– David Richerby
7 hours ago
@DavidRicherby They were on an internal network - no external hacking possible.... Funding was by particular research projects not "central" .... Unless you can hack via the power cord...
– Solar Mike
7 hours ago
@DavidRicherby It's extremely rare in the US to not have group computers self managed, where the only thing IT requires is current antimalware. They're going to have to adapt quick: had several cases recently where instead of using a university HPC cluster, we just went to Amazon AWS or Microsoft Azure since there you install anything you want on your VM, get the right amount of RAM, cores, storage and GPU, and don't have to wait in line.
– user71659
3 hours ago
add a comment |
We had this issue with some Silicon Graphics machines - we removed them from the IT departments control - with the support of the supervisors whose budgets had paid for them and controlled everything ourselves...
Much better... We had more uptime and fewer issues than any other group / team on campus...
We learnt a lot about compiling & installing etc etc...
Not sure if you can go that route...
Note, the software we were using was CFD and the IT dept had no experience of what was needed...
Thank you for your response. Well, the problem is indeed that it is not possible for us to separate ourselves from IT using budget. The infrastructure we are working on belongs to the university, and the maintenance is a job for department IT. We indeed try to do as much as possible when it comes to the software we use (and this indeed works quite well), but being completely free from IT is really difficult I think.
– unit_with_a_soul
14 hours ago
3
How long ago was this? Today, I'd expect the response to be that the IT support team can't afford for you to be the ones who learn a lot about what happens when you get hacked. Also, nothing in the question suggests that there's money available for duplicating facilities provided by the department. (The asker is using central resources, not resources that belong to the group but which are centrally managed.)
– David Richerby
7 hours ago
@DavidRicherby They were on an internal network - no external hacking possible.... Funding was by particular research projects not "central" .... Unless you can hack via the power cord...
– Solar Mike
7 hours ago
@DavidRicherby It's extremely rare in the US to not have group computers self managed, where the only thing IT requires is current antimalware. They're going to have to adapt quick: had several cases recently where instead of using a university HPC cluster, we just went to Amazon AWS or Microsoft Azure since there you install anything you want on your VM, get the right amount of RAM, cores, storage and GPU, and don't have to wait in line.
– user71659
3 hours ago
add a comment |
We had this issue with some Silicon Graphics machines - we removed them from the IT departments control - with the support of the supervisors whose budgets had paid for them and controlled everything ourselves...
Much better... We had more uptime and fewer issues than any other group / team on campus...
We learnt a lot about compiling & installing etc etc...
Not sure if you can go that route...
Note, the software we were using was CFD and the IT dept had no experience of what was needed...
We had this issue with some Silicon Graphics machines - we removed them from the IT departments control - with the support of the supervisors whose budgets had paid for them and controlled everything ourselves...
Much better... We had more uptime and fewer issues than any other group / team on campus...
We learnt a lot about compiling & installing etc etc...
Not sure if you can go that route...
Note, the software we were using was CFD and the IT dept had no experience of what was needed...
answered 18 hours ago
Solar MikeSolar Mike
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Thank you for your response. Well, the problem is indeed that it is not possible for us to separate ourselves from IT using budget. The infrastructure we are working on belongs to the university, and the maintenance is a job for department IT. We indeed try to do as much as possible when it comes to the software we use (and this indeed works quite well), but being completely free from IT is really difficult I think.
– unit_with_a_soul
14 hours ago
3
How long ago was this? Today, I'd expect the response to be that the IT support team can't afford for you to be the ones who learn a lot about what happens when you get hacked. Also, nothing in the question suggests that there's money available for duplicating facilities provided by the department. (The asker is using central resources, not resources that belong to the group but which are centrally managed.)
– David Richerby
7 hours ago
@DavidRicherby They were on an internal network - no external hacking possible.... Funding was by particular research projects not "central" .... Unless you can hack via the power cord...
– Solar Mike
7 hours ago
@DavidRicherby It's extremely rare in the US to not have group computers self managed, where the only thing IT requires is current antimalware. They're going to have to adapt quick: had several cases recently where instead of using a university HPC cluster, we just went to Amazon AWS or Microsoft Azure since there you install anything you want on your VM, get the right amount of RAM, cores, storage and GPU, and don't have to wait in line.
– user71659
3 hours ago
add a comment |
Thank you for your response. Well, the problem is indeed that it is not possible for us to separate ourselves from IT using budget. The infrastructure we are working on belongs to the university, and the maintenance is a job for department IT. We indeed try to do as much as possible when it comes to the software we use (and this indeed works quite well), but being completely free from IT is really difficult I think.
– unit_with_a_soul
14 hours ago
3
How long ago was this? Today, I'd expect the response to be that the IT support team can't afford for you to be the ones who learn a lot about what happens when you get hacked. Also, nothing in the question suggests that there's money available for duplicating facilities provided by the department. (The asker is using central resources, not resources that belong to the group but which are centrally managed.)
– David Richerby
7 hours ago
@DavidRicherby They were on an internal network - no external hacking possible.... Funding was by particular research projects not "central" .... Unless you can hack via the power cord...
– Solar Mike
7 hours ago
@DavidRicherby It's extremely rare in the US to not have group computers self managed, where the only thing IT requires is current antimalware. They're going to have to adapt quick: had several cases recently where instead of using a university HPC cluster, we just went to Amazon AWS or Microsoft Azure since there you install anything you want on your VM, get the right amount of RAM, cores, storage and GPU, and don't have to wait in line.
– user71659
3 hours ago
Thank you for your response. Well, the problem is indeed that it is not possible for us to separate ourselves from IT using budget. The infrastructure we are working on belongs to the university, and the maintenance is a job for department IT. We indeed try to do as much as possible when it comes to the software we use (and this indeed works quite well), but being completely free from IT is really difficult I think.
– unit_with_a_soul
14 hours ago
Thank you for your response. Well, the problem is indeed that it is not possible for us to separate ourselves from IT using budget. The infrastructure we are working on belongs to the university, and the maintenance is a job for department IT. We indeed try to do as much as possible when it comes to the software we use (and this indeed works quite well), but being completely free from IT is really difficult I think.
– unit_with_a_soul
14 hours ago
3
3
How long ago was this? Today, I'd expect the response to be that the IT support team can't afford for you to be the ones who learn a lot about what happens when you get hacked. Also, nothing in the question suggests that there's money available for duplicating facilities provided by the department. (The asker is using central resources, not resources that belong to the group but which are centrally managed.)
– David Richerby
7 hours ago
How long ago was this? Today, I'd expect the response to be that the IT support team can't afford for you to be the ones who learn a lot about what happens when you get hacked. Also, nothing in the question suggests that there's money available for duplicating facilities provided by the department. (The asker is using central resources, not resources that belong to the group but which are centrally managed.)
– David Richerby
7 hours ago
@DavidRicherby They were on an internal network - no external hacking possible.... Funding was by particular research projects not "central" .... Unless you can hack via the power cord...
– Solar Mike
7 hours ago
@DavidRicherby They were on an internal network - no external hacking possible.... Funding was by particular research projects not "central" .... Unless you can hack via the power cord...
– Solar Mike
7 hours ago
@DavidRicherby It's extremely rare in the US to not have group computers self managed, where the only thing IT requires is current antimalware. They're going to have to adapt quick: had several cases recently where instead of using a university HPC cluster, we just went to Amazon AWS or Microsoft Azure since there you install anything you want on your VM, get the right amount of RAM, cores, storage and GPU, and don't have to wait in line.
– user71659
3 hours ago
@DavidRicherby It's extremely rare in the US to not have group computers self managed, where the only thing IT requires is current antimalware. They're going to have to adapt quick: had several cases recently where instead of using a university HPC cluster, we just went to Amazon AWS or Microsoft Azure since there you install anything you want on your VM, get the right amount of RAM, cores, storage and GPU, and don't have to wait in line.
– user71659
3 hours ago
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I think this is a fairly common occurrence in many companies. There is a big disconnect between the researchers trying to do their work and the IT staff who may be under-resourced, under-trained or limited by administrative policy. In my experience there is often lots of worry about researchers installing software without fully understanding the security implications. In short, I would not expect you to be able to change this policy and it may well be in place for sound reasons.
One solution that has been suggested to me is that academics can apply for time using different cloud compute solutions (e.g. Google compute https://cloud.google.com/edu/, Microsoft Azure https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/education/, any many more). If successful you will be given compute time in a virtual machine where you will have appropriate administrative rights to install any software you want.
Thank you for your reply. I understand your point, a lot of people just install random software without thinking through what it does to their computer (or the network the computer is connected to). The cloud is indeed a solution I did not immediately think of (I thought it was always a paying service, but I see that they also award grants for using the cloud in academic settings). I will definitely look into it!
– unit_with_a_soul
14 hours ago
add a comment |
I think this is a fairly common occurrence in many companies. There is a big disconnect between the researchers trying to do their work and the IT staff who may be under-resourced, under-trained or limited by administrative policy. In my experience there is often lots of worry about researchers installing software without fully understanding the security implications. In short, I would not expect you to be able to change this policy and it may well be in place for sound reasons.
One solution that has been suggested to me is that academics can apply for time using different cloud compute solutions (e.g. Google compute https://cloud.google.com/edu/, Microsoft Azure https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/education/, any many more). If successful you will be given compute time in a virtual machine where you will have appropriate administrative rights to install any software you want.
Thank you for your reply. I understand your point, a lot of people just install random software without thinking through what it does to their computer (or the network the computer is connected to). The cloud is indeed a solution I did not immediately think of (I thought it was always a paying service, but I see that they also award grants for using the cloud in academic settings). I will definitely look into it!
– unit_with_a_soul
14 hours ago
add a comment |
I think this is a fairly common occurrence in many companies. There is a big disconnect between the researchers trying to do their work and the IT staff who may be under-resourced, under-trained or limited by administrative policy. In my experience there is often lots of worry about researchers installing software without fully understanding the security implications. In short, I would not expect you to be able to change this policy and it may well be in place for sound reasons.
One solution that has been suggested to me is that academics can apply for time using different cloud compute solutions (e.g. Google compute https://cloud.google.com/edu/, Microsoft Azure https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/education/, any many more). If successful you will be given compute time in a virtual machine where you will have appropriate administrative rights to install any software you want.
I think this is a fairly common occurrence in many companies. There is a big disconnect between the researchers trying to do their work and the IT staff who may be under-resourced, under-trained or limited by administrative policy. In my experience there is often lots of worry about researchers installing software without fully understanding the security implications. In short, I would not expect you to be able to change this policy and it may well be in place for sound reasons.
One solution that has been suggested to me is that academics can apply for time using different cloud compute solutions (e.g. Google compute https://cloud.google.com/edu/, Microsoft Azure https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/education/, any many more). If successful you will be given compute time in a virtual machine where you will have appropriate administrative rights to install any software you want.
answered 17 hours ago
tr1tr1
1535
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Thank you for your reply. I understand your point, a lot of people just install random software without thinking through what it does to their computer (or the network the computer is connected to). The cloud is indeed a solution I did not immediately think of (I thought it was always a paying service, but I see that they also award grants for using the cloud in academic settings). I will definitely look into it!
– unit_with_a_soul
14 hours ago
add a comment |
Thank you for your reply. I understand your point, a lot of people just install random software without thinking through what it does to their computer (or the network the computer is connected to). The cloud is indeed a solution I did not immediately think of (I thought it was always a paying service, but I see that they also award grants for using the cloud in academic settings). I will definitely look into it!
– unit_with_a_soul
14 hours ago
Thank you for your reply. I understand your point, a lot of people just install random software without thinking through what it does to their computer (or the network the computer is connected to). The cloud is indeed a solution I did not immediately think of (I thought it was always a paying service, but I see that they also award grants for using the cloud in academic settings). I will definitely look into it!
– unit_with_a_soul
14 hours ago
Thank you for your reply. I understand your point, a lot of people just install random software without thinking through what it does to their computer (or the network the computer is connected to). The cloud is indeed a solution I did not immediately think of (I thought it was always a paying service, but I see that they also award grants for using the cloud in academic settings). I will definitely look into it!
– unit_with_a_soul
14 hours ago
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Since you're not in a "tech-oriented PhD", I'm guessing the cluster is 10 machines or less? If so, consider setting up your own cluster on any of the big cloud providers. AWS and Azure come to mind, but Google and IBM are still trying to hang on in those markets.
Thoughts on pricing:
- You don't have to have the cluster up all the time, so you don't have to pay for 24hrs/day for a full month. You would have to figure out how to save/load the data and install some programs quickly (docker?), if you opt for shutting down some or all servers.
- If you have fellow students or professors who are in the same boat, consider sharing your cluster and its expenses.
- Depending on your research, you might (eventually) be able to get special pricing from some vendors.
- On AWS, reserved instances are cheaper than spot instances.
Look at how much your time is worth, and how much these delays are impacting your research. If IT delays cost you 1 week of delays every month, then it's probably worth setting up things yourself. (Remember to back things up, and test your backup strategy. Put your code and data in github)
And lastly, are you using their ticketing system for your requests, or just asking them verbally? If there's no ticket, it'll surely be forgotten 5 minutes after you spoke to them.
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Since you're not in a "tech-oriented PhD", I'm guessing the cluster is 10 machines or less? If so, consider setting up your own cluster on any of the big cloud providers. AWS and Azure come to mind, but Google and IBM are still trying to hang on in those markets.
Thoughts on pricing:
- You don't have to have the cluster up all the time, so you don't have to pay for 24hrs/day for a full month. You would have to figure out how to save/load the data and install some programs quickly (docker?), if you opt for shutting down some or all servers.
- If you have fellow students or professors who are in the same boat, consider sharing your cluster and its expenses.
- Depending on your research, you might (eventually) be able to get special pricing from some vendors.
- On AWS, reserved instances are cheaper than spot instances.
Look at how much your time is worth, and how much these delays are impacting your research. If IT delays cost you 1 week of delays every month, then it's probably worth setting up things yourself. (Remember to back things up, and test your backup strategy. Put your code and data in github)
And lastly, are you using their ticketing system for your requests, or just asking them verbally? If there's no ticket, it'll surely be forgotten 5 minutes after you spoke to them.
New contributor
add a comment |
Since you're not in a "tech-oriented PhD", I'm guessing the cluster is 10 machines or less? If so, consider setting up your own cluster on any of the big cloud providers. AWS and Azure come to mind, but Google and IBM are still trying to hang on in those markets.
Thoughts on pricing:
- You don't have to have the cluster up all the time, so you don't have to pay for 24hrs/day for a full month. You would have to figure out how to save/load the data and install some programs quickly (docker?), if you opt for shutting down some or all servers.
- If you have fellow students or professors who are in the same boat, consider sharing your cluster and its expenses.
- Depending on your research, you might (eventually) be able to get special pricing from some vendors.
- On AWS, reserved instances are cheaper than spot instances.
Look at how much your time is worth, and how much these delays are impacting your research. If IT delays cost you 1 week of delays every month, then it's probably worth setting up things yourself. (Remember to back things up, and test your backup strategy. Put your code and data in github)
And lastly, are you using their ticketing system for your requests, or just asking them verbally? If there's no ticket, it'll surely be forgotten 5 minutes after you spoke to them.
New contributor
Since you're not in a "tech-oriented PhD", I'm guessing the cluster is 10 machines or less? If so, consider setting up your own cluster on any of the big cloud providers. AWS and Azure come to mind, but Google and IBM are still trying to hang on in those markets.
Thoughts on pricing:
- You don't have to have the cluster up all the time, so you don't have to pay for 24hrs/day for a full month. You would have to figure out how to save/load the data and install some programs quickly (docker?), if you opt for shutting down some or all servers.
- If you have fellow students or professors who are in the same boat, consider sharing your cluster and its expenses.
- Depending on your research, you might (eventually) be able to get special pricing from some vendors.
- On AWS, reserved instances are cheaper than spot instances.
Look at how much your time is worth, and how much these delays are impacting your research. If IT delays cost you 1 week of delays every month, then it's probably worth setting up things yourself. (Remember to back things up, and test your backup strategy. Put your code and data in github)
And lastly, are you using their ticketing system for your requests, or just asking them verbally? If there's no ticket, it'll surely be forgotten 5 minutes after you spoke to them.
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answered 2 hours ago
TomEberhardTomEberhard
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Whilst others have focused on giving you some technical advice on alternatives to using your institution's infrastructure, I want to note that your problems are not uncommon. In my practice I opted to installing the software myself (a lot of software packets I used do not need root privileges for installation, make sure that admin access for yours is really a must) or asked supervisor for help.
If you are on good terms with your supervisor, you can always ask him for help, going from as little as cc-ing him in software installation emails that you send to your IT department to directly asking him for help when those request emails are ignored. In many organizations it's not easy for junior members to be listened to and that's just something you have to get over with.
Thank your for answering. Yes, I execute several applications as 'non elevated' user because that will give me what I need in most programs. My supervisor is indeed a big help and, for now, asking the supervisor is the best workaround. Yes, I understand that this is not a rare problem, especially for new employees like myself. However, what annoys me is that the things I ask are really not that difficult. I'm usually merely asking to install a certain software update or library that could come in handy, which is not something that takes weeks to complete.
– unit_with_a_soul
14 hours ago
Upvoting for the second part here - always CC someone with more leverage whenever you report issues. Just that frequently moves it up in priority a surprising amount.
– user2699
12 hours ago
add a comment |
Whilst others have focused on giving you some technical advice on alternatives to using your institution's infrastructure, I want to note that your problems are not uncommon. In my practice I opted to installing the software myself (a lot of software packets I used do not need root privileges for installation, make sure that admin access for yours is really a must) or asked supervisor for help.
If you are on good terms with your supervisor, you can always ask him for help, going from as little as cc-ing him in software installation emails that you send to your IT department to directly asking him for help when those request emails are ignored. In many organizations it's not easy for junior members to be listened to and that's just something you have to get over with.
Thank your for answering. Yes, I execute several applications as 'non elevated' user because that will give me what I need in most programs. My supervisor is indeed a big help and, for now, asking the supervisor is the best workaround. Yes, I understand that this is not a rare problem, especially for new employees like myself. However, what annoys me is that the things I ask are really not that difficult. I'm usually merely asking to install a certain software update or library that could come in handy, which is not something that takes weeks to complete.
– unit_with_a_soul
14 hours ago
Upvoting for the second part here - always CC someone with more leverage whenever you report issues. Just that frequently moves it up in priority a surprising amount.
– user2699
12 hours ago
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Whilst others have focused on giving you some technical advice on alternatives to using your institution's infrastructure, I want to note that your problems are not uncommon. In my practice I opted to installing the software myself (a lot of software packets I used do not need root privileges for installation, make sure that admin access for yours is really a must) or asked supervisor for help.
If you are on good terms with your supervisor, you can always ask him for help, going from as little as cc-ing him in software installation emails that you send to your IT department to directly asking him for help when those request emails are ignored. In many organizations it's not easy for junior members to be listened to and that's just something you have to get over with.
Whilst others have focused on giving you some technical advice on alternatives to using your institution's infrastructure, I want to note that your problems are not uncommon. In my practice I opted to installing the software myself (a lot of software packets I used do not need root privileges for installation, make sure that admin access for yours is really a must) or asked supervisor for help.
If you are on good terms with your supervisor, you can always ask him for help, going from as little as cc-ing him in software installation emails that you send to your IT department to directly asking him for help when those request emails are ignored. In many organizations it's not easy for junior members to be listened to and that's just something you have to get over with.
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Thank your for answering. Yes, I execute several applications as 'non elevated' user because that will give me what I need in most programs. My supervisor is indeed a big help and, for now, asking the supervisor is the best workaround. Yes, I understand that this is not a rare problem, especially for new employees like myself. However, what annoys me is that the things I ask are really not that difficult. I'm usually merely asking to install a certain software update or library that could come in handy, which is not something that takes weeks to complete.
– unit_with_a_soul
14 hours ago
Upvoting for the second part here - always CC someone with more leverage whenever you report issues. Just that frequently moves it up in priority a surprising amount.
– user2699
12 hours ago
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Thank your for answering. Yes, I execute several applications as 'non elevated' user because that will give me what I need in most programs. My supervisor is indeed a big help and, for now, asking the supervisor is the best workaround. Yes, I understand that this is not a rare problem, especially for new employees like myself. However, what annoys me is that the things I ask are really not that difficult. I'm usually merely asking to install a certain software update or library that could come in handy, which is not something that takes weeks to complete.
– unit_with_a_soul
14 hours ago
Upvoting for the second part here - always CC someone with more leverage whenever you report issues. Just that frequently moves it up in priority a surprising amount.
– user2699
12 hours ago
Thank your for answering. Yes, I execute several applications as 'non elevated' user because that will give me what I need in most programs. My supervisor is indeed a big help and, for now, asking the supervisor is the best workaround. Yes, I understand that this is not a rare problem, especially for new employees like myself. However, what annoys me is that the things I ask are really not that difficult. I'm usually merely asking to install a certain software update or library that could come in handy, which is not something that takes weeks to complete.
– unit_with_a_soul
14 hours ago
Thank your for answering. Yes, I execute several applications as 'non elevated' user because that will give me what I need in most programs. My supervisor is indeed a big help and, for now, asking the supervisor is the best workaround. Yes, I understand that this is not a rare problem, especially for new employees like myself. However, what annoys me is that the things I ask are really not that difficult. I'm usually merely asking to install a certain software update or library that could come in handy, which is not something that takes weeks to complete.
– unit_with_a_soul
14 hours ago
Upvoting for the second part here - always CC someone with more leverage whenever you report issues. Just that frequently moves it up in priority a surprising amount.
– user2699
12 hours ago
Upvoting for the second part here - always CC someone with more leverage whenever you report issues. Just that frequently moves it up in priority a surprising amount.
– user2699
12 hours ago
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Is there any chance of you installing your required software in your home directory rather than as root?
– thosphor
12 hours ago
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Having been on the IT department side of this, and in case you're curious, the most likely reason for their behavior is that they have a lot of more urgent work that they are catching up on, and only once someone higher up the ladder makes your request urgent does it get ahead of all the other things. To the detriment of the work on other things. So for what it's worth, they are probably not ignoring you for any personal reason, they are just scrambling to keep the servers running.
– Todd Wilcox
12 hours ago
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In the meantime, you could try to have things working in your computer, with a smaller dataset. This way, you know exactly what you need to make your thing work and you can go to your professor to ask them to ask IT to install all you need at once, instead of doing the cycle you describe.
– user4052054
12 hours ago
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This situation is very common. Have you talked to other PhD students and other staff? How do they handle it? If no procedure is in place I suggest you get familiar with installing software manually (either from source or from binary packages) in your home directory. I’ve ended up doing this at all institutes I worked at. Depending on your cluster, you might also have permissions to spin up Docker instances.
– Konrad Rudolph
12 hours ago
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A lot of IT departments are like that. It is likely that over time you'll make some connections with people there and they will become more helpful. At the same time, plan to do as much as possible without admin rights; for example, if we're talking about a single Linux machine, a lot of software you can compile and install manually, without using the package repositories.
– Alexey B.
10 hours ago