How can Newt cast Accio on a Niffler when it is only supposed to work on inanimate objects? [duplicate]












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Accio is not supposed to work on people or creatures as per this source:




Why couldn’t Newt use ‘Accio’ to retrieve all his beasts?



‘Accio’ only works on inanimate objects. While people or creatures may be indirectly moved by ‘Accio-ing’ objects that they are wearing or holding, this carries all kinds of risks because of the likelihood of injury to the person or beast attached to an object travelling at close to the speed of light.



JK Rowling’s New Website




Yet in the new film Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald Newt casts 'Accio' on a Niffler to get it back to him. He specifically says 'Accio Niffler'.



Doesn’t this break the rules set by JK?










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    Glaring mistakes and broken ret-cons seemed to be par for the course with JKR. So I believe the answer to your question is yes, it breaks her own rules.

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  • Can this inconsistency in the ability of the Summoning Charm (Accio) to summon animals be explained?

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Accio is not supposed to work on people or creatures as per this source:




Why couldn’t Newt use ‘Accio’ to retrieve all his beasts?



‘Accio’ only works on inanimate objects. While people or creatures may be indirectly moved by ‘Accio-ing’ objects that they are wearing or holding, this carries all kinds of risks because of the likelihood of injury to the person or beast attached to an object travelling at close to the speed of light.



JK Rowling’s New Website




Yet in the new film Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald Newt casts 'Accio' on a Niffler to get it back to him. He specifically says 'Accio Niffler'.



Doesn’t this break the rules set by JK?










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    JKR breaks the rules set by JKR...

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    9 hours ago






  • 2





    @TheLethalCarrot While this is true, it still a glaring mistake.

    – GamerGypps
    9 hours ago






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    Glaring mistakes and broken ret-cons seemed to be par for the course with JKR. So I believe the answer to your question is yes, it breaks her own rules.

    – Virusbomb
    8 hours ago






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  • Notably this is not her new (new) website but her old (new) website. It has since been superceded

    – Valorum
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This question already has an answer here:




  • Can this inconsistency in the ability of the Summoning Charm (Accio) to summon animals be explained?

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Accio is not supposed to work on people or creatures as per this source:




Why couldn’t Newt use ‘Accio’ to retrieve all his beasts?



‘Accio’ only works on inanimate objects. While people or creatures may be indirectly moved by ‘Accio-ing’ objects that they are wearing or holding, this carries all kinds of risks because of the likelihood of injury to the person or beast attached to an object travelling at close to the speed of light.



JK Rowling’s New Website




Yet in the new film Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald Newt casts 'Accio' on a Niffler to get it back to him. He specifically says 'Accio Niffler'.



Doesn’t this break the rules set by JK?










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  • Can this inconsistency in the ability of the Summoning Charm (Accio) to summon animals be explained?

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Accio is not supposed to work on people or creatures as per this source:




Why couldn’t Newt use ‘Accio’ to retrieve all his beasts?



‘Accio’ only works on inanimate objects. While people or creatures may be indirectly moved by ‘Accio-ing’ objects that they are wearing or holding, this carries all kinds of risks because of the likelihood of injury to the person or beast attached to an object travelling at close to the speed of light.



JK Rowling’s New Website




Yet in the new film Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald Newt casts 'Accio' on a Niffler to get it back to him. He specifically says 'Accio Niffler'.



Doesn’t this break the rules set by JK?





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  • 8





    JKR breaks the rules set by JKR...

    – TheLethalCarrot
    9 hours ago






  • 2





    @TheLethalCarrot While this is true, it still a glaring mistake.

    – GamerGypps
    9 hours ago






  • 5





    Glaring mistakes and broken ret-cons seemed to be par for the course with JKR. So I believe the answer to your question is yes, it breaks her own rules.

    – Virusbomb
    8 hours ago






  • 1





    This seems like a duplicate of scifi.stackexchange.com/q/207433/100430 but I can’t close it since it has no answer.

    – Alex
    8 hours ago











  • Notably this is not her new (new) website but her old (new) website. It has since been superceded

    – Valorum
    8 hours ago














  • 8





    JKR breaks the rules set by JKR...

    – TheLethalCarrot
    9 hours ago






  • 2





    @TheLethalCarrot While this is true, it still a glaring mistake.

    – GamerGypps
    9 hours ago






  • 5





    Glaring mistakes and broken ret-cons seemed to be par for the course with JKR. So I believe the answer to your question is yes, it breaks her own rules.

    – Virusbomb
    8 hours ago






  • 1





    This seems like a duplicate of scifi.stackexchange.com/q/207433/100430 but I can’t close it since it has no answer.

    – Alex
    8 hours ago











  • Notably this is not her new (new) website but her old (new) website. It has since been superceded

    – Valorum
    8 hours ago








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JKR breaks the rules set by JKR...

– TheLethalCarrot
9 hours ago





JKR breaks the rules set by JKR...

– TheLethalCarrot
9 hours ago




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@TheLethalCarrot While this is true, it still a glaring mistake.

– GamerGypps
9 hours ago





@TheLethalCarrot While this is true, it still a glaring mistake.

– GamerGypps
9 hours ago




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Glaring mistakes and broken ret-cons seemed to be par for the course with JKR. So I believe the answer to your question is yes, it breaks her own rules.

– Virusbomb
8 hours ago





Glaring mistakes and broken ret-cons seemed to be par for the course with JKR. So I believe the answer to your question is yes, it breaks her own rules.

– Virusbomb
8 hours ago




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Notably this is not her new (new) website but her old (new) website. It has since been superceded

– Valorum
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Notably this is not her new (new) website but her old (new) website. It has since been superceded

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Accio has been used on creatures before.



In the Harry Potter series, creatures have been successfully summoned by using Accio before, and aren’t harmed by it. Harry successfully Summoned Neville’s toad Trevor.




“I’m almost certain of it,’ said Hermione grimly. ‘Watch your frog, it’s escaping.’



Harry pointed his wand at the bullfrog that had been hopping hopefully towards the other side of the table – ‘Accio!’ – and it zoomed gloomily back into his hand.”
- Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, Chapter 18 (Dumbledore’s Army)




Also, Ted Tonks successfully Summons salmon out of a river.




“There ought to be a few salmon in here, or d’you reckon it’s too early in the season? Accio salmon!’



There were several distinct splashes and then the slapping sounds of fish against flesh.”
- Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Chapter 15 (The Goblin’s Revenge)




Therefore, the answer by JKR contradicts the book.






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  • Also don't forget about the fly that Harry accio'ed in Divination class while practicing the spell for the challenge. We still don't whether Harry managed to do it , or the fly was stupid to fly to his hand :)

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    I guess creatures like frogs and fish are more likely to fail their spell saves.

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I'd argue that though JKR said that objects travel close to the speed of light on that website, that all of her writings in the books seem to contradict this, as she seems to describe objects as appearing to fly through the air, rather than instantaneously teleporting, which is how traveling near the speed of light a very short distance would appear to a person. Additionally, there are examples in the books of people using accio on living things, such as Harry accio'ing the toad he was practicing the silencing charm in. As late as book 7, "accio salmon" is successfully used, however, as the intent was to eat the salmon, there was no concern about killing the salmon with sudden g-forces. https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Summoning_Charm Therefore, I see that blog post as the contradiction, rather than the accio'ing of the niffler.






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    Accio has been used on creatures before.



    In the Harry Potter series, creatures have been successfully summoned by using Accio before, and aren’t harmed by it. Harry successfully Summoned Neville’s toad Trevor.




    “I’m almost certain of it,’ said Hermione grimly. ‘Watch your frog, it’s escaping.’



    Harry pointed his wand at the bullfrog that had been hopping hopefully towards the other side of the table – ‘Accio!’ – and it zoomed gloomily back into his hand.”
    - Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, Chapter 18 (Dumbledore’s Army)




    Also, Ted Tonks successfully Summons salmon out of a river.




    “There ought to be a few salmon in here, or d’you reckon it’s too early in the season? Accio salmon!’



    There were several distinct splashes and then the slapping sounds of fish against flesh.”
    - Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Chapter 15 (The Goblin’s Revenge)




    Therefore, the answer by JKR contradicts the book.






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      It's worth mentioning that book canon is separate from movie canon, and both are separate from Rowling's "word of God". Questions and answers should be more specific about which canon they're talking about.

      – only_pro
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    • Also don't forget about the fly that Harry accio'ed in Divination class while practicing the spell for the challenge. We still don't whether Harry managed to do it , or the fly was stupid to fly to his hand :)

      – atayenel
      3 hours ago






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      I guess creatures like frogs and fish are more likely to fail their spell saves.

      – Sycorax
      3 hours ago
















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    Accio has been used on creatures before.



    In the Harry Potter series, creatures have been successfully summoned by using Accio before, and aren’t harmed by it. Harry successfully Summoned Neville’s toad Trevor.




    “I’m almost certain of it,’ said Hermione grimly. ‘Watch your frog, it’s escaping.’



    Harry pointed his wand at the bullfrog that had been hopping hopefully towards the other side of the table – ‘Accio!’ – and it zoomed gloomily back into his hand.”
    - Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, Chapter 18 (Dumbledore’s Army)




    Also, Ted Tonks successfully Summons salmon out of a river.




    “There ought to be a few salmon in here, or d’you reckon it’s too early in the season? Accio salmon!’



    There were several distinct splashes and then the slapping sounds of fish against flesh.”
    - Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Chapter 15 (The Goblin’s Revenge)




    Therefore, the answer by JKR contradicts the book.






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      It's worth mentioning that book canon is separate from movie canon, and both are separate from Rowling's "word of God". Questions and answers should be more specific about which canon they're talking about.

      – only_pro
      4 hours ago













    • Also don't forget about the fly that Harry accio'ed in Divination class while practicing the spell for the challenge. We still don't whether Harry managed to do it , or the fly was stupid to fly to his hand :)

      – atayenel
      3 hours ago






    • 1





      I guess creatures like frogs and fish are more likely to fail their spell saves.

      – Sycorax
      3 hours ago














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    Accio has been used on creatures before.



    In the Harry Potter series, creatures have been successfully summoned by using Accio before, and aren’t harmed by it. Harry successfully Summoned Neville’s toad Trevor.




    “I’m almost certain of it,’ said Hermione grimly. ‘Watch your frog, it’s escaping.’



    Harry pointed his wand at the bullfrog that had been hopping hopefully towards the other side of the table – ‘Accio!’ – and it zoomed gloomily back into his hand.”
    - Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, Chapter 18 (Dumbledore’s Army)




    Also, Ted Tonks successfully Summons salmon out of a river.




    “There ought to be a few salmon in here, or d’you reckon it’s too early in the season? Accio salmon!’



    There were several distinct splashes and then the slapping sounds of fish against flesh.”
    - Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Chapter 15 (The Goblin’s Revenge)




    Therefore, the answer by JKR contradicts the book.






    share|improve this answer















    Accio has been used on creatures before.



    In the Harry Potter series, creatures have been successfully summoned by using Accio before, and aren’t harmed by it. Harry successfully Summoned Neville’s toad Trevor.




    “I’m almost certain of it,’ said Hermione grimly. ‘Watch your frog, it’s escaping.’



    Harry pointed his wand at the bullfrog that had been hopping hopefully towards the other side of the table – ‘Accio!’ – and it zoomed gloomily back into his hand.”
    - Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, Chapter 18 (Dumbledore’s Army)




    Also, Ted Tonks successfully Summons salmon out of a river.




    “There ought to be a few salmon in here, or d’you reckon it’s too early in the season? Accio salmon!’



    There were several distinct splashes and then the slapping sounds of fish against flesh.”
    - Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Chapter 15 (The Goblin’s Revenge)




    Therefore, the answer by JKR contradicts the book.







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      It's worth mentioning that book canon is separate from movie canon, and both are separate from Rowling's "word of God". Questions and answers should be more specific about which canon they're talking about.

      – only_pro
      4 hours ago













    • Also don't forget about the fly that Harry accio'ed in Divination class while practicing the spell for the challenge. We still don't whether Harry managed to do it , or the fly was stupid to fly to his hand :)

      – atayenel
      3 hours ago






    • 1





      I guess creatures like frogs and fish are more likely to fail their spell saves.

      – Sycorax
      3 hours ago














    • 1





      It's worth mentioning that book canon is separate from movie canon, and both are separate from Rowling's "word of God". Questions and answers should be more specific about which canon they're talking about.

      – only_pro
      4 hours ago













    • Also don't forget about the fly that Harry accio'ed in Divination class while practicing the spell for the challenge. We still don't whether Harry managed to do it , or the fly was stupid to fly to his hand :)

      – atayenel
      3 hours ago






    • 1





      I guess creatures like frogs and fish are more likely to fail their spell saves.

      – Sycorax
      3 hours ago








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    1





    It's worth mentioning that book canon is separate from movie canon, and both are separate from Rowling's "word of God". Questions and answers should be more specific about which canon they're talking about.

    – only_pro
    4 hours ago







    It's worth mentioning that book canon is separate from movie canon, and both are separate from Rowling's "word of God". Questions and answers should be more specific about which canon they're talking about.

    – only_pro
    4 hours ago















    Also don't forget about the fly that Harry accio'ed in Divination class while practicing the spell for the challenge. We still don't whether Harry managed to do it , or the fly was stupid to fly to his hand :)

    – atayenel
    3 hours ago





    Also don't forget about the fly that Harry accio'ed in Divination class while practicing the spell for the challenge. We still don't whether Harry managed to do it , or the fly was stupid to fly to his hand :)

    – atayenel
    3 hours ago




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    I guess creatures like frogs and fish are more likely to fail their spell saves.

    – Sycorax
    3 hours ago





    I guess creatures like frogs and fish are more likely to fail their spell saves.

    – Sycorax
    3 hours ago













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    I'd argue that though JKR said that objects travel close to the speed of light on that website, that all of her writings in the books seem to contradict this, as she seems to describe objects as appearing to fly through the air, rather than instantaneously teleporting, which is how traveling near the speed of light a very short distance would appear to a person. Additionally, there are examples in the books of people using accio on living things, such as Harry accio'ing the toad he was practicing the silencing charm in. As late as book 7, "accio salmon" is successfully used, however, as the intent was to eat the salmon, there was no concern about killing the salmon with sudden g-forces. https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Summoning_Charm Therefore, I see that blog post as the contradiction, rather than the accio'ing of the niffler.






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      I'd argue that though JKR said that objects travel close to the speed of light on that website, that all of her writings in the books seem to contradict this, as she seems to describe objects as appearing to fly through the air, rather than instantaneously teleporting, which is how traveling near the speed of light a very short distance would appear to a person. Additionally, there are examples in the books of people using accio on living things, such as Harry accio'ing the toad he was practicing the silencing charm in. As late as book 7, "accio salmon" is successfully used, however, as the intent was to eat the salmon, there was no concern about killing the salmon with sudden g-forces. https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Summoning_Charm Therefore, I see that blog post as the contradiction, rather than the accio'ing of the niffler.






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        I'd argue that though JKR said that objects travel close to the speed of light on that website, that all of her writings in the books seem to contradict this, as she seems to describe objects as appearing to fly through the air, rather than instantaneously teleporting, which is how traveling near the speed of light a very short distance would appear to a person. Additionally, there are examples in the books of people using accio on living things, such as Harry accio'ing the toad he was practicing the silencing charm in. As late as book 7, "accio salmon" is successfully used, however, as the intent was to eat the salmon, there was no concern about killing the salmon with sudden g-forces. https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Summoning_Charm Therefore, I see that blog post as the contradiction, rather than the accio'ing of the niffler.






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        I'd argue that though JKR said that objects travel close to the speed of light on that website, that all of her writings in the books seem to contradict this, as she seems to describe objects as appearing to fly through the air, rather than instantaneously teleporting, which is how traveling near the speed of light a very short distance would appear to a person. Additionally, there are examples in the books of people using accio on living things, such as Harry accio'ing the toad he was practicing the silencing charm in. As late as book 7, "accio salmon" is successfully used, however, as the intent was to eat the salmon, there was no concern about killing the salmon with sudden g-forces. https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Summoning_Charm Therefore, I see that blog post as the contradiction, rather than the accio'ing of the niffler.







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