How much do grades matter for a future academia position?
I am completing my PhD and I was wondering how much does the PhD coursework grades affect future academia applications? My undergraduate and master's was somewhat decent grade wise (3.8/4) in both. However, I had taken two mandatory courses during my PhD and I got B+ and A- in them. It was not because of the difficulty in the coursework, but I was burned out with courseworks from master's and did not put any effort. My GPA turned out to be 3.56. I did not take any other coursework as my qualifiers committee found my theoretical knowledge adequate for continuing with my PhD.
Back of my mind, I am concerned that this will affect my postdoc and subsequent professorship applications.
Is there any academic out there in same boat as me but have made it successfully in the professional world?
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I am completing my PhD and I was wondering how much does the PhD coursework grades affect future academia applications? My undergraduate and master's was somewhat decent grade wise (3.8/4) in both. However, I had taken two mandatory courses during my PhD and I got B+ and A- in them. It was not because of the difficulty in the coursework, but I was burned out with courseworks from master's and did not put any effort. My GPA turned out to be 3.56. I did not take any other coursework as my qualifiers committee found my theoretical knowledge adequate for continuing with my PhD.
Back of my mind, I am concerned that this will affect my postdoc and subsequent professorship applications.
Is there any academic out there in same boat as me but have made it successfully in the professional world?
phd postdocs professors academic-life
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People look at your publications. If you don't have any, grades might start to matter, but then you have lower chances anyway because publications trump everything.
– Roland
6 hours ago
No one looks at grades for even undergrads. Certainly no one is going to care if you have a PhD.
– only_pro
2 hours ago
Related, if not duplicate: Why is PhD GPA considered irrelevant?
– cag51
10 mins ago
add a comment |
I am completing my PhD and I was wondering how much does the PhD coursework grades affect future academia applications? My undergraduate and master's was somewhat decent grade wise (3.8/4) in both. However, I had taken two mandatory courses during my PhD and I got B+ and A- in them. It was not because of the difficulty in the coursework, but I was burned out with courseworks from master's and did not put any effort. My GPA turned out to be 3.56. I did not take any other coursework as my qualifiers committee found my theoretical knowledge adequate for continuing with my PhD.
Back of my mind, I am concerned that this will affect my postdoc and subsequent professorship applications.
Is there any academic out there in same boat as me but have made it successfully in the professional world?
phd postdocs professors academic-life
New contributor
I am completing my PhD and I was wondering how much does the PhD coursework grades affect future academia applications? My undergraduate and master's was somewhat decent grade wise (3.8/4) in both. However, I had taken two mandatory courses during my PhD and I got B+ and A- in them. It was not because of the difficulty in the coursework, but I was burned out with courseworks from master's and did not put any effort. My GPA turned out to be 3.56. I did not take any other coursework as my qualifiers committee found my theoretical knowledge adequate for continuing with my PhD.
Back of my mind, I am concerned that this will affect my postdoc and subsequent professorship applications.
Is there any academic out there in same boat as me but have made it successfully in the professional world?
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People look at your publications. If you don't have any, grades might start to matter, but then you have lower chances anyway because publications trump everything.
– Roland
6 hours ago
No one looks at grades for even undergrads. Certainly no one is going to care if you have a PhD.
– only_pro
2 hours ago
Related, if not duplicate: Why is PhD GPA considered irrelevant?
– cag51
10 mins ago
add a comment |
3
People look at your publications. If you don't have any, grades might start to matter, but then you have lower chances anyway because publications trump everything.
– Roland
6 hours ago
No one looks at grades for even undergrads. Certainly no one is going to care if you have a PhD.
– only_pro
2 hours ago
Related, if not duplicate: Why is PhD GPA considered irrelevant?
– cag51
10 mins ago
3
3
People look at your publications. If you don't have any, grades might start to matter, but then you have lower chances anyway because publications trump everything.
– Roland
6 hours ago
People look at your publications. If you don't have any, grades might start to matter, but then you have lower chances anyway because publications trump everything.
– Roland
6 hours ago
No one looks at grades for even undergrads. Certainly no one is going to care if you have a PhD.
– only_pro
2 hours ago
No one looks at grades for even undergrads. Certainly no one is going to care if you have a PhD.
– only_pro
2 hours ago
Related, if not duplicate: Why is PhD GPA considered irrelevant?
– cag51
10 mins ago
Related, if not duplicate: Why is PhD GPA considered irrelevant?
– cag51
10 mins ago
add a comment |
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In the US, at least, and in most fields, no one will look at your grades or care much about them. If they were good enough for your institution to give you a doctorate, they will be good enough for everyone.
I'm not sure this is universal, and would love to hear of exceptions. Such exceptions might occur in situations that have rigid regulations. Of course, if you are specifically hired to do X and you got terrible grades in X as a student, people might have some problems that need answers.
NIH F32 postdoc grants ask about grades. Beyond that, I have never been asked for grades or my transcript.
– StrongBad♦
1 hour ago
@StrongBad, yes, NIH might be a bit stricter, since the fact that they deal with health issues can result in tighter requirements on researchers,
– Buffy
1 hour ago
add a comment |
Having applied to a number of postdoc positions and some assistant professor positions (in Northern Europe and Germany), nobody has ever asked about my grades and they are not visible on my CV. Once someone asked about how quickly I finished my master's thesis.
add a comment |
Things may vary from country to country. 3.56/4
is likely to be rated very good
or excellent
in most situations. However, in a context where an academic position is to be held on a competitive basis, an applicant with a GPA of 3.75
, for example, is likely to get precedence over an applicant with a GPA of 3.5
or thereabout. The context and the academic culture matters.
Could you elaborate which part of the world and which parts of academia this answer pertains to?
– Tobias Kildetoft
5 hours ago
@Tobias Kildetoft: It pertains to sub-Saharan Africa. I am not clear with "which parts of academia?"
– Ayalew A.
5 hours ago
I mean which fields and which types of jobs (both postdoc and professor for example?)
– Tobias Kildetoft
5 hours ago
3
@Tobias Kildetoft: I was referring to tenure-track academic positions (assistant professor and above). Checking out the situation in my university, I learned that grades do not matter in hiring PhD holders for academic positions. I will delete my answer.
– Ayalew A.
4 hours ago
add a comment |
The competition for faculty/postdoc positions is very stiff on:
- Papers
- Research interests/project proposal
- References
- Funding/grants/fellowships of candidate, if any
- Prestige of alma mater
- Prestige of advisor
If grades mattered to a search committee, they would be overshadowed by these. So they would come into play in two situations:
- If you somehow get candidates that are so close that you need to resort to looking at their grades to distinguish them.
- If the best candidates are seriously deficient in all the above points and grades are their biggest plus.
Due to extreme competition for academic positions, you are very unlikely to encounter either.
add a comment |
I have never been asked for my GPA, nor has anyone else I know in Academia. I'm most familiar with the U.S. system, but I know people with postdocs and professorships across the world and I'm pretty sure asking GPA would raise eyebrows world-wide.
Occasionally HR will require you to submit a transcript, but I don't believe hiring committees pay attention to this. Often they are submitted after an offer has been made.
– Dawn
6 mins ago
add a comment |
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In the US, at least, and in most fields, no one will look at your grades or care much about them. If they were good enough for your institution to give you a doctorate, they will be good enough for everyone.
I'm not sure this is universal, and would love to hear of exceptions. Such exceptions might occur in situations that have rigid regulations. Of course, if you are specifically hired to do X and you got terrible grades in X as a student, people might have some problems that need answers.
NIH F32 postdoc grants ask about grades. Beyond that, I have never been asked for grades or my transcript.
– StrongBad♦
1 hour ago
@StrongBad, yes, NIH might be a bit stricter, since the fact that they deal with health issues can result in tighter requirements on researchers,
– Buffy
1 hour ago
add a comment |
In the US, at least, and in most fields, no one will look at your grades or care much about them. If they were good enough for your institution to give you a doctorate, they will be good enough for everyone.
I'm not sure this is universal, and would love to hear of exceptions. Such exceptions might occur in situations that have rigid regulations. Of course, if you are specifically hired to do X and you got terrible grades in X as a student, people might have some problems that need answers.
NIH F32 postdoc grants ask about grades. Beyond that, I have never been asked for grades or my transcript.
– StrongBad♦
1 hour ago
@StrongBad, yes, NIH might be a bit stricter, since the fact that they deal with health issues can result in tighter requirements on researchers,
– Buffy
1 hour ago
add a comment |
In the US, at least, and in most fields, no one will look at your grades or care much about them. If they were good enough for your institution to give you a doctorate, they will be good enough for everyone.
I'm not sure this is universal, and would love to hear of exceptions. Such exceptions might occur in situations that have rigid regulations. Of course, if you are specifically hired to do X and you got terrible grades in X as a student, people might have some problems that need answers.
In the US, at least, and in most fields, no one will look at your grades or care much about them. If they were good enough for your institution to give you a doctorate, they will be good enough for everyone.
I'm not sure this is universal, and would love to hear of exceptions. Such exceptions might occur in situations that have rigid regulations. Of course, if you are specifically hired to do X and you got terrible grades in X as a student, people might have some problems that need answers.
answered 6 hours ago
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NIH F32 postdoc grants ask about grades. Beyond that, I have never been asked for grades or my transcript.
– StrongBad♦
1 hour ago
@StrongBad, yes, NIH might be a bit stricter, since the fact that they deal with health issues can result in tighter requirements on researchers,
– Buffy
1 hour ago
add a comment |
NIH F32 postdoc grants ask about grades. Beyond that, I have never been asked for grades or my transcript.
– StrongBad♦
1 hour ago
@StrongBad, yes, NIH might be a bit stricter, since the fact that they deal with health issues can result in tighter requirements on researchers,
– Buffy
1 hour ago
NIH F32 postdoc grants ask about grades. Beyond that, I have never been asked for grades or my transcript.
– StrongBad♦
1 hour ago
NIH F32 postdoc grants ask about grades. Beyond that, I have never been asked for grades or my transcript.
– StrongBad♦
1 hour ago
@StrongBad, yes, NIH might be a bit stricter, since the fact that they deal with health issues can result in tighter requirements on researchers,
– Buffy
1 hour ago
@StrongBad, yes, NIH might be a bit stricter, since the fact that they deal with health issues can result in tighter requirements on researchers,
– Buffy
1 hour ago
add a comment |
Having applied to a number of postdoc positions and some assistant professor positions (in Northern Europe and Germany), nobody has ever asked about my grades and they are not visible on my CV. Once someone asked about how quickly I finished my master's thesis.
add a comment |
Having applied to a number of postdoc positions and some assistant professor positions (in Northern Europe and Germany), nobody has ever asked about my grades and they are not visible on my CV. Once someone asked about how quickly I finished my master's thesis.
add a comment |
Having applied to a number of postdoc positions and some assistant professor positions (in Northern Europe and Germany), nobody has ever asked about my grades and they are not visible on my CV. Once someone asked about how quickly I finished my master's thesis.
Having applied to a number of postdoc positions and some assistant professor positions (in Northern Europe and Germany), nobody has ever asked about my grades and they are not visible on my CV. Once someone asked about how quickly I finished my master's thesis.
answered 6 hours ago
Tommi BranderTommi Brander
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Things may vary from country to country. 3.56/4
is likely to be rated very good
or excellent
in most situations. However, in a context where an academic position is to be held on a competitive basis, an applicant with a GPA of 3.75
, for example, is likely to get precedence over an applicant with a GPA of 3.5
or thereabout. The context and the academic culture matters.
Could you elaborate which part of the world and which parts of academia this answer pertains to?
– Tobias Kildetoft
5 hours ago
@Tobias Kildetoft: It pertains to sub-Saharan Africa. I am not clear with "which parts of academia?"
– Ayalew A.
5 hours ago
I mean which fields and which types of jobs (both postdoc and professor for example?)
– Tobias Kildetoft
5 hours ago
3
@Tobias Kildetoft: I was referring to tenure-track academic positions (assistant professor and above). Checking out the situation in my university, I learned that grades do not matter in hiring PhD holders for academic positions. I will delete my answer.
– Ayalew A.
4 hours ago
add a comment |
Things may vary from country to country. 3.56/4
is likely to be rated very good
or excellent
in most situations. However, in a context where an academic position is to be held on a competitive basis, an applicant with a GPA of 3.75
, for example, is likely to get precedence over an applicant with a GPA of 3.5
or thereabout. The context and the academic culture matters.
Could you elaborate which part of the world and which parts of academia this answer pertains to?
– Tobias Kildetoft
5 hours ago
@Tobias Kildetoft: It pertains to sub-Saharan Africa. I am not clear with "which parts of academia?"
– Ayalew A.
5 hours ago
I mean which fields and which types of jobs (both postdoc and professor for example?)
– Tobias Kildetoft
5 hours ago
3
@Tobias Kildetoft: I was referring to tenure-track academic positions (assistant professor and above). Checking out the situation in my university, I learned that grades do not matter in hiring PhD holders for academic positions. I will delete my answer.
– Ayalew A.
4 hours ago
add a comment |
Things may vary from country to country. 3.56/4
is likely to be rated very good
or excellent
in most situations. However, in a context where an academic position is to be held on a competitive basis, an applicant with a GPA of 3.75
, for example, is likely to get precedence over an applicant with a GPA of 3.5
or thereabout. The context and the academic culture matters.
Things may vary from country to country. 3.56/4
is likely to be rated very good
or excellent
in most situations. However, in a context where an academic position is to be held on a competitive basis, an applicant with a GPA of 3.75
, for example, is likely to get precedence over an applicant with a GPA of 3.5
or thereabout. The context and the academic culture matters.
answered 6 hours ago
Ayalew A.Ayalew A.
1,374148
1,374148
Could you elaborate which part of the world and which parts of academia this answer pertains to?
– Tobias Kildetoft
5 hours ago
@Tobias Kildetoft: It pertains to sub-Saharan Africa. I am not clear with "which parts of academia?"
– Ayalew A.
5 hours ago
I mean which fields and which types of jobs (both postdoc and professor for example?)
– Tobias Kildetoft
5 hours ago
3
@Tobias Kildetoft: I was referring to tenure-track academic positions (assistant professor and above). Checking out the situation in my university, I learned that grades do not matter in hiring PhD holders for academic positions. I will delete my answer.
– Ayalew A.
4 hours ago
add a comment |
Could you elaborate which part of the world and which parts of academia this answer pertains to?
– Tobias Kildetoft
5 hours ago
@Tobias Kildetoft: It pertains to sub-Saharan Africa. I am not clear with "which parts of academia?"
– Ayalew A.
5 hours ago
I mean which fields and which types of jobs (both postdoc and professor for example?)
– Tobias Kildetoft
5 hours ago
3
@Tobias Kildetoft: I was referring to tenure-track academic positions (assistant professor and above). Checking out the situation in my university, I learned that grades do not matter in hiring PhD holders for academic positions. I will delete my answer.
– Ayalew A.
4 hours ago
Could you elaborate which part of the world and which parts of academia this answer pertains to?
– Tobias Kildetoft
5 hours ago
Could you elaborate which part of the world and which parts of academia this answer pertains to?
– Tobias Kildetoft
5 hours ago
@Tobias Kildetoft: It pertains to sub-Saharan Africa. I am not clear with "which parts of academia?"
– Ayalew A.
5 hours ago
@Tobias Kildetoft: It pertains to sub-Saharan Africa. I am not clear with "which parts of academia?"
– Ayalew A.
5 hours ago
I mean which fields and which types of jobs (both postdoc and professor for example?)
– Tobias Kildetoft
5 hours ago
I mean which fields and which types of jobs (both postdoc and professor for example?)
– Tobias Kildetoft
5 hours ago
3
3
@Tobias Kildetoft: I was referring to tenure-track academic positions (assistant professor and above). Checking out the situation in my university, I learned that grades do not matter in hiring PhD holders for academic positions. I will delete my answer.
– Ayalew A.
4 hours ago
@Tobias Kildetoft: I was referring to tenure-track academic positions (assistant professor and above). Checking out the situation in my university, I learned that grades do not matter in hiring PhD holders for academic positions. I will delete my answer.
– Ayalew A.
4 hours ago
add a comment |
The competition for faculty/postdoc positions is very stiff on:
- Papers
- Research interests/project proposal
- References
- Funding/grants/fellowships of candidate, if any
- Prestige of alma mater
- Prestige of advisor
If grades mattered to a search committee, they would be overshadowed by these. So they would come into play in two situations:
- If you somehow get candidates that are so close that you need to resort to looking at their grades to distinguish them.
- If the best candidates are seriously deficient in all the above points and grades are their biggest plus.
Due to extreme competition for academic positions, you are very unlikely to encounter either.
add a comment |
The competition for faculty/postdoc positions is very stiff on:
- Papers
- Research interests/project proposal
- References
- Funding/grants/fellowships of candidate, if any
- Prestige of alma mater
- Prestige of advisor
If grades mattered to a search committee, they would be overshadowed by these. So they would come into play in two situations:
- If you somehow get candidates that are so close that you need to resort to looking at their grades to distinguish them.
- If the best candidates are seriously deficient in all the above points and grades are their biggest plus.
Due to extreme competition for academic positions, you are very unlikely to encounter either.
add a comment |
The competition for faculty/postdoc positions is very stiff on:
- Papers
- Research interests/project proposal
- References
- Funding/grants/fellowships of candidate, if any
- Prestige of alma mater
- Prestige of advisor
If grades mattered to a search committee, they would be overshadowed by these. So they would come into play in two situations:
- If you somehow get candidates that are so close that you need to resort to looking at their grades to distinguish them.
- If the best candidates are seriously deficient in all the above points and grades are their biggest plus.
Due to extreme competition for academic positions, you are very unlikely to encounter either.
The competition for faculty/postdoc positions is very stiff on:
- Papers
- Research interests/project proposal
- References
- Funding/grants/fellowships of candidate, if any
- Prestige of alma mater
- Prestige of advisor
If grades mattered to a search committee, they would be overshadowed by these. So they would come into play in two situations:
- If you somehow get candidates that are so close that you need to resort to looking at their grades to distinguish them.
- If the best candidates are seriously deficient in all the above points and grades are their biggest plus.
Due to extreme competition for academic positions, you are very unlikely to encounter either.
answered 34 mins ago
TruslyTrusly
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83618
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I have never been asked for my GPA, nor has anyone else I know in Academia. I'm most familiar with the U.S. system, but I know people with postdocs and professorships across the world and I'm pretty sure asking GPA would raise eyebrows world-wide.
Occasionally HR will require you to submit a transcript, but I don't believe hiring committees pay attention to this. Often they are submitted after an offer has been made.
– Dawn
6 mins ago
add a comment |
I have never been asked for my GPA, nor has anyone else I know in Academia. I'm most familiar with the U.S. system, but I know people with postdocs and professorships across the world and I'm pretty sure asking GPA would raise eyebrows world-wide.
Occasionally HR will require you to submit a transcript, but I don't believe hiring committees pay attention to this. Often they are submitted after an offer has been made.
– Dawn
6 mins ago
add a comment |
I have never been asked for my GPA, nor has anyone else I know in Academia. I'm most familiar with the U.S. system, but I know people with postdocs and professorships across the world and I'm pretty sure asking GPA would raise eyebrows world-wide.
I have never been asked for my GPA, nor has anyone else I know in Academia. I'm most familiar with the U.S. system, but I know people with postdocs and professorships across the world and I'm pretty sure asking GPA would raise eyebrows world-wide.
answered 12 mins ago
sevensevenssevensevens
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4,306925
Occasionally HR will require you to submit a transcript, but I don't believe hiring committees pay attention to this. Often they are submitted after an offer has been made.
– Dawn
6 mins ago
add a comment |
Occasionally HR will require you to submit a transcript, but I don't believe hiring committees pay attention to this. Often they are submitted after an offer has been made.
– Dawn
6 mins ago
Occasionally HR will require you to submit a transcript, but I don't believe hiring committees pay attention to this. Often they are submitted after an offer has been made.
– Dawn
6 mins ago
Occasionally HR will require you to submit a transcript, but I don't believe hiring committees pay attention to this. Often they are submitted after an offer has been made.
– Dawn
6 mins ago
add a comment |
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People look at your publications. If you don't have any, grades might start to matter, but then you have lower chances anyway because publications trump everything.
– Roland
6 hours ago
No one looks at grades for even undergrads. Certainly no one is going to care if you have a PhD.
– only_pro
2 hours ago
Related, if not duplicate: Why is PhD GPA considered irrelevant?
– cag51
10 mins ago