An undergraduate said they may hire a freelancer to do their work for them. What should I do?
I, a graduate student, have started tutoring undergraduates in computer science at my university to help make ends meet. One student who inquired about my services turned me down upon hearing my rates and remarked (in writing) that they might as well just buy solutions to their projects on a particular freelancing website for that price, as their friends do.
Should I tell the professor about this student, in case he wants to review their submissions more closely? I don't have any proof that they have already cheated, but this constitutes strong evidence that they are likely to. In this question, the OP appears to have evidence to suggest that cheating has taken place already, which seems more clear-cut.
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I, a graduate student, have started tutoring undergraduates in computer science at my university to help make ends meet. One student who inquired about my services turned me down upon hearing my rates and remarked (in writing) that they might as well just buy solutions to their projects on a particular freelancing website for that price, as their friends do.
Should I tell the professor about this student, in case he wants to review their submissions more closely? I don't have any proof that they have already cheated, but this constitutes strong evidence that they are likely to. In this question, the OP appears to have evidence to suggest that cheating has taken place already, which seems more clear-cut.
ethics teaching plagiarism teaching-assistant cheating
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Stories like this are one of the reasons I have moved away from projects as assessments - many projects suffer the "two day crash" preparation along with the well-prepared students "helping" the ones doing a late piece of work.
– Solar Mike
2 days ago
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I don't agree that the student is likely to cheat. If he wants to, he wouldn't have told you. He is complaining that other get faster / better results for cheating. Don't kill the messenger, fix the problem.
– Chris
2 days ago
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-1 for "constitutes strong evidence that they are likely to". What you have is evidence that the student is aware that such services exist and are being used by others, and is aware of what the prices are.
– JBentley
2 days ago
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The title is misleading, making an implication that is not supported by the scenario in the question itself.
– chepner
2 days ago
15
@SolarMike One way to avoid the two-day-crash-project and the hire-someone-to-wrtie-it project is to require incremental deliverables - design documents, working submodules. That models real software development, and you get much better results. English professors do the same by requiring regular drafts for comment and revision.
– Ethan Bolker
2 days ago
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I, a graduate student, have started tutoring undergraduates in computer science at my university to help make ends meet. One student who inquired about my services turned me down upon hearing my rates and remarked (in writing) that they might as well just buy solutions to their projects on a particular freelancing website for that price, as their friends do.
Should I tell the professor about this student, in case he wants to review their submissions more closely? I don't have any proof that they have already cheated, but this constitutes strong evidence that they are likely to. In this question, the OP appears to have evidence to suggest that cheating has taken place already, which seems more clear-cut.
ethics teaching plagiarism teaching-assistant cheating
I, a graduate student, have started tutoring undergraduates in computer science at my university to help make ends meet. One student who inquired about my services turned me down upon hearing my rates and remarked (in writing) that they might as well just buy solutions to their projects on a particular freelancing website for that price, as their friends do.
Should I tell the professor about this student, in case he wants to review their submissions more closely? I don't have any proof that they have already cheated, but this constitutes strong evidence that they are likely to. In this question, the OP appears to have evidence to suggest that cheating has taken place already, which seems more clear-cut.
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Stories like this are one of the reasons I have moved away from projects as assessments - many projects suffer the "two day crash" preparation along with the well-prepared students "helping" the ones doing a late piece of work.
– Solar Mike
2 days ago
94
I don't agree that the student is likely to cheat. If he wants to, he wouldn't have told you. He is complaining that other get faster / better results for cheating. Don't kill the messenger, fix the problem.
– Chris
2 days ago
62
-1 for "constitutes strong evidence that they are likely to". What you have is evidence that the student is aware that such services exist and are being used by others, and is aware of what the prices are.
– JBentley
2 days ago
20
The title is misleading, making an implication that is not supported by the scenario in the question itself.
– chepner
2 days ago
15
@SolarMike One way to avoid the two-day-crash-project and the hire-someone-to-wrtie-it project is to require incremental deliverables - design documents, working submodules. That models real software development, and you get much better results. English professors do the same by requiring regular drafts for comment and revision.
– Ethan Bolker
2 days ago
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Stories like this are one of the reasons I have moved away from projects as assessments - many projects suffer the "two day crash" preparation along with the well-prepared students "helping" the ones doing a late piece of work.
– Solar Mike
2 days ago
94
I don't agree that the student is likely to cheat. If he wants to, he wouldn't have told you. He is complaining that other get faster / better results for cheating. Don't kill the messenger, fix the problem.
– Chris
2 days ago
62
-1 for "constitutes strong evidence that they are likely to". What you have is evidence that the student is aware that such services exist and are being used by others, and is aware of what the prices are.
– JBentley
2 days ago
20
The title is misleading, making an implication that is not supported by the scenario in the question itself.
– chepner
2 days ago
15
@SolarMike One way to avoid the two-day-crash-project and the hire-someone-to-wrtie-it project is to require incremental deliverables - design documents, working submodules. That models real software development, and you get much better results. English professors do the same by requiring regular drafts for comment and revision.
– Ethan Bolker
2 days ago
10
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Stories like this are one of the reasons I have moved away from projects as assessments - many projects suffer the "two day crash" preparation along with the well-prepared students "helping" the ones doing a late piece of work.
– Solar Mike
2 days ago
Stories like this are one of the reasons I have moved away from projects as assessments - many projects suffer the "two day crash" preparation along with the well-prepared students "helping" the ones doing a late piece of work.
– Solar Mike
2 days ago
94
94
I don't agree that the student is likely to cheat. If he wants to, he wouldn't have told you. He is complaining that other get faster / better results for cheating. Don't kill the messenger, fix the problem.
– Chris
2 days ago
I don't agree that the student is likely to cheat. If he wants to, he wouldn't have told you. He is complaining that other get faster / better results for cheating. Don't kill the messenger, fix the problem.
– Chris
2 days ago
62
62
-1 for "constitutes strong evidence that they are likely to". What you have is evidence that the student is aware that such services exist and are being used by others, and is aware of what the prices are.
– JBentley
2 days ago
-1 for "constitutes strong evidence that they are likely to". What you have is evidence that the student is aware that such services exist and are being used by others, and is aware of what the prices are.
– JBentley
2 days ago
20
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The title is misleading, making an implication that is not supported by the scenario in the question itself.
– chepner
2 days ago
The title is misleading, making an implication that is not supported by the scenario in the question itself.
– chepner
2 days ago
15
15
@SolarMike One way to avoid the two-day-crash-project and the hire-someone-to-wrtie-it project is to require incremental deliverables - design documents, working submodules. That models real software development, and you get much better results. English professors do the same by requiring regular drafts for comment and revision.
– Ethan Bolker
2 days ago
@SolarMike One way to avoid the two-day-crash-project and the hire-someone-to-wrtie-it project is to require incremental deliverables - design documents, working submodules. That models real software development, and you get much better results. English professors do the same by requiring regular drafts for comment and revision.
– Ethan Bolker
2 days ago
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In dubio pro reo. Evaluations of projects is already a highly subjective process. If you tell someone "Please evaluate this project, it is very likely the author cheated" they will probably give a worse grade than if simply told to evaluate the exact same project. What if the student then didn't cheat?
If your institution has no way of properly assessing a candidate, i.e., one could "buy" a degree by having external services do the work, then this is an institutional problem and you won't fix it by suggesting to a professor that one of their students may cheat.
Lastly, think about the effects your behavior has on the institutional climate. Would you like to study in an environment in which people tell professors "Arnold may be cheating, I watched him visit that freelancing website"?
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There is a huge difference between “Check this particular project; the author may have cheated.” and “Check out this freelancing site; you may have a systemic cheating problem.”
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[The student] remarked (in writing) that they might as well just buy solutions to their projects on a particular freelancing website for that price, as their friends do.
That does not sound to me like "admitting" that they "would" cheat. If I said to a prospective financial advisor, "your rates are so high I may as well just declare bankruptcy now", that does not mean that I am going to declare bankruptcy, it is merely a way to express that the advisor's services do not seem cost-effective.
Given this, I would do nothing -- you offered legitimate tutoring services and the student declined your offer. You have no compelling reason to suspect that the student will actually cheat.
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I agree with this analysis of the student's (lack of) guilt. However, the last four words of the quote outright say they have knowledge of other students cheating.
– Ben Voigt
2 days ago
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It's hard to know whether the student was making an actual claim ("I've seen others cheat") or just demonstrating superiority bias (it's easy to assume "lots of people" are cheating and that we're one of the few honest ones). Even in the former case, it is very difficult to prosecute such an indirect offense. I think OP should do nothing -- at most, they could tell the professor to watch for cheating generally, but that's not terribly helpful.
– cag51
2 days ago
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...After all, this may all be just a naive attempt to drop the price.
– Zeus
2 days ago
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You need to find and read your University's honor policy.
Assuming that:
- It makes cheating an offense
- It requires reporting violations of the policy
then it puts a reporting burden on the student who knows of cheating to report it, and either (a) they did report it (to you), which you need to relay or (b) their failure to report it is a violation which you know about, making you responsible to report that. Yuck!
As a graduate student, the best thing to do is to just kick this up the chain. Do not tell the professor that the student you met with is cheating, or tried to cheat, or is likely to cheat. Stick to the facts that they told you cheating was going on but you don't know the details.
The professor has a lot more latitude to stop the process at that point, perhaps by making a point during the next class to inform students that cheating has not gone unnoticed and needs to stop immediately. You can even make a suggestion to not drag the student in for questioning. The professor has (probably) the authority to make that decision; you do not.
Note that while you may feel that reporting is not ethically required, the correct way to fight back against such a policy is to tell your school you think (2) is unjust, not to go around disregarding it.
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You're actually bringing up two separate possible things to do:
- Telling on the specific student, and
- Discussing the general situation of students buying intended project outputs online.
I suggest you pursue the second action with the Professor, without incriminating the person who gave you the tip (i.e. without the first item).
As for what to do about this problem - that's a matter for another question.
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I think it's clear the students motivation for this comment was to stress you are charging to much. I think he would be well within reason to be upset by you earmarking him for cheating.
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First, I'll guess that the prof already recognizes the possibility.
Second, if you have a contractual obligation to the student you need to honor it. I doubt that is the case here since you were turned down. But you can't, ethically, act against the interests of your clients. You can, of course, back out of a client relationship if you think the client is abusing it or otherwise acting unethically.
Don't interpret the above to imply that you must do what the client wants you to do if it is unethical. Some relationships are governed by law, but those laws, i think, just try to codify what good ethics suggests. Lawyer-client relationships for example have legal constraints.
But even in the case you have such an obligation, you still could inform the prof that you have some evidence that such cheating is being contemplated. If asked by who, you may need to decline to answer. In particular, naming a student may well be very unfair as the student might just have been expressing frustration out loud, with no intent to break the rules.
If the prof is a bit naive, you can inform him/her about the likely web-sites that enable such things. But it is the professors responsibility to "police" the class.
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No, you shouldn't tell the professor about this student. He hasn't done anything except telling you that some other students cheat.
Instead, you could approach the university and report that you have second-hand knowledge about students cheating by hiring freelancers to do their work. However, don't expect that anyone will be thankful for your service. It's safe to assume that this is no well-kept secret. There are probably plenty of students - not only your potential customer - who know at least as much as you do. If they choose to stay silent, why should you interfere? They are the victims who have to work more, while others obtain undeservedly good marks.
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I would probably forward the email on to the professor and let him make the judgement call. It sounds like this particular student doesn't want to cheat and may do the work on their own but does appear to know that cheating is taking place (potentially on a pretty wide scale) in the class. I think it would be good for the professor to know this. If the professor applies a stricter measure of analysis to all projects to detect cheating, it is still fair to those who didn't cheat. If you really don't think the student should be mentioned explicitly, it may be appropriate to anonymize the email, but I don't really think that is necessary.
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In dubio pro reo. Evaluations of projects is already a highly subjective process. If you tell someone "Please evaluate this project, it is very likely the author cheated" they will probably give a worse grade than if simply told to evaluate the exact same project. What if the student then didn't cheat?
If your institution has no way of properly assessing a candidate, i.e., one could "buy" a degree by having external services do the work, then this is an institutional problem and you won't fix it by suggesting to a professor that one of their students may cheat.
Lastly, think about the effects your behavior has on the institutional climate. Would you like to study in an environment in which people tell professors "Arnold may be cheating, I watched him visit that freelancing website"?
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There is a huge difference between “Check this particular project; the author may have cheated.” and “Check out this freelancing site; you may have a systemic cheating problem.”
– JeffE
2 days ago
Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat.
– eykanal♦
yesterday
add a comment |
In dubio pro reo. Evaluations of projects is already a highly subjective process. If you tell someone "Please evaluate this project, it is very likely the author cheated" they will probably give a worse grade than if simply told to evaluate the exact same project. What if the student then didn't cheat?
If your institution has no way of properly assessing a candidate, i.e., one could "buy" a degree by having external services do the work, then this is an institutional problem and you won't fix it by suggesting to a professor that one of their students may cheat.
Lastly, think about the effects your behavior has on the institutional climate. Would you like to study in an environment in which people tell professors "Arnold may be cheating, I watched him visit that freelancing website"?
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There is a huge difference between “Check this particular project; the author may have cheated.” and “Check out this freelancing site; you may have a systemic cheating problem.”
– JeffE
2 days ago
Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat.
– eykanal♦
yesterday
add a comment |
In dubio pro reo. Evaluations of projects is already a highly subjective process. If you tell someone "Please evaluate this project, it is very likely the author cheated" they will probably give a worse grade than if simply told to evaluate the exact same project. What if the student then didn't cheat?
If your institution has no way of properly assessing a candidate, i.e., one could "buy" a degree by having external services do the work, then this is an institutional problem and you won't fix it by suggesting to a professor that one of their students may cheat.
Lastly, think about the effects your behavior has on the institutional climate. Would you like to study in an environment in which people tell professors "Arnold may be cheating, I watched him visit that freelancing website"?
In dubio pro reo. Evaluations of projects is already a highly subjective process. If you tell someone "Please evaluate this project, it is very likely the author cheated" they will probably give a worse grade than if simply told to evaluate the exact same project. What if the student then didn't cheat?
If your institution has no way of properly assessing a candidate, i.e., one could "buy" a degree by having external services do the work, then this is an institutional problem and you won't fix it by suggesting to a professor that one of their students may cheat.
Lastly, think about the effects your behavior has on the institutional climate. Would you like to study in an environment in which people tell professors "Arnold may be cheating, I watched him visit that freelancing website"?
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There is a huge difference between “Check this particular project; the author may have cheated.” and “Check out this freelancing site; you may have a systemic cheating problem.”
– JeffE
2 days ago
Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat.
– eykanal♦
yesterday
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There is a huge difference between “Check this particular project; the author may have cheated.” and “Check out this freelancing site; you may have a systemic cheating problem.”
– JeffE
2 days ago
Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat.
– eykanal♦
yesterday
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There is a huge difference between “Check this particular project; the author may have cheated.” and “Check out this freelancing site; you may have a systemic cheating problem.”
– JeffE
2 days ago
There is a huge difference between “Check this particular project; the author may have cheated.” and “Check out this freelancing site; you may have a systemic cheating problem.”
– JeffE
2 days ago
Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat.
– eykanal♦
yesterday
Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat.
– eykanal♦
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[The student] remarked (in writing) that they might as well just buy solutions to their projects on a particular freelancing website for that price, as their friends do.
That does not sound to me like "admitting" that they "would" cheat. If I said to a prospective financial advisor, "your rates are so high I may as well just declare bankruptcy now", that does not mean that I am going to declare bankruptcy, it is merely a way to express that the advisor's services do not seem cost-effective.
Given this, I would do nothing -- you offered legitimate tutoring services and the student declined your offer. You have no compelling reason to suspect that the student will actually cheat.
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I agree with this analysis of the student's (lack of) guilt. However, the last four words of the quote outright say they have knowledge of other students cheating.
– Ben Voigt
2 days ago
12
It's hard to know whether the student was making an actual claim ("I've seen others cheat") or just demonstrating superiority bias (it's easy to assume "lots of people" are cheating and that we're one of the few honest ones). Even in the former case, it is very difficult to prosecute such an indirect offense. I think OP should do nothing -- at most, they could tell the professor to watch for cheating generally, but that's not terribly helpful.
– cag51
2 days ago
13
...After all, this may all be just a naive attempt to drop the price.
– Zeus
2 days ago
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[The student] remarked (in writing) that they might as well just buy solutions to their projects on a particular freelancing website for that price, as their friends do.
That does not sound to me like "admitting" that they "would" cheat. If I said to a prospective financial advisor, "your rates are so high I may as well just declare bankruptcy now", that does not mean that I am going to declare bankruptcy, it is merely a way to express that the advisor's services do not seem cost-effective.
Given this, I would do nothing -- you offered legitimate tutoring services and the student declined your offer. You have no compelling reason to suspect that the student will actually cheat.
12
I agree with this analysis of the student's (lack of) guilt. However, the last four words of the quote outright say they have knowledge of other students cheating.
– Ben Voigt
2 days ago
12
It's hard to know whether the student was making an actual claim ("I've seen others cheat") or just demonstrating superiority bias (it's easy to assume "lots of people" are cheating and that we're one of the few honest ones). Even in the former case, it is very difficult to prosecute such an indirect offense. I think OP should do nothing -- at most, they could tell the professor to watch for cheating generally, but that's not terribly helpful.
– cag51
2 days ago
13
...After all, this may all be just a naive attempt to drop the price.
– Zeus
2 days ago
add a comment |
[The student] remarked (in writing) that they might as well just buy solutions to their projects on a particular freelancing website for that price, as their friends do.
That does not sound to me like "admitting" that they "would" cheat. If I said to a prospective financial advisor, "your rates are so high I may as well just declare bankruptcy now", that does not mean that I am going to declare bankruptcy, it is merely a way to express that the advisor's services do not seem cost-effective.
Given this, I would do nothing -- you offered legitimate tutoring services and the student declined your offer. You have no compelling reason to suspect that the student will actually cheat.
[The student] remarked (in writing) that they might as well just buy solutions to their projects on a particular freelancing website for that price, as their friends do.
That does not sound to me like "admitting" that they "would" cheat. If I said to a prospective financial advisor, "your rates are so high I may as well just declare bankruptcy now", that does not mean that I am going to declare bankruptcy, it is merely a way to express that the advisor's services do not seem cost-effective.
Given this, I would do nothing -- you offered legitimate tutoring services and the student declined your offer. You have no compelling reason to suspect that the student will actually cheat.
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I agree with this analysis of the student's (lack of) guilt. However, the last four words of the quote outright say they have knowledge of other students cheating.
– Ben Voigt
2 days ago
12
It's hard to know whether the student was making an actual claim ("I've seen others cheat") or just demonstrating superiority bias (it's easy to assume "lots of people" are cheating and that we're one of the few honest ones). Even in the former case, it is very difficult to prosecute such an indirect offense. I think OP should do nothing -- at most, they could tell the professor to watch for cheating generally, but that's not terribly helpful.
– cag51
2 days ago
13
...After all, this may all be just a naive attempt to drop the price.
– Zeus
2 days ago
add a comment |
12
I agree with this analysis of the student's (lack of) guilt. However, the last four words of the quote outright say they have knowledge of other students cheating.
– Ben Voigt
2 days ago
12
It's hard to know whether the student was making an actual claim ("I've seen others cheat") or just demonstrating superiority bias (it's easy to assume "lots of people" are cheating and that we're one of the few honest ones). Even in the former case, it is very difficult to prosecute such an indirect offense. I think OP should do nothing -- at most, they could tell the professor to watch for cheating generally, but that's not terribly helpful.
– cag51
2 days ago
13
...After all, this may all be just a naive attempt to drop the price.
– Zeus
2 days ago
12
12
I agree with this analysis of the student's (lack of) guilt. However, the last four words of the quote outright say they have knowledge of other students cheating.
– Ben Voigt
2 days ago
I agree with this analysis of the student's (lack of) guilt. However, the last four words of the quote outright say they have knowledge of other students cheating.
– Ben Voigt
2 days ago
12
12
It's hard to know whether the student was making an actual claim ("I've seen others cheat") or just demonstrating superiority bias (it's easy to assume "lots of people" are cheating and that we're one of the few honest ones). Even in the former case, it is very difficult to prosecute such an indirect offense. I think OP should do nothing -- at most, they could tell the professor to watch for cheating generally, but that's not terribly helpful.
– cag51
2 days ago
It's hard to know whether the student was making an actual claim ("I've seen others cheat") or just demonstrating superiority bias (it's easy to assume "lots of people" are cheating and that we're one of the few honest ones). Even in the former case, it is very difficult to prosecute such an indirect offense. I think OP should do nothing -- at most, they could tell the professor to watch for cheating generally, but that's not terribly helpful.
– cag51
2 days ago
13
13
...After all, this may all be just a naive attempt to drop the price.
– Zeus
2 days ago
...After all, this may all be just a naive attempt to drop the price.
– Zeus
2 days ago
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You need to find and read your University's honor policy.
Assuming that:
- It makes cheating an offense
- It requires reporting violations of the policy
then it puts a reporting burden on the student who knows of cheating to report it, and either (a) they did report it (to you), which you need to relay or (b) their failure to report it is a violation which you know about, making you responsible to report that. Yuck!
As a graduate student, the best thing to do is to just kick this up the chain. Do not tell the professor that the student you met with is cheating, or tried to cheat, or is likely to cheat. Stick to the facts that they told you cheating was going on but you don't know the details.
The professor has a lot more latitude to stop the process at that point, perhaps by making a point during the next class to inform students that cheating has not gone unnoticed and needs to stop immediately. You can even make a suggestion to not drag the student in for questioning. The professor has (probably) the authority to make that decision; you do not.
Note that while you may feel that reporting is not ethically required, the correct way to fight back against such a policy is to tell your school you think (2) is unjust, not to go around disregarding it.
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You need to find and read your University's honor policy.
Assuming that:
- It makes cheating an offense
- It requires reporting violations of the policy
then it puts a reporting burden on the student who knows of cheating to report it, and either (a) they did report it (to you), which you need to relay or (b) their failure to report it is a violation which you know about, making you responsible to report that. Yuck!
As a graduate student, the best thing to do is to just kick this up the chain. Do not tell the professor that the student you met with is cheating, or tried to cheat, or is likely to cheat. Stick to the facts that they told you cheating was going on but you don't know the details.
The professor has a lot more latitude to stop the process at that point, perhaps by making a point during the next class to inform students that cheating has not gone unnoticed and needs to stop immediately. You can even make a suggestion to not drag the student in for questioning. The professor has (probably) the authority to make that decision; you do not.
Note that while you may feel that reporting is not ethically required, the correct way to fight back against such a policy is to tell your school you think (2) is unjust, not to go around disregarding it.
add a comment |
You need to find and read your University's honor policy.
Assuming that:
- It makes cheating an offense
- It requires reporting violations of the policy
then it puts a reporting burden on the student who knows of cheating to report it, and either (a) they did report it (to you), which you need to relay or (b) their failure to report it is a violation which you know about, making you responsible to report that. Yuck!
As a graduate student, the best thing to do is to just kick this up the chain. Do not tell the professor that the student you met with is cheating, or tried to cheat, or is likely to cheat. Stick to the facts that they told you cheating was going on but you don't know the details.
The professor has a lot more latitude to stop the process at that point, perhaps by making a point during the next class to inform students that cheating has not gone unnoticed and needs to stop immediately. You can even make a suggestion to not drag the student in for questioning. The professor has (probably) the authority to make that decision; you do not.
Note that while you may feel that reporting is not ethically required, the correct way to fight back against such a policy is to tell your school you think (2) is unjust, not to go around disregarding it.
You need to find and read your University's honor policy.
Assuming that:
- It makes cheating an offense
- It requires reporting violations of the policy
then it puts a reporting burden on the student who knows of cheating to report it, and either (a) they did report it (to you), which you need to relay or (b) their failure to report it is a violation which you know about, making you responsible to report that. Yuck!
As a graduate student, the best thing to do is to just kick this up the chain. Do not tell the professor that the student you met with is cheating, or tried to cheat, or is likely to cheat. Stick to the facts that they told you cheating was going on but you don't know the details.
The professor has a lot more latitude to stop the process at that point, perhaps by making a point during the next class to inform students that cheating has not gone unnoticed and needs to stop immediately. You can even make a suggestion to not drag the student in for questioning. The professor has (probably) the authority to make that decision; you do not.
Note that while you may feel that reporting is not ethically required, the correct way to fight back against such a policy is to tell your school you think (2) is unjust, not to go around disregarding it.
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You're actually bringing up two separate possible things to do:
- Telling on the specific student, and
- Discussing the general situation of students buying intended project outputs online.
I suggest you pursue the second action with the Professor, without incriminating the person who gave you the tip (i.e. without the first item).
As for what to do about this problem - that's a matter for another question.
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You're actually bringing up two separate possible things to do:
- Telling on the specific student, and
- Discussing the general situation of students buying intended project outputs online.
I suggest you pursue the second action with the Professor, without incriminating the person who gave you the tip (i.e. without the first item).
As for what to do about this problem - that's a matter for another question.
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You're actually bringing up two separate possible things to do:
- Telling on the specific student, and
- Discussing the general situation of students buying intended project outputs online.
I suggest you pursue the second action with the Professor, without incriminating the person who gave you the tip (i.e. without the first item).
As for what to do about this problem - that's a matter for another question.
You're actually bringing up two separate possible things to do:
- Telling on the specific student, and
- Discussing the general situation of students buying intended project outputs online.
I suggest you pursue the second action with the Professor, without incriminating the person who gave you the tip (i.e. without the first item).
As for what to do about this problem - that's a matter for another question.
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I think it's clear the students motivation for this comment was to stress you are charging to much. I think he would be well within reason to be upset by you earmarking him for cheating.
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I think it's clear the students motivation for this comment was to stress you are charging to much. I think he would be well within reason to be upset by you earmarking him for cheating.
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I think it's clear the students motivation for this comment was to stress you are charging to much. I think he would be well within reason to be upset by you earmarking him for cheating.
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I think it's clear the students motivation for this comment was to stress you are charging to much. I think he would be well within reason to be upset by you earmarking him for cheating.
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First, I'll guess that the prof already recognizes the possibility.
Second, if you have a contractual obligation to the student you need to honor it. I doubt that is the case here since you were turned down. But you can't, ethically, act against the interests of your clients. You can, of course, back out of a client relationship if you think the client is abusing it or otherwise acting unethically.
Don't interpret the above to imply that you must do what the client wants you to do if it is unethical. Some relationships are governed by law, but those laws, i think, just try to codify what good ethics suggests. Lawyer-client relationships for example have legal constraints.
But even in the case you have such an obligation, you still could inform the prof that you have some evidence that such cheating is being contemplated. If asked by who, you may need to decline to answer. In particular, naming a student may well be very unfair as the student might just have been expressing frustration out loud, with no intent to break the rules.
If the prof is a bit naive, you can inform him/her about the likely web-sites that enable such things. But it is the professors responsibility to "police" the class.
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First, I'll guess that the prof already recognizes the possibility.
Second, if you have a contractual obligation to the student you need to honor it. I doubt that is the case here since you were turned down. But you can't, ethically, act against the interests of your clients. You can, of course, back out of a client relationship if you think the client is abusing it or otherwise acting unethically.
Don't interpret the above to imply that you must do what the client wants you to do if it is unethical. Some relationships are governed by law, but those laws, i think, just try to codify what good ethics suggests. Lawyer-client relationships for example have legal constraints.
But even in the case you have such an obligation, you still could inform the prof that you have some evidence that such cheating is being contemplated. If asked by who, you may need to decline to answer. In particular, naming a student may well be very unfair as the student might just have been expressing frustration out loud, with no intent to break the rules.
If the prof is a bit naive, you can inform him/her about the likely web-sites that enable such things. But it is the professors responsibility to "police" the class.
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First, I'll guess that the prof already recognizes the possibility.
Second, if you have a contractual obligation to the student you need to honor it. I doubt that is the case here since you were turned down. But you can't, ethically, act against the interests of your clients. You can, of course, back out of a client relationship if you think the client is abusing it or otherwise acting unethically.
Don't interpret the above to imply that you must do what the client wants you to do if it is unethical. Some relationships are governed by law, but those laws, i think, just try to codify what good ethics suggests. Lawyer-client relationships for example have legal constraints.
But even in the case you have such an obligation, you still could inform the prof that you have some evidence that such cheating is being contemplated. If asked by who, you may need to decline to answer. In particular, naming a student may well be very unfair as the student might just have been expressing frustration out loud, with no intent to break the rules.
If the prof is a bit naive, you can inform him/her about the likely web-sites that enable such things. But it is the professors responsibility to "police" the class.
First, I'll guess that the prof already recognizes the possibility.
Second, if you have a contractual obligation to the student you need to honor it. I doubt that is the case here since you were turned down. But you can't, ethically, act against the interests of your clients. You can, of course, back out of a client relationship if you think the client is abusing it or otherwise acting unethically.
Don't interpret the above to imply that you must do what the client wants you to do if it is unethical. Some relationships are governed by law, but those laws, i think, just try to codify what good ethics suggests. Lawyer-client relationships for example have legal constraints.
But even in the case you have such an obligation, you still could inform the prof that you have some evidence that such cheating is being contemplated. If asked by who, you may need to decline to answer. In particular, naming a student may well be very unfair as the student might just have been expressing frustration out loud, with no intent to break the rules.
If the prof is a bit naive, you can inform him/her about the likely web-sites that enable such things. But it is the professors responsibility to "police" the class.
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No, you shouldn't tell the professor about this student. He hasn't done anything except telling you that some other students cheat.
Instead, you could approach the university and report that you have second-hand knowledge about students cheating by hiring freelancers to do their work. However, don't expect that anyone will be thankful for your service. It's safe to assume that this is no well-kept secret. There are probably plenty of students - not only your potential customer - who know at least as much as you do. If they choose to stay silent, why should you interfere? They are the victims who have to work more, while others obtain undeservedly good marks.
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No, you shouldn't tell the professor about this student. He hasn't done anything except telling you that some other students cheat.
Instead, you could approach the university and report that you have second-hand knowledge about students cheating by hiring freelancers to do their work. However, don't expect that anyone will be thankful for your service. It's safe to assume that this is no well-kept secret. There are probably plenty of students - not only your potential customer - who know at least as much as you do. If they choose to stay silent, why should you interfere? They are the victims who have to work more, while others obtain undeservedly good marks.
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No, you shouldn't tell the professor about this student. He hasn't done anything except telling you that some other students cheat.
Instead, you could approach the university and report that you have second-hand knowledge about students cheating by hiring freelancers to do their work. However, don't expect that anyone will be thankful for your service. It's safe to assume that this is no well-kept secret. There are probably plenty of students - not only your potential customer - who know at least as much as you do. If they choose to stay silent, why should you interfere? They are the victims who have to work more, while others obtain undeservedly good marks.
No, you shouldn't tell the professor about this student. He hasn't done anything except telling you that some other students cheat.
Instead, you could approach the university and report that you have second-hand knowledge about students cheating by hiring freelancers to do their work. However, don't expect that anyone will be thankful for your service. It's safe to assume that this is no well-kept secret. There are probably plenty of students - not only your potential customer - who know at least as much as you do. If they choose to stay silent, why should you interfere? They are the victims who have to work more, while others obtain undeservedly good marks.
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I would probably forward the email on to the professor and let him make the judgement call. It sounds like this particular student doesn't want to cheat and may do the work on their own but does appear to know that cheating is taking place (potentially on a pretty wide scale) in the class. I think it would be good for the professor to know this. If the professor applies a stricter measure of analysis to all projects to detect cheating, it is still fair to those who didn't cheat. If you really don't think the student should be mentioned explicitly, it may be appropriate to anonymize the email, but I don't really think that is necessary.
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I would probably forward the email on to the professor and let him make the judgement call. It sounds like this particular student doesn't want to cheat and may do the work on their own but does appear to know that cheating is taking place (potentially on a pretty wide scale) in the class. I think it would be good for the professor to know this. If the professor applies a stricter measure of analysis to all projects to detect cheating, it is still fair to those who didn't cheat. If you really don't think the student should be mentioned explicitly, it may be appropriate to anonymize the email, but I don't really think that is necessary.
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I would probably forward the email on to the professor and let him make the judgement call. It sounds like this particular student doesn't want to cheat and may do the work on their own but does appear to know that cheating is taking place (potentially on a pretty wide scale) in the class. I think it would be good for the professor to know this. If the professor applies a stricter measure of analysis to all projects to detect cheating, it is still fair to those who didn't cheat. If you really don't think the student should be mentioned explicitly, it may be appropriate to anonymize the email, but I don't really think that is necessary.
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I would probably forward the email on to the professor and let him make the judgement call. It sounds like this particular student doesn't want to cheat and may do the work on their own but does appear to know that cheating is taking place (potentially on a pretty wide scale) in the class. I think it would be good for the professor to know this. If the professor applies a stricter measure of analysis to all projects to detect cheating, it is still fair to those who didn't cheat. If you really don't think the student should be mentioned explicitly, it may be appropriate to anonymize the email, but I don't really think that is necessary.
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Stories like this are one of the reasons I have moved away from projects as assessments - many projects suffer the "two day crash" preparation along with the well-prepared students "helping" the ones doing a late piece of work.
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I don't agree that the student is likely to cheat. If he wants to, he wouldn't have told you. He is complaining that other get faster / better results for cheating. Don't kill the messenger, fix the problem.
– Chris
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-1 for "constitutes strong evidence that they are likely to". What you have is evidence that the student is aware that such services exist and are being used by others, and is aware of what the prices are.
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The title is misleading, making an implication that is not supported by the scenario in the question itself.
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@SolarMike One way to avoid the two-day-crash-project and the hire-someone-to-wrtie-it project is to require incremental deliverables - design documents, working submodules. That models real software development, and you get much better results. English professors do the same by requiring regular drafts for comment and revision.
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