Can someone explain what a key is?
I feel like shouldn't be asking this... ugh.
Every explanation I've encountered left me feeling like a key is the same as a scale. I've been using the word "key" to mean the primary scale the song is in or I'll say a song is in a Major key as long as it is in one of the major modes (accounting on borrowed chords).
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I feel like shouldn't be asking this... ugh.
Every explanation I've encountered left me feeling like a key is the same as a scale. I've been using the word "key" to mean the primary scale the song is in or I'll say a song is in a Major key as long as it is in one of the major modes (accounting on borrowed chords).
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Here is the difference: a key is a tonal neighborhood and a scale is like walking from one of the houses to another one.
– jjmusicnotes
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It sounds like you understand keys perfectly well, to be honest. It's not you that's confused - rather, it's the concept of keys that's a bit of a mess!
– topo morto
6 hours ago
Possible duplicate of Understanding the relationship between keys, scales, and chords
– Todd Wilcox
5 hours ago
Possible duplicate of music.stackexchange.com/questions/38939/…
– Todd Wilcox
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@ToddWilcox I liked the answers from music.stackexchange.com/questions/38939/…
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I feel like shouldn't be asking this... ugh.
Every explanation I've encountered left me feeling like a key is the same as a scale. I've been using the word "key" to mean the primary scale the song is in or I'll say a song is in a Major key as long as it is in one of the major modes (accounting on borrowed chords).
scales key modes
I feel like shouldn't be asking this... ugh.
Every explanation I've encountered left me feeling like a key is the same as a scale. I've been using the word "key" to mean the primary scale the song is in or I'll say a song is in a Major key as long as it is in one of the major modes (accounting on borrowed chords).
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Here is the difference: a key is a tonal neighborhood and a scale is like walking from one of the houses to another one.
– jjmusicnotes
6 hours ago
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It sounds like you understand keys perfectly well, to be honest. It's not you that's confused - rather, it's the concept of keys that's a bit of a mess!
– topo morto
6 hours ago
Possible duplicate of Understanding the relationship between keys, scales, and chords
– Todd Wilcox
5 hours ago
Possible duplicate of music.stackexchange.com/questions/38939/…
– Todd Wilcox
5 hours ago
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@ToddWilcox I liked the answers from music.stackexchange.com/questions/38939/…
– Brandon
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Here is the difference: a key is a tonal neighborhood and a scale is like walking from one of the houses to another one.
– jjmusicnotes
6 hours ago
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It sounds like you understand keys perfectly well, to be honest. It's not you that's confused - rather, it's the concept of keys that's a bit of a mess!
– topo morto
6 hours ago
Possible duplicate of Understanding the relationship between keys, scales, and chords
– Todd Wilcox
5 hours ago
Possible duplicate of music.stackexchange.com/questions/38939/…
– Todd Wilcox
5 hours ago
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@ToddWilcox I liked the answers from music.stackexchange.com/questions/38939/…
– Brandon
5 hours ago
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Here is the difference: a key is a tonal neighborhood and a scale is like walking from one of the houses to another one.
– jjmusicnotes
6 hours ago
Here is the difference: a key is a tonal neighborhood and a scale is like walking from one of the houses to another one.
– jjmusicnotes
6 hours ago
1
1
It sounds like you understand keys perfectly well, to be honest. It's not you that's confused - rather, it's the concept of keys that's a bit of a mess!
– topo morto
6 hours ago
It sounds like you understand keys perfectly well, to be honest. It's not you that's confused - rather, it's the concept of keys that's a bit of a mess!
– topo morto
6 hours ago
Possible duplicate of Understanding the relationship between keys, scales, and chords
– Todd Wilcox
5 hours ago
Possible duplicate of Understanding the relationship between keys, scales, and chords
– Todd Wilcox
5 hours ago
Possible duplicate of music.stackexchange.com/questions/38939/…
– Todd Wilcox
5 hours ago
Possible duplicate of music.stackexchange.com/questions/38939/…
– Todd Wilcox
5 hours ago
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@ToddWilcox I liked the answers from music.stackexchange.com/questions/38939/…
– Brandon
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@ToddWilcox I liked the answers from music.stackexchange.com/questions/38939/…
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They're very related, so it's easy to get confused. A key is defined by two things:
- The "main" note. You'll hear it called the "center of gravity" or "tonal center" or "home" note. It's the note to which a melody wants to resolve. The proper name for this note is the tonic.
- The relationship of the tonic to the other notes. These relationships give a key its "flavor". The two most-often seen are major and minor.
Each key has an associated scale and they share the same name. A scale, however, is a specific, ordered collection of notes which begins and ends with the tonic. It's strict and formal. It exhibits the tonic and the other notes in their formal relationships to one another.
If a piece of music has harmony, you can identify the key by the harmony as well. In this case, there will be a tonic chord, the chord to which the piece resolves. If we keep things simple, we'll see that the tonic chord also shares its name with the key and the associated scale.
When a piece of music is in a particular key, it isn't restricted to the notes of the associated scale. While you can and should expect the notes of the scale to occur more often than those not in the scale, this is an important distinction that may help you understand the difference. Even if a piece of music strays a bit from the notes of the associated scale, it can remain in the same key so long as the piece still resolves to the tonic note/chord.
The technical term for the "flavor" is the mode, incidentally. Ionian is the one most commonly referred to as "major" and I hear about equal numbers of things in Aeolian and Aeolian #7 being "minor."
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Short answer:
Key = scale + tonal center
Tonal center is the home base note that makes you feel that the melody could rest and the song could end.
If you play something that's really in D dorian, then playing a C note shouldn't give you the home base feeling, even though all the notes are from the C major scale. Playing a C note over D dorian stuff should feel like, "we're not home, take a whole step up and then we'll be home". And the C major chord shouldn't feel like a home chord. D minor should.
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And yet can't a scale itself have a home note ? e.g. the D major scale has D as its home note...
– topo morto
6 hours ago
To clarify: you aren't suggesting that D dorian is a key, but rather that D dorian might be applied in the key of D minor, yes?
– David Bowling
4 hours ago
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A key in the Common Practice Period (about 1500-1900) is more than a scale. There are implied harmonies and differences between notes. Short explanation follows.
A scale is simply a bunch of notes arranged in order by pitch (or frequency.) Over the years (at least from ancient Greek times to today) people have abstracted from musical pieces those pitches which seem important in some way then arranged them in order. Gregorian Chant has several scales (called modes) abstracted from the corpus of chants.
A key is quite a bit more. In a key, some notes are special (also true for modes) and certain chords have special meanings. I'll use the major and minor keys for examples (most other musical organizations aren't generally called keys). A major key ( C-major ) consists of a set of 12 notes, (approximately) evenly spaced. Seen of these are termed "diatonic"; naming them for historical reasons as C, D, E, F, G, A, B (in order of pitch from lowest to highest). These are unevenly spaced in the sense that between E and F and between B and the next C (they are used cyclically) there is no note; between each other pair of notes there is another (named "chromatic") notes; these have two names, but I'll mostly use one name (to make it easy to write without re-editing). C, C#, D, Eb, E, F, F#, G, Ab, A, Bb, B (the b lowers the note above an the # raises the note below.) Each note has a separate musical place to are not really exchangeable. The note C is termed the tonic and G the dominant (historical naming again).
In addition to the notes, combinations of notes played simultaneously are important for key structure. The "tonic chord" is C-E-G; in the key of C-Major, this chord is used to end (almost all) music in the key of C (and it is used to begin a large plurality of such pieces.) I'd also like to note that the causality really goes backwards; pieces that end on a C-Major chord and rhythmically and texturally seem to stop there are called being in C. To really be in the key of C, the chord sequence G-B-D (a G-major chord) followed by a C-major chord is used to end the piece (or to at least mark off sections). Other common patterns like F-A-D (a D-minor chord) followed by a G-major then a C-major chord are common. Pieces in C-major do not end on a d-minor chord for example. One can use chromatic chords without leaving the key of C: D-F#-A followed by G-B-D then C-E-G still sounds like C-major. There are lots more a "French Sixth" (historical naming again) chord has two chromatic notes but if treated properly need not leave the key. F-A-D (D-minor chord in first inversion) followed by Ab-C-D-F# (the French Sixth) then G-C-E-G (cadential tonic 64 which has other names) then G-D-D-F (dominant seventh) ending with C-E-G is common. Two important things should be noted here: names don't mean much, only usage; also the "chromatic" notes also belong to the key. Other keys have the same structure but the base note (or bass note or tonic) id different.
Minor keys are a bit more complex. The diatonic notes are C, D, Eb, F, G, Ab, Bb, however the notes Ab and Bb (scale steps 6 and 7) are mutable; they may occur as A or B without being termed chroatic. The tonic is C-Eb-G (C-minor chord) and the dominant is G-B-D (major chord; mutated step 7). The patterns with Ab-Bb or A-Bb or Ab-B or A-B in either order are common, even in the same phrase.
Some (most) texts write three minor scales called Natural, Melodic, and Harmonic minor scales. There are some common uses (I've posted these elsewhere a few times) but none lead away from the key of C-Minor. Jazz theory treats each of these patterns in special way, a bit differently from the classical theory.
So, scales are ordered collections of notes abstracted from musical practice. Key are large-scale melodic and harmonic structures that tend to be used a lot. It's the music, not the labeling or taxonomy.
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You've got some really good answers so far, but I thought I might give some additional perspective...
"Key" is kind of a fuzzy thing. It depends partly on the context. You're not wrong in thinking that key is synonymous with scale, because that's one common usage. In my experience, when someone uses the term "key" they might be talking about any of the following:
The key signature. If a piece has four sharps many people will say it's "in the Key of E", even if it's actually in C# minor or F# Dorian.
The tonic being used. "It's in the key of C# minor" tells you the tonic, but it doesn't tell you what scale you're using.
The actual scale being used. "It' in C# Dorian" tells you that the tonal center is C#, but the key signature is probbly B.
Any of those three are the most common uses. Some uses have a bit of cross-over, as in "Blues in A". That tells you the chords are in A, but the scale is most likely a blues scale - and you'll have lots of naturals on the C, F and G notes.
Saying a piece is in a key doesn't necessarily tie you to a scale - a Concerto in D probably has a fairly lengthy chunk that has G# notes, because the modulations aren't taken into account when you name the key of a piece. In jazz, which often modulates frequently, you may hear people talk about the "key of the moment" - that refers to the tonal center of a specific set of chords within a piece that's in a different key signature. Giant Steps is in B major, but it has a couple measures in G, then a bit in Eb, then back to B, and so on.
And you'll sometimes hear singers say "that's my key" when they really mean "if you play it in that key it's comfortable for my range".
None of those interpretations are wrong, even though what each describes is different. I wouldn't stress to much over an exact definition - just try to get your head around what the other person actually means when they say "key".
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They're very related, so it's easy to get confused. A key is defined by two things:
- The "main" note. You'll hear it called the "center of gravity" or "tonal center" or "home" note. It's the note to which a melody wants to resolve. The proper name for this note is the tonic.
- The relationship of the tonic to the other notes. These relationships give a key its "flavor". The two most-often seen are major and minor.
Each key has an associated scale and they share the same name. A scale, however, is a specific, ordered collection of notes which begins and ends with the tonic. It's strict and formal. It exhibits the tonic and the other notes in their formal relationships to one another.
If a piece of music has harmony, you can identify the key by the harmony as well. In this case, there will be a tonic chord, the chord to which the piece resolves. If we keep things simple, we'll see that the tonic chord also shares its name with the key and the associated scale.
When a piece of music is in a particular key, it isn't restricted to the notes of the associated scale. While you can and should expect the notes of the scale to occur more often than those not in the scale, this is an important distinction that may help you understand the difference. Even if a piece of music strays a bit from the notes of the associated scale, it can remain in the same key so long as the piece still resolves to the tonic note/chord.
The technical term for the "flavor" is the mode, incidentally. Ionian is the one most commonly referred to as "major" and I hear about equal numbers of things in Aeolian and Aeolian #7 being "minor."
– fluffy
1 hour ago
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They're very related, so it's easy to get confused. A key is defined by two things:
- The "main" note. You'll hear it called the "center of gravity" or "tonal center" or "home" note. It's the note to which a melody wants to resolve. The proper name for this note is the tonic.
- The relationship of the tonic to the other notes. These relationships give a key its "flavor". The two most-often seen are major and minor.
Each key has an associated scale and they share the same name. A scale, however, is a specific, ordered collection of notes which begins and ends with the tonic. It's strict and formal. It exhibits the tonic and the other notes in their formal relationships to one another.
If a piece of music has harmony, you can identify the key by the harmony as well. In this case, there will be a tonic chord, the chord to which the piece resolves. If we keep things simple, we'll see that the tonic chord also shares its name with the key and the associated scale.
When a piece of music is in a particular key, it isn't restricted to the notes of the associated scale. While you can and should expect the notes of the scale to occur more often than those not in the scale, this is an important distinction that may help you understand the difference. Even if a piece of music strays a bit from the notes of the associated scale, it can remain in the same key so long as the piece still resolves to the tonic note/chord.
The technical term for the "flavor" is the mode, incidentally. Ionian is the one most commonly referred to as "major" and I hear about equal numbers of things in Aeolian and Aeolian #7 being "minor."
– fluffy
1 hour ago
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They're very related, so it's easy to get confused. A key is defined by two things:
- The "main" note. You'll hear it called the "center of gravity" or "tonal center" or "home" note. It's the note to which a melody wants to resolve. The proper name for this note is the tonic.
- The relationship of the tonic to the other notes. These relationships give a key its "flavor". The two most-often seen are major and minor.
Each key has an associated scale and they share the same name. A scale, however, is a specific, ordered collection of notes which begins and ends with the tonic. It's strict and formal. It exhibits the tonic and the other notes in their formal relationships to one another.
If a piece of music has harmony, you can identify the key by the harmony as well. In this case, there will be a tonic chord, the chord to which the piece resolves. If we keep things simple, we'll see that the tonic chord also shares its name with the key and the associated scale.
When a piece of music is in a particular key, it isn't restricted to the notes of the associated scale. While you can and should expect the notes of the scale to occur more often than those not in the scale, this is an important distinction that may help you understand the difference. Even if a piece of music strays a bit from the notes of the associated scale, it can remain in the same key so long as the piece still resolves to the tonic note/chord.
They're very related, so it's easy to get confused. A key is defined by two things:
- The "main" note. You'll hear it called the "center of gravity" or "tonal center" or "home" note. It's the note to which a melody wants to resolve. The proper name for this note is the tonic.
- The relationship of the tonic to the other notes. These relationships give a key its "flavor". The two most-often seen are major and minor.
Each key has an associated scale and they share the same name. A scale, however, is a specific, ordered collection of notes which begins and ends with the tonic. It's strict and formal. It exhibits the tonic and the other notes in their formal relationships to one another.
If a piece of music has harmony, you can identify the key by the harmony as well. In this case, there will be a tonic chord, the chord to which the piece resolves. If we keep things simple, we'll see that the tonic chord also shares its name with the key and the associated scale.
When a piece of music is in a particular key, it isn't restricted to the notes of the associated scale. While you can and should expect the notes of the scale to occur more often than those not in the scale, this is an important distinction that may help you understand the difference. Even if a piece of music strays a bit from the notes of the associated scale, it can remain in the same key so long as the piece still resolves to the tonic note/chord.
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The technical term for the "flavor" is the mode, incidentally. Ionian is the one most commonly referred to as "major" and I hear about equal numbers of things in Aeolian and Aeolian #7 being "minor."
– fluffy
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The technical term for the "flavor" is the mode, incidentally. Ionian is the one most commonly referred to as "major" and I hear about equal numbers of things in Aeolian and Aeolian #7 being "minor."
– fluffy
1 hour ago
The technical term for the "flavor" is the mode, incidentally. Ionian is the one most commonly referred to as "major" and I hear about equal numbers of things in Aeolian and Aeolian #7 being "minor."
– fluffy
1 hour ago
The technical term for the "flavor" is the mode, incidentally. Ionian is the one most commonly referred to as "major" and I hear about equal numbers of things in Aeolian and Aeolian #7 being "minor."
– fluffy
1 hour ago
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Short answer:
Key = scale + tonal center
Tonal center is the home base note that makes you feel that the melody could rest and the song could end.
If you play something that's really in D dorian, then playing a C note shouldn't give you the home base feeling, even though all the notes are from the C major scale. Playing a C note over D dorian stuff should feel like, "we're not home, take a whole step up and then we'll be home". And the C major chord shouldn't feel like a home chord. D minor should.
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And yet can't a scale itself have a home note ? e.g. the D major scale has D as its home note...
– topo morto
6 hours ago
To clarify: you aren't suggesting that D dorian is a key, but rather that D dorian might be applied in the key of D minor, yes?
– David Bowling
4 hours ago
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Short answer:
Key = scale + tonal center
Tonal center is the home base note that makes you feel that the melody could rest and the song could end.
If you play something that's really in D dorian, then playing a C note shouldn't give you the home base feeling, even though all the notes are from the C major scale. Playing a C note over D dorian stuff should feel like, "we're not home, take a whole step up and then we'll be home". And the C major chord shouldn't feel like a home chord. D minor should.
1
And yet can't a scale itself have a home note ? e.g. the D major scale has D as its home note...
– topo morto
6 hours ago
To clarify: you aren't suggesting that D dorian is a key, but rather that D dorian might be applied in the key of D minor, yes?
– David Bowling
4 hours ago
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Short answer:
Key = scale + tonal center
Tonal center is the home base note that makes you feel that the melody could rest and the song could end.
If you play something that's really in D dorian, then playing a C note shouldn't give you the home base feeling, even though all the notes are from the C major scale. Playing a C note over D dorian stuff should feel like, "we're not home, take a whole step up and then we'll be home". And the C major chord shouldn't feel like a home chord. D minor should.
Short answer:
Key = scale + tonal center
Tonal center is the home base note that makes you feel that the melody could rest and the song could end.
If you play something that's really in D dorian, then playing a C note shouldn't give you the home base feeling, even though all the notes are from the C major scale. Playing a C note over D dorian stuff should feel like, "we're not home, take a whole step up and then we'll be home". And the C major chord shouldn't feel like a home chord. D minor should.
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And yet can't a scale itself have a home note ? e.g. the D major scale has D as its home note...
– topo morto
6 hours ago
To clarify: you aren't suggesting that D dorian is a key, but rather that D dorian might be applied in the key of D minor, yes?
– David Bowling
4 hours ago
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And yet can't a scale itself have a home note ? e.g. the D major scale has D as its home note...
– topo morto
6 hours ago
To clarify: you aren't suggesting that D dorian is a key, but rather that D dorian might be applied in the key of D minor, yes?
– David Bowling
4 hours ago
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And yet can't a scale itself have a home note ? e.g. the D major scale has D as its home note...
– topo morto
6 hours ago
And yet can't a scale itself have a home note ? e.g. the D major scale has D as its home note...
– topo morto
6 hours ago
To clarify: you aren't suggesting that D dorian is a key, but rather that D dorian might be applied in the key of D minor, yes?
– David Bowling
4 hours ago
To clarify: you aren't suggesting that D dorian is a key, but rather that D dorian might be applied in the key of D minor, yes?
– David Bowling
4 hours ago
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A key in the Common Practice Period (about 1500-1900) is more than a scale. There are implied harmonies and differences between notes. Short explanation follows.
A scale is simply a bunch of notes arranged in order by pitch (or frequency.) Over the years (at least from ancient Greek times to today) people have abstracted from musical pieces those pitches which seem important in some way then arranged them in order. Gregorian Chant has several scales (called modes) abstracted from the corpus of chants.
A key is quite a bit more. In a key, some notes are special (also true for modes) and certain chords have special meanings. I'll use the major and minor keys for examples (most other musical organizations aren't generally called keys). A major key ( C-major ) consists of a set of 12 notes, (approximately) evenly spaced. Seen of these are termed "diatonic"; naming them for historical reasons as C, D, E, F, G, A, B (in order of pitch from lowest to highest). These are unevenly spaced in the sense that between E and F and between B and the next C (they are used cyclically) there is no note; between each other pair of notes there is another (named "chromatic") notes; these have two names, but I'll mostly use one name (to make it easy to write without re-editing). C, C#, D, Eb, E, F, F#, G, Ab, A, Bb, B (the b lowers the note above an the # raises the note below.) Each note has a separate musical place to are not really exchangeable. The note C is termed the tonic and G the dominant (historical naming again).
In addition to the notes, combinations of notes played simultaneously are important for key structure. The "tonic chord" is C-E-G; in the key of C-Major, this chord is used to end (almost all) music in the key of C (and it is used to begin a large plurality of such pieces.) I'd also like to note that the causality really goes backwards; pieces that end on a C-Major chord and rhythmically and texturally seem to stop there are called being in C. To really be in the key of C, the chord sequence G-B-D (a G-major chord) followed by a C-major chord is used to end the piece (or to at least mark off sections). Other common patterns like F-A-D (a D-minor chord) followed by a G-major then a C-major chord are common. Pieces in C-major do not end on a d-minor chord for example. One can use chromatic chords without leaving the key of C: D-F#-A followed by G-B-D then C-E-G still sounds like C-major. There are lots more a "French Sixth" (historical naming again) chord has two chromatic notes but if treated properly need not leave the key. F-A-D (D-minor chord in first inversion) followed by Ab-C-D-F# (the French Sixth) then G-C-E-G (cadential tonic 64 which has other names) then G-D-D-F (dominant seventh) ending with C-E-G is common. Two important things should be noted here: names don't mean much, only usage; also the "chromatic" notes also belong to the key. Other keys have the same structure but the base note (or bass note or tonic) id different.
Minor keys are a bit more complex. The diatonic notes are C, D, Eb, F, G, Ab, Bb, however the notes Ab and Bb (scale steps 6 and 7) are mutable; they may occur as A or B without being termed chroatic. The tonic is C-Eb-G (C-minor chord) and the dominant is G-B-D (major chord; mutated step 7). The patterns with Ab-Bb or A-Bb or Ab-B or A-B in either order are common, even in the same phrase.
Some (most) texts write three minor scales called Natural, Melodic, and Harmonic minor scales. There are some common uses (I've posted these elsewhere a few times) but none lead away from the key of C-Minor. Jazz theory treats each of these patterns in special way, a bit differently from the classical theory.
So, scales are ordered collections of notes abstracted from musical practice. Key are large-scale melodic and harmonic structures that tend to be used a lot. It's the music, not the labeling or taxonomy.
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A key in the Common Practice Period (about 1500-1900) is more than a scale. There are implied harmonies and differences between notes. Short explanation follows.
A scale is simply a bunch of notes arranged in order by pitch (or frequency.) Over the years (at least from ancient Greek times to today) people have abstracted from musical pieces those pitches which seem important in some way then arranged them in order. Gregorian Chant has several scales (called modes) abstracted from the corpus of chants.
A key is quite a bit more. In a key, some notes are special (also true for modes) and certain chords have special meanings. I'll use the major and minor keys for examples (most other musical organizations aren't generally called keys). A major key ( C-major ) consists of a set of 12 notes, (approximately) evenly spaced. Seen of these are termed "diatonic"; naming them for historical reasons as C, D, E, F, G, A, B (in order of pitch from lowest to highest). These are unevenly spaced in the sense that between E and F and between B and the next C (they are used cyclically) there is no note; between each other pair of notes there is another (named "chromatic") notes; these have two names, but I'll mostly use one name (to make it easy to write without re-editing). C, C#, D, Eb, E, F, F#, G, Ab, A, Bb, B (the b lowers the note above an the # raises the note below.) Each note has a separate musical place to are not really exchangeable. The note C is termed the tonic and G the dominant (historical naming again).
In addition to the notes, combinations of notes played simultaneously are important for key structure. The "tonic chord" is C-E-G; in the key of C-Major, this chord is used to end (almost all) music in the key of C (and it is used to begin a large plurality of such pieces.) I'd also like to note that the causality really goes backwards; pieces that end on a C-Major chord and rhythmically and texturally seem to stop there are called being in C. To really be in the key of C, the chord sequence G-B-D (a G-major chord) followed by a C-major chord is used to end the piece (or to at least mark off sections). Other common patterns like F-A-D (a D-minor chord) followed by a G-major then a C-major chord are common. Pieces in C-major do not end on a d-minor chord for example. One can use chromatic chords without leaving the key of C: D-F#-A followed by G-B-D then C-E-G still sounds like C-major. There are lots more a "French Sixth" (historical naming again) chord has two chromatic notes but if treated properly need not leave the key. F-A-D (D-minor chord in first inversion) followed by Ab-C-D-F# (the French Sixth) then G-C-E-G (cadential tonic 64 which has other names) then G-D-D-F (dominant seventh) ending with C-E-G is common. Two important things should be noted here: names don't mean much, only usage; also the "chromatic" notes also belong to the key. Other keys have the same structure but the base note (or bass note or tonic) id different.
Minor keys are a bit more complex. The diatonic notes are C, D, Eb, F, G, Ab, Bb, however the notes Ab and Bb (scale steps 6 and 7) are mutable; they may occur as A or B without being termed chroatic. The tonic is C-Eb-G (C-minor chord) and the dominant is G-B-D (major chord; mutated step 7). The patterns with Ab-Bb or A-Bb or Ab-B or A-B in either order are common, even in the same phrase.
Some (most) texts write three minor scales called Natural, Melodic, and Harmonic minor scales. There are some common uses (I've posted these elsewhere a few times) but none lead away from the key of C-Minor. Jazz theory treats each of these patterns in special way, a bit differently from the classical theory.
So, scales are ordered collections of notes abstracted from musical practice. Key are large-scale melodic and harmonic structures that tend to be used a lot. It's the music, not the labeling or taxonomy.
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A key in the Common Practice Period (about 1500-1900) is more than a scale. There are implied harmonies and differences between notes. Short explanation follows.
A scale is simply a bunch of notes arranged in order by pitch (or frequency.) Over the years (at least from ancient Greek times to today) people have abstracted from musical pieces those pitches which seem important in some way then arranged them in order. Gregorian Chant has several scales (called modes) abstracted from the corpus of chants.
A key is quite a bit more. In a key, some notes are special (also true for modes) and certain chords have special meanings. I'll use the major and minor keys for examples (most other musical organizations aren't generally called keys). A major key ( C-major ) consists of a set of 12 notes, (approximately) evenly spaced. Seen of these are termed "diatonic"; naming them for historical reasons as C, D, E, F, G, A, B (in order of pitch from lowest to highest). These are unevenly spaced in the sense that between E and F and between B and the next C (they are used cyclically) there is no note; between each other pair of notes there is another (named "chromatic") notes; these have two names, but I'll mostly use one name (to make it easy to write without re-editing). C, C#, D, Eb, E, F, F#, G, Ab, A, Bb, B (the b lowers the note above an the # raises the note below.) Each note has a separate musical place to are not really exchangeable. The note C is termed the tonic and G the dominant (historical naming again).
In addition to the notes, combinations of notes played simultaneously are important for key structure. The "tonic chord" is C-E-G; in the key of C-Major, this chord is used to end (almost all) music in the key of C (and it is used to begin a large plurality of such pieces.) I'd also like to note that the causality really goes backwards; pieces that end on a C-Major chord and rhythmically and texturally seem to stop there are called being in C. To really be in the key of C, the chord sequence G-B-D (a G-major chord) followed by a C-major chord is used to end the piece (or to at least mark off sections). Other common patterns like F-A-D (a D-minor chord) followed by a G-major then a C-major chord are common. Pieces in C-major do not end on a d-minor chord for example. One can use chromatic chords without leaving the key of C: D-F#-A followed by G-B-D then C-E-G still sounds like C-major. There are lots more a "French Sixth" (historical naming again) chord has two chromatic notes but if treated properly need not leave the key. F-A-D (D-minor chord in first inversion) followed by Ab-C-D-F# (the French Sixth) then G-C-E-G (cadential tonic 64 which has other names) then G-D-D-F (dominant seventh) ending with C-E-G is common. Two important things should be noted here: names don't mean much, only usage; also the "chromatic" notes also belong to the key. Other keys have the same structure but the base note (or bass note or tonic) id different.
Minor keys are a bit more complex. The diatonic notes are C, D, Eb, F, G, Ab, Bb, however the notes Ab and Bb (scale steps 6 and 7) are mutable; they may occur as A or B without being termed chroatic. The tonic is C-Eb-G (C-minor chord) and the dominant is G-B-D (major chord; mutated step 7). The patterns with Ab-Bb or A-Bb or Ab-B or A-B in either order are common, even in the same phrase.
Some (most) texts write three minor scales called Natural, Melodic, and Harmonic minor scales. There are some common uses (I've posted these elsewhere a few times) but none lead away from the key of C-Minor. Jazz theory treats each of these patterns in special way, a bit differently from the classical theory.
So, scales are ordered collections of notes abstracted from musical practice. Key are large-scale melodic and harmonic structures that tend to be used a lot. It's the music, not the labeling or taxonomy.
A key in the Common Practice Period (about 1500-1900) is more than a scale. There are implied harmonies and differences between notes. Short explanation follows.
A scale is simply a bunch of notes arranged in order by pitch (or frequency.) Over the years (at least from ancient Greek times to today) people have abstracted from musical pieces those pitches which seem important in some way then arranged them in order. Gregorian Chant has several scales (called modes) abstracted from the corpus of chants.
A key is quite a bit more. In a key, some notes are special (also true for modes) and certain chords have special meanings. I'll use the major and minor keys for examples (most other musical organizations aren't generally called keys). A major key ( C-major ) consists of a set of 12 notes, (approximately) evenly spaced. Seen of these are termed "diatonic"; naming them for historical reasons as C, D, E, F, G, A, B (in order of pitch from lowest to highest). These are unevenly spaced in the sense that between E and F and between B and the next C (they are used cyclically) there is no note; between each other pair of notes there is another (named "chromatic") notes; these have two names, but I'll mostly use one name (to make it easy to write without re-editing). C, C#, D, Eb, E, F, F#, G, Ab, A, Bb, B (the b lowers the note above an the # raises the note below.) Each note has a separate musical place to are not really exchangeable. The note C is termed the tonic and G the dominant (historical naming again).
In addition to the notes, combinations of notes played simultaneously are important for key structure. The "tonic chord" is C-E-G; in the key of C-Major, this chord is used to end (almost all) music in the key of C (and it is used to begin a large plurality of such pieces.) I'd also like to note that the causality really goes backwards; pieces that end on a C-Major chord and rhythmically and texturally seem to stop there are called being in C. To really be in the key of C, the chord sequence G-B-D (a G-major chord) followed by a C-major chord is used to end the piece (or to at least mark off sections). Other common patterns like F-A-D (a D-minor chord) followed by a G-major then a C-major chord are common. Pieces in C-major do not end on a d-minor chord for example. One can use chromatic chords without leaving the key of C: D-F#-A followed by G-B-D then C-E-G still sounds like C-major. There are lots more a "French Sixth" (historical naming again) chord has two chromatic notes but if treated properly need not leave the key. F-A-D (D-minor chord in first inversion) followed by Ab-C-D-F# (the French Sixth) then G-C-E-G (cadential tonic 64 which has other names) then G-D-D-F (dominant seventh) ending with C-E-G is common. Two important things should be noted here: names don't mean much, only usage; also the "chromatic" notes also belong to the key. Other keys have the same structure but the base note (or bass note or tonic) id different.
Minor keys are a bit more complex. The diatonic notes are C, D, Eb, F, G, Ab, Bb, however the notes Ab and Bb (scale steps 6 and 7) are mutable; they may occur as A or B without being termed chroatic. The tonic is C-Eb-G (C-minor chord) and the dominant is G-B-D (major chord; mutated step 7). The patterns with Ab-Bb or A-Bb or Ab-B or A-B in either order are common, even in the same phrase.
Some (most) texts write three minor scales called Natural, Melodic, and Harmonic minor scales. There are some common uses (I've posted these elsewhere a few times) but none lead away from the key of C-Minor. Jazz theory treats each of these patterns in special way, a bit differently from the classical theory.
So, scales are ordered collections of notes abstracted from musical practice. Key are large-scale melodic and harmonic structures that tend to be used a lot. It's the music, not the labeling or taxonomy.
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You've got some really good answers so far, but I thought I might give some additional perspective...
"Key" is kind of a fuzzy thing. It depends partly on the context. You're not wrong in thinking that key is synonymous with scale, because that's one common usage. In my experience, when someone uses the term "key" they might be talking about any of the following:
The key signature. If a piece has four sharps many people will say it's "in the Key of E", even if it's actually in C# minor or F# Dorian.
The tonic being used. "It's in the key of C# minor" tells you the tonic, but it doesn't tell you what scale you're using.
The actual scale being used. "It' in C# Dorian" tells you that the tonal center is C#, but the key signature is probbly B.
Any of those three are the most common uses. Some uses have a bit of cross-over, as in "Blues in A". That tells you the chords are in A, but the scale is most likely a blues scale - and you'll have lots of naturals on the C, F and G notes.
Saying a piece is in a key doesn't necessarily tie you to a scale - a Concerto in D probably has a fairly lengthy chunk that has G# notes, because the modulations aren't taken into account when you name the key of a piece. In jazz, which often modulates frequently, you may hear people talk about the "key of the moment" - that refers to the tonal center of a specific set of chords within a piece that's in a different key signature. Giant Steps is in B major, but it has a couple measures in G, then a bit in Eb, then back to B, and so on.
And you'll sometimes hear singers say "that's my key" when they really mean "if you play it in that key it's comfortable for my range".
None of those interpretations are wrong, even though what each describes is different. I wouldn't stress to much over an exact definition - just try to get your head around what the other person actually means when they say "key".
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You've got some really good answers so far, but I thought I might give some additional perspective...
"Key" is kind of a fuzzy thing. It depends partly on the context. You're not wrong in thinking that key is synonymous with scale, because that's one common usage. In my experience, when someone uses the term "key" they might be talking about any of the following:
The key signature. If a piece has four sharps many people will say it's "in the Key of E", even if it's actually in C# minor or F# Dorian.
The tonic being used. "It's in the key of C# minor" tells you the tonic, but it doesn't tell you what scale you're using.
The actual scale being used. "It' in C# Dorian" tells you that the tonal center is C#, but the key signature is probbly B.
Any of those three are the most common uses. Some uses have a bit of cross-over, as in "Blues in A". That tells you the chords are in A, but the scale is most likely a blues scale - and you'll have lots of naturals on the C, F and G notes.
Saying a piece is in a key doesn't necessarily tie you to a scale - a Concerto in D probably has a fairly lengthy chunk that has G# notes, because the modulations aren't taken into account when you name the key of a piece. In jazz, which often modulates frequently, you may hear people talk about the "key of the moment" - that refers to the tonal center of a specific set of chords within a piece that's in a different key signature. Giant Steps is in B major, but it has a couple measures in G, then a bit in Eb, then back to B, and so on.
And you'll sometimes hear singers say "that's my key" when they really mean "if you play it in that key it's comfortable for my range".
None of those interpretations are wrong, even though what each describes is different. I wouldn't stress to much over an exact definition - just try to get your head around what the other person actually means when they say "key".
add a comment |
You've got some really good answers so far, but I thought I might give some additional perspective...
"Key" is kind of a fuzzy thing. It depends partly on the context. You're not wrong in thinking that key is synonymous with scale, because that's one common usage. In my experience, when someone uses the term "key" they might be talking about any of the following:
The key signature. If a piece has four sharps many people will say it's "in the Key of E", even if it's actually in C# minor or F# Dorian.
The tonic being used. "It's in the key of C# minor" tells you the tonic, but it doesn't tell you what scale you're using.
The actual scale being used. "It' in C# Dorian" tells you that the tonal center is C#, but the key signature is probbly B.
Any of those three are the most common uses. Some uses have a bit of cross-over, as in "Blues in A". That tells you the chords are in A, but the scale is most likely a blues scale - and you'll have lots of naturals on the C, F and G notes.
Saying a piece is in a key doesn't necessarily tie you to a scale - a Concerto in D probably has a fairly lengthy chunk that has G# notes, because the modulations aren't taken into account when you name the key of a piece. In jazz, which often modulates frequently, you may hear people talk about the "key of the moment" - that refers to the tonal center of a specific set of chords within a piece that's in a different key signature. Giant Steps is in B major, but it has a couple measures in G, then a bit in Eb, then back to B, and so on.
And you'll sometimes hear singers say "that's my key" when they really mean "if you play it in that key it's comfortable for my range".
None of those interpretations are wrong, even though what each describes is different. I wouldn't stress to much over an exact definition - just try to get your head around what the other person actually means when they say "key".
You've got some really good answers so far, but I thought I might give some additional perspective...
"Key" is kind of a fuzzy thing. It depends partly on the context. You're not wrong in thinking that key is synonymous with scale, because that's one common usage. In my experience, when someone uses the term "key" they might be talking about any of the following:
The key signature. If a piece has four sharps many people will say it's "in the Key of E", even if it's actually in C# minor or F# Dorian.
The tonic being used. "It's in the key of C# minor" tells you the tonic, but it doesn't tell you what scale you're using.
The actual scale being used. "It' in C# Dorian" tells you that the tonal center is C#, but the key signature is probbly B.
Any of those three are the most common uses. Some uses have a bit of cross-over, as in "Blues in A". That tells you the chords are in A, but the scale is most likely a blues scale - and you'll have lots of naturals on the C, F and G notes.
Saying a piece is in a key doesn't necessarily tie you to a scale - a Concerto in D probably has a fairly lengthy chunk that has G# notes, because the modulations aren't taken into account when you name the key of a piece. In jazz, which often modulates frequently, you may hear people talk about the "key of the moment" - that refers to the tonal center of a specific set of chords within a piece that's in a different key signature. Giant Steps is in B major, but it has a couple measures in G, then a bit in Eb, then back to B, and so on.
And you'll sometimes hear singers say "that's my key" when they really mean "if you play it in that key it's comfortable for my range".
None of those interpretations are wrong, even though what each describes is different. I wouldn't stress to much over an exact definition - just try to get your head around what the other person actually means when they say "key".
answered 3 hours ago
Tom SerbTom Serb
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Here is the difference: a key is a tonal neighborhood and a scale is like walking from one of the houses to another one.
– jjmusicnotes
6 hours ago
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It sounds like you understand keys perfectly well, to be honest. It's not you that's confused - rather, it's the concept of keys that's a bit of a mess!
– topo morto
6 hours ago
Possible duplicate of Understanding the relationship between keys, scales, and chords
– Todd Wilcox
5 hours ago
Possible duplicate of music.stackexchange.com/questions/38939/…
– Todd Wilcox
5 hours ago
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@ToddWilcox I liked the answers from music.stackexchange.com/questions/38939/…
– Brandon
5 hours ago