Tar to tape : block number and blocking factor












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The 64 kiB blocksize is to maximize throughput and avoid "shoe shining".



mt -f /dev/nst0 setblk 64k

tar -c -v -R -b128 -f /dev/nst0 test_dir


returns:



bloc 0 : test_dir/
bloc 1 : test_dir/file_1.bin
bloc 204802 : test_dir/file_2.bin
bloc 2252803 : test_dir/file_3.bin
bloc 4300804 : test_dir/file_4.bin
...


But the block number in the tar output corresponds in 512 B blocksize, despite blocking factor giving 64 kiB blocksize (128 * 512).



And then, regardless of blocksize of the mt command (variable, 64 kiB).



The goal would to random access in the Tar-tape. Convert 64 kiB blocksize to 512 implies to trim.



Is there a way to matching records size of tar and mt ?










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  • Excerpts of man pages of st command (more detailed as mt) : italic_Many programs (e.g., tar(1)) allow the user to specify the blocking factor on the command line. Note that this determines the physical block size on tape only in variable-block mode._italic

    – idrevettenome
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  • But as I mentioned above, I tried with mt -f /dev/nst0 setblk 0. Viewed on forum : italic_tar/dd/whatever blocksize != (SCSI) tape device driver block _italic ([linuxmisc.com/14-unix-administering/b290ded6513059e2.htm])

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The 64 kiB blocksize is to maximize throughput and avoid "shoe shining".



mt -f /dev/nst0 setblk 64k

tar -c -v -R -b128 -f /dev/nst0 test_dir


returns:



bloc 0 : test_dir/
bloc 1 : test_dir/file_1.bin
bloc 204802 : test_dir/file_2.bin
bloc 2252803 : test_dir/file_3.bin
bloc 4300804 : test_dir/file_4.bin
...


But the block number in the tar output corresponds in 512 B blocksize, despite blocking factor giving 64 kiB blocksize (128 * 512).



And then, regardless of blocksize of the mt command (variable, 64 kiB).



The goal would to random access in the Tar-tape. Convert 64 kiB blocksize to 512 implies to trim.



Is there a way to matching records size of tar and mt ?










share|improve this question

























  • Excerpts of man pages of st command (more detailed as mt) : italic_Many programs (e.g., tar(1)) allow the user to specify the blocking factor on the command line. Note that this determines the physical block size on tape only in variable-block mode._italic

    – idrevettenome
    Sep 25 '15 at 13:56













  • But as I mentioned above, I tried with mt -f /dev/nst0 setblk 0. Viewed on forum : italic_tar/dd/whatever blocksize != (SCSI) tape device driver block _italic ([linuxmisc.com/14-unix-administering/b290ded6513059e2.htm])

    – idrevettenome
    Sep 25 '15 at 14:05














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The 64 kiB blocksize is to maximize throughput and avoid "shoe shining".



mt -f /dev/nst0 setblk 64k

tar -c -v -R -b128 -f /dev/nst0 test_dir


returns:



bloc 0 : test_dir/
bloc 1 : test_dir/file_1.bin
bloc 204802 : test_dir/file_2.bin
bloc 2252803 : test_dir/file_3.bin
bloc 4300804 : test_dir/file_4.bin
...


But the block number in the tar output corresponds in 512 B blocksize, despite blocking factor giving 64 kiB blocksize (128 * 512).



And then, regardless of blocksize of the mt command (variable, 64 kiB).



The goal would to random access in the Tar-tape. Convert 64 kiB blocksize to 512 implies to trim.



Is there a way to matching records size of tar and mt ?










share|improve this question
















The 64 kiB blocksize is to maximize throughput and avoid "shoe shining".



mt -f /dev/nst0 setblk 64k

tar -c -v -R -b128 -f /dev/nst0 test_dir


returns:



bloc 0 : test_dir/
bloc 1 : test_dir/file_1.bin
bloc 204802 : test_dir/file_2.bin
bloc 2252803 : test_dir/file_3.bin
bloc 4300804 : test_dir/file_4.bin
...


But the block number in the tar output corresponds in 512 B blocksize, despite blocking factor giving 64 kiB blocksize (128 * 512).



And then, regardless of blocksize of the mt command (variable, 64 kiB).



The goal would to random access in the Tar-tape. Convert 64 kiB blocksize to 512 implies to trim.



Is there a way to matching records size of tar and mt ?







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  • Excerpts of man pages of st command (more detailed as mt) : italic_Many programs (e.g., tar(1)) allow the user to specify the blocking factor on the command line. Note that this determines the physical block size on tape only in variable-block mode._italic

    – idrevettenome
    Sep 25 '15 at 13:56













  • But as I mentioned above, I tried with mt -f /dev/nst0 setblk 0. Viewed on forum : italic_tar/dd/whatever blocksize != (SCSI) tape device driver block _italic ([linuxmisc.com/14-unix-administering/b290ded6513059e2.htm])

    – idrevettenome
    Sep 25 '15 at 14:05



















  • Excerpts of man pages of st command (more detailed as mt) : italic_Many programs (e.g., tar(1)) allow the user to specify the blocking factor on the command line. Note that this determines the physical block size on tape only in variable-block mode._italic

    – idrevettenome
    Sep 25 '15 at 13:56













  • But as I mentioned above, I tried with mt -f /dev/nst0 setblk 0. Viewed on forum : italic_tar/dd/whatever blocksize != (SCSI) tape device driver block _italic ([linuxmisc.com/14-unix-administering/b290ded6513059e2.htm])

    – idrevettenome
    Sep 25 '15 at 14:05

















Excerpts of man pages of st command (more detailed as mt) : italic_Many programs (e.g., tar(1)) allow the user to specify the blocking factor on the command line. Note that this determines the physical block size on tape only in variable-block mode._italic

– idrevettenome
Sep 25 '15 at 13:56







Excerpts of man pages of st command (more detailed as mt) : italic_Many programs (e.g., tar(1)) allow the user to specify the blocking factor on the command line. Note that this determines the physical block size on tape only in variable-block mode._italic

– idrevettenome
Sep 25 '15 at 13:56















But as I mentioned above, I tried with mt -f /dev/nst0 setblk 0. Viewed on forum : italic_tar/dd/whatever blocksize != (SCSI) tape device driver block _italic ([linuxmisc.com/14-unix-administering/b290ded6513059e2.htm])

– idrevettenome
Sep 25 '15 at 14:05





But as I mentioned above, I tried with mt -f /dev/nst0 setblk 0. Viewed on forum : italic_tar/dd/whatever blocksize != (SCSI) tape device driver block _italic ([linuxmisc.com/14-unix-administering/b290ded6513059e2.htm])

– idrevettenome
Sep 25 '15 at 14:05










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UPDATE: Arg! So much for tests. Just did a full backup and tar with its default block/record size ran about 25% slower. So I'm back to using -b2048. Will try -b1024 and see how it goes.



Okay, just ran some tests. My advice is to set the tape block size to 0 (variable) and choose a tar block/record of your choice. I tested using a tape block size of 1M and 512K with matching tar record sizes (-b2048=1M -b1024=512K) and then I set the tape block size to 0 and tested using tar -b2048 and -b1024 and there was no difference. Then I ran a test with 'setblk 0' again but with a default tar block size of 512 (no -bxxxx in other words) for total record length of 10240 bytes and still no difference in performance.



I'm using a Quantum LTO-5. As long as you're substantially above 512 bytes (the LTO-5 default, I believe) you should be okay and it's unlikely you will experience any shoe-shining. IMO, the only reason to set the drive block size (instead of variable) is when its ignoring the software block size (record size in case of tar).



Note: the default block size for tar is 512 bytes x 20 for a total "record size" of 10240 bytes. Btw, my tests all finished within 12 seconds which totals ~141,000,000 bytes / second, the LTO-5 max throughput.






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    My results with --blocking-factor using tar to tape on multiple 200 to 300 GB size tar archives.




    • --blocking-factor 256 throughput 62 to 68 MiB/sec.


    • --blocking-factor 1024 throughput 87 MiB/sec.



    I intend to do more experimentation with even larger blocking factors.



    Above obtained with default hardware block size (I think variable) and no compression.



    My equipment listed below:




    • HP EH958B StorageWorks Ultrium 3000 LTO-5 1.5/3TB SAS (Serial Attached SCSI) Half-Height External Tape Drive LTO5


    • TDK LTO-5 Ultrium Data Cartridge 1.5 TB / 3.0 TB LTO Ultrium-5 Tape


    • ATTO Technology ExpressSAS H680 PCIe 2.0 Low Profile 6Gb/s SAS HBA Card (External Ports) P/N: ESAS-H680-000







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      UPDATE: Arg! So much for tests. Just did a full backup and tar with its default block/record size ran about 25% slower. So I'm back to using -b2048. Will try -b1024 and see how it goes.



      Okay, just ran some tests. My advice is to set the tape block size to 0 (variable) and choose a tar block/record of your choice. I tested using a tape block size of 1M and 512K with matching tar record sizes (-b2048=1M -b1024=512K) and then I set the tape block size to 0 and tested using tar -b2048 and -b1024 and there was no difference. Then I ran a test with 'setblk 0' again but with a default tar block size of 512 (no -bxxxx in other words) for total record length of 10240 bytes and still no difference in performance.



      I'm using a Quantum LTO-5. As long as you're substantially above 512 bytes (the LTO-5 default, I believe) you should be okay and it's unlikely you will experience any shoe-shining. IMO, the only reason to set the drive block size (instead of variable) is when its ignoring the software block size (record size in case of tar).



      Note: the default block size for tar is 512 bytes x 20 for a total "record size" of 10240 bytes. Btw, my tests all finished within 12 seconds which totals ~141,000,000 bytes / second, the LTO-5 max throughput.






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        UPDATE: Arg! So much for tests. Just did a full backup and tar with its default block/record size ran about 25% slower. So I'm back to using -b2048. Will try -b1024 and see how it goes.



        Okay, just ran some tests. My advice is to set the tape block size to 0 (variable) and choose a tar block/record of your choice. I tested using a tape block size of 1M and 512K with matching tar record sizes (-b2048=1M -b1024=512K) and then I set the tape block size to 0 and tested using tar -b2048 and -b1024 and there was no difference. Then I ran a test with 'setblk 0' again but with a default tar block size of 512 (no -bxxxx in other words) for total record length of 10240 bytes and still no difference in performance.



        I'm using a Quantum LTO-5. As long as you're substantially above 512 bytes (the LTO-5 default, I believe) you should be okay and it's unlikely you will experience any shoe-shining. IMO, the only reason to set the drive block size (instead of variable) is when its ignoring the software block size (record size in case of tar).



        Note: the default block size for tar is 512 bytes x 20 for a total "record size" of 10240 bytes. Btw, my tests all finished within 12 seconds which totals ~141,000,000 bytes / second, the LTO-5 max throughput.






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          UPDATE: Arg! So much for tests. Just did a full backup and tar with its default block/record size ran about 25% slower. So I'm back to using -b2048. Will try -b1024 and see how it goes.



          Okay, just ran some tests. My advice is to set the tape block size to 0 (variable) and choose a tar block/record of your choice. I tested using a tape block size of 1M and 512K with matching tar record sizes (-b2048=1M -b1024=512K) and then I set the tape block size to 0 and tested using tar -b2048 and -b1024 and there was no difference. Then I ran a test with 'setblk 0' again but with a default tar block size of 512 (no -bxxxx in other words) for total record length of 10240 bytes and still no difference in performance.



          I'm using a Quantum LTO-5. As long as you're substantially above 512 bytes (the LTO-5 default, I believe) you should be okay and it's unlikely you will experience any shoe-shining. IMO, the only reason to set the drive block size (instead of variable) is when its ignoring the software block size (record size in case of tar).



          Note: the default block size for tar is 512 bytes x 20 for a total "record size" of 10240 bytes. Btw, my tests all finished within 12 seconds which totals ~141,000,000 bytes / second, the LTO-5 max throughput.






          share|improve this answer















          UPDATE: Arg! So much for tests. Just did a full backup and tar with its default block/record size ran about 25% slower. So I'm back to using -b2048. Will try -b1024 and see how it goes.



          Okay, just ran some tests. My advice is to set the tape block size to 0 (variable) and choose a tar block/record of your choice. I tested using a tape block size of 1M and 512K with matching tar record sizes (-b2048=1M -b1024=512K) and then I set the tape block size to 0 and tested using tar -b2048 and -b1024 and there was no difference. Then I ran a test with 'setblk 0' again but with a default tar block size of 512 (no -bxxxx in other words) for total record length of 10240 bytes and still no difference in performance.



          I'm using a Quantum LTO-5. As long as you're substantially above 512 bytes (the LTO-5 default, I believe) you should be okay and it's unlikely you will experience any shoe-shining. IMO, the only reason to set the drive block size (instead of variable) is when its ignoring the software block size (record size in case of tar).



          Note: the default block size for tar is 512 bytes x 20 for a total "record size" of 10240 bytes. Btw, my tests all finished within 12 seconds which totals ~141,000,000 bytes / second, the LTO-5 max throughput.







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              My results with --blocking-factor using tar to tape on multiple 200 to 300 GB size tar archives.




              • --blocking-factor 256 throughput 62 to 68 MiB/sec.


              • --blocking-factor 1024 throughput 87 MiB/sec.



              I intend to do more experimentation with even larger blocking factors.



              Above obtained with default hardware block size (I think variable) and no compression.



              My equipment listed below:




              • HP EH958B StorageWorks Ultrium 3000 LTO-5 1.5/3TB SAS (Serial Attached SCSI) Half-Height External Tape Drive LTO5


              • TDK LTO-5 Ultrium Data Cartridge 1.5 TB / 3.0 TB LTO Ultrium-5 Tape


              • ATTO Technology ExpressSAS H680 PCIe 2.0 Low Profile 6Gb/s SAS HBA Card (External Ports) P/N: ESAS-H680-000







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                My results with --blocking-factor using tar to tape on multiple 200 to 300 GB size tar archives.




                • --blocking-factor 256 throughput 62 to 68 MiB/sec.


                • --blocking-factor 1024 throughput 87 MiB/sec.



                I intend to do more experimentation with even larger blocking factors.



                Above obtained with default hardware block size (I think variable) and no compression.



                My equipment listed below:




                • HP EH958B StorageWorks Ultrium 3000 LTO-5 1.5/3TB SAS (Serial Attached SCSI) Half-Height External Tape Drive LTO5


                • TDK LTO-5 Ultrium Data Cartridge 1.5 TB / 3.0 TB LTO Ultrium-5 Tape


                • ATTO Technology ExpressSAS H680 PCIe 2.0 Low Profile 6Gb/s SAS HBA Card (External Ports) P/N: ESAS-H680-000







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                  My results with --blocking-factor using tar to tape on multiple 200 to 300 GB size tar archives.




                  • --blocking-factor 256 throughput 62 to 68 MiB/sec.


                  • --blocking-factor 1024 throughput 87 MiB/sec.



                  I intend to do more experimentation with even larger blocking factors.



                  Above obtained with default hardware block size (I think variable) and no compression.



                  My equipment listed below:




                  • HP EH958B StorageWorks Ultrium 3000 LTO-5 1.5/3TB SAS (Serial Attached SCSI) Half-Height External Tape Drive LTO5


                  • TDK LTO-5 Ultrium Data Cartridge 1.5 TB / 3.0 TB LTO Ultrium-5 Tape


                  • ATTO Technology ExpressSAS H680 PCIe 2.0 Low Profile 6Gb/s SAS HBA Card (External Ports) P/N: ESAS-H680-000







                  share|improve this answer















                  My results with --blocking-factor using tar to tape on multiple 200 to 300 GB size tar archives.




                  • --blocking-factor 256 throughput 62 to 68 MiB/sec.


                  • --blocking-factor 1024 throughput 87 MiB/sec.



                  I intend to do more experimentation with even larger blocking factors.



                  Above obtained with default hardware block size (I think variable) and no compression.



                  My equipment listed below:




                  • HP EH958B StorageWorks Ultrium 3000 LTO-5 1.5/3TB SAS (Serial Attached SCSI) Half-Height External Tape Drive LTO5


                  • TDK LTO-5 Ultrium Data Cartridge 1.5 TB / 3.0 TB LTO Ultrium-5 Tape


                  • ATTO Technology ExpressSAS H680 PCIe 2.0 Low Profile 6Gb/s SAS HBA Card (External Ports) P/N: ESAS-H680-000








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