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I see people connect to a "well connected" node on LN and by that they mean they connect to a node with lots of channels. The number of channels is actually a contra-indicator of a node's ability to route. Good routers curate and balance. Bad routers spam the open channel button. [Emphasis added]




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    I see people connect to a "well connected" node on LN and by that they mean they connect to a node with lots of channels. The number of channels is actually a contra-indicator of a node's ability to route. Good routers curate and balance. Bad routers spam the open channel button. [Emphasis added]




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      Alex Bosworth recently pointed out:




      I see people connect to a "well connected" node on LN and by that they mean they connect to a node with lots of channels. The number of channels is actually a contra-indicator of a node's ability to route. Good routers curate and balance. Bad routers spam the open channel button. [Emphasis added]




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      I see people connect to a "well connected" node on LN and by that they mean they connect to a node with lots of channels. The number of channels is actually a contra-indicator of a node's ability to route. Good routers curate and balance. Bad routers spam the open channel button. [Emphasis added]




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          I agree with Alex Bosworth and I have pointed this out about one year ago when I have filed an issue about the strategy used by the LND autopilot which basically looks for nodes with a high channel count. This is one of the reasons why I have created a standalone autopilot and provided an integration for c-lightning.



          There are several kind of information we can look at (my autopilot currently only looks at the first ones):




          1. Network topology:


            • How can I increase my centrality (e.g. by connecting to central nodes)

            • How can I increase my probability to have well funded routes by connecting to points where a lot of liquidity is floating around

            • Improve the network topology by increasing the amount of triangles

            • Geography: It is likely that you pay to services where you live and therefor you might want to connect to nodes that have a similar geoip as yours.



          2. Node Provenance / properties:


            • age of Node (seen by oldest channels)

            • age of channels (seen by the blockheight of funding transactions)

            • uptime of the node (can be tracked via the gossip messages and the gossip store)

            • Routing fees of the node

            • Reliability of the node to forward payments (can be tracked by doing fake 1 satoshi payments to yourself over different routes)




          most of the stuff that I mentioned here has been taken from my blog article about autopilots. In general I hope that better autopilots will emerge because I think this problem will be hard to decide by humans without investing a lot of time.



          Finally another strategy could be to create routing tables in a similar way as the border gateway protocol does on top of IP. In that case nodes would share partial information about the channel balance so that we would have a better overview of where liquidity is missing.






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            Here there are some properties:



            Node reliability: On-line connected 24/7.
            History: when the node came online for first time.
            Routing: How many channels has the node.
            Capacity: How much capacity can the handle through channels





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              I agree with Alex Bosworth and I have pointed this out about one year ago when I have filed an issue about the strategy used by the LND autopilot which basically looks for nodes with a high channel count. This is one of the reasons why I have created a standalone autopilot and provided an integration for c-lightning.



              There are several kind of information we can look at (my autopilot currently only looks at the first ones):




              1. Network topology:


                • How can I increase my centrality (e.g. by connecting to central nodes)

                • How can I increase my probability to have well funded routes by connecting to points where a lot of liquidity is floating around

                • Improve the network topology by increasing the amount of triangles

                • Geography: It is likely that you pay to services where you live and therefor you might want to connect to nodes that have a similar geoip as yours.



              2. Node Provenance / properties:


                • age of Node (seen by oldest channels)

                • age of channels (seen by the blockheight of funding transactions)

                • uptime of the node (can be tracked via the gossip messages and the gossip store)

                • Routing fees of the node

                • Reliability of the node to forward payments (can be tracked by doing fake 1 satoshi payments to yourself over different routes)




              most of the stuff that I mentioned here has been taken from my blog article about autopilots. In general I hope that better autopilots will emerge because I think this problem will be hard to decide by humans without investing a lot of time.



              Finally another strategy could be to create routing tables in a similar way as the border gateway protocol does on top of IP. In that case nodes would share partial information about the channel balance so that we would have a better overview of where liquidity is missing.






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                I agree with Alex Bosworth and I have pointed this out about one year ago when I have filed an issue about the strategy used by the LND autopilot which basically looks for nodes with a high channel count. This is one of the reasons why I have created a standalone autopilot and provided an integration for c-lightning.



                There are several kind of information we can look at (my autopilot currently only looks at the first ones):




                1. Network topology:


                  • How can I increase my centrality (e.g. by connecting to central nodes)

                  • How can I increase my probability to have well funded routes by connecting to points where a lot of liquidity is floating around

                  • Improve the network topology by increasing the amount of triangles

                  • Geography: It is likely that you pay to services where you live and therefor you might want to connect to nodes that have a similar geoip as yours.



                2. Node Provenance / properties:


                  • age of Node (seen by oldest channels)

                  • age of channels (seen by the blockheight of funding transactions)

                  • uptime of the node (can be tracked via the gossip messages and the gossip store)

                  • Routing fees of the node

                  • Reliability of the node to forward payments (can be tracked by doing fake 1 satoshi payments to yourself over different routes)




                most of the stuff that I mentioned here has been taken from my blog article about autopilots. In general I hope that better autopilots will emerge because I think this problem will be hard to decide by humans without investing a lot of time.



                Finally another strategy could be to create routing tables in a similar way as the border gateway protocol does on top of IP. In that case nodes would share partial information about the channel balance so that we would have a better overview of where liquidity is missing.






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                  I agree with Alex Bosworth and I have pointed this out about one year ago when I have filed an issue about the strategy used by the LND autopilot which basically looks for nodes with a high channel count. This is one of the reasons why I have created a standalone autopilot and provided an integration for c-lightning.



                  There are several kind of information we can look at (my autopilot currently only looks at the first ones):




                  1. Network topology:


                    • How can I increase my centrality (e.g. by connecting to central nodes)

                    • How can I increase my probability to have well funded routes by connecting to points where a lot of liquidity is floating around

                    • Improve the network topology by increasing the amount of triangles

                    • Geography: It is likely that you pay to services where you live and therefor you might want to connect to nodes that have a similar geoip as yours.



                  2. Node Provenance / properties:


                    • age of Node (seen by oldest channels)

                    • age of channels (seen by the blockheight of funding transactions)

                    • uptime of the node (can be tracked via the gossip messages and the gossip store)

                    • Routing fees of the node

                    • Reliability of the node to forward payments (can be tracked by doing fake 1 satoshi payments to yourself over different routes)




                  most of the stuff that I mentioned here has been taken from my blog article about autopilots. In general I hope that better autopilots will emerge because I think this problem will be hard to decide by humans without investing a lot of time.



                  Finally another strategy could be to create routing tables in a similar way as the border gateway protocol does on top of IP. In that case nodes would share partial information about the channel balance so that we would have a better overview of where liquidity is missing.






                  share|improve this answer












                  I agree with Alex Bosworth and I have pointed this out about one year ago when I have filed an issue about the strategy used by the LND autopilot which basically looks for nodes with a high channel count. This is one of the reasons why I have created a standalone autopilot and provided an integration for c-lightning.



                  There are several kind of information we can look at (my autopilot currently only looks at the first ones):




                  1. Network topology:


                    • How can I increase my centrality (e.g. by connecting to central nodes)

                    • How can I increase my probability to have well funded routes by connecting to points where a lot of liquidity is floating around

                    • Improve the network topology by increasing the amount of triangles

                    • Geography: It is likely that you pay to services where you live and therefor you might want to connect to nodes that have a similar geoip as yours.



                  2. Node Provenance / properties:


                    • age of Node (seen by oldest channels)

                    • age of channels (seen by the blockheight of funding transactions)

                    • uptime of the node (can be tracked via the gossip messages and the gossip store)

                    • Routing fees of the node

                    • Reliability of the node to forward payments (can be tracked by doing fake 1 satoshi payments to yourself over different routes)




                  most of the stuff that I mentioned here has been taken from my blog article about autopilots. In general I hope that better autopilots will emerge because I think this problem will be hard to decide by humans without investing a lot of time.



                  Finally another strategy could be to create routing tables in a similar way as the border gateway protocol does on top of IP. In that case nodes would share partial information about the channel balance so that we would have a better overview of where liquidity is missing.







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                      Here there are some properties:



                      Node reliability: On-line connected 24/7.
                      History: when the node came online for first time.
                      Routing: How many channels has the node.
                      Capacity: How much capacity can the handle through channels





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                        Here there are some properties:



                        Node reliability: On-line connected 24/7.
                        History: when the node came online for first time.
                        Routing: How many channels has the node.
                        Capacity: How much capacity can the handle through channels





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                          Here there are some properties:



                          Node reliability: On-line connected 24/7.
                          History: when the node came online for first time.
                          Routing: How many channels has the node.
                          Capacity: How much capacity can the handle through channels





                          share|improve this answer










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                          Here there are some properties:



                          Node reliability: On-line connected 24/7.
                          History: when the node came online for first time.
                          Routing: How many channels has the node.
                          Capacity: How much capacity can the handle through channels






                          share|improve this answer










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